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Op-ed: The Weird Relationship Between Mormons and Marriage

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“WHERE BORN AN A-HOLE OR DID ”

Since: Mar 14

YOU WORK AT IT YOUR WHOLE LIFE

#359 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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No one asked the government to make "equal winners" out of everyone and you have the objective trends of the past four decades exactly backwards.
More concentration of wealth. Less income class mobility.
As usual, the tee baggrz and fox viewers get everything exactly reversed in their service of ideology.
I never watch Fox news. Never will. Move to the EU and trade your freedom for security if that's what you want.
INFIDEL

Socorro, NM

#360 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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Get used to being marginalized by educated society, you stupid bigot.
And the next time you want to deny that you posted anti glbt invective then don't explain why you posted anti glbt invective right in your denial, Cletus, you cretin.
From my post...

"I know both homosexuals and heterosexuals who are righteous as well as those who are vile and abusive."

You seem to believe the old lie. He who is not with us is against us... I am neither with the gay rights movement nor against it. I speak ill of every organized group of zealots.

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#361 Mar 3, 2014
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>US in most metrics one would use to determine a nations success or failure...
A lot of that starts at home, unfortunately. It's not something the government can fix with $$:

"The U.S. ranks fifth in spending per student. Only Austria, Luxembourg, Norway, and Switzerland spend more per student."

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/...

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#363 Mar 3, 2014
Scarbelly Bob wrote:
When I was young and they packed me off to school
and taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
or if they said that I was a fool.
So I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
and have all the bishops harmonize these lines
how do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
when that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me - compose a better song
`cos that's the honest measure of my worth.
In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
as you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
__________
By the way dude, you never answered my question...are you a Jack...I am
That was by Jethro Tull.

It's considered PLAGIARISM to not cite the source of a quotation.

“WHERE BORN AN A-HOLE OR DID ”

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#365 Mar 3, 2014
concerned poster wrote:
<quoted text>No, slavery is slavery. Government programs are for the benefit of society. Come on now- "slavery"?!
Yes you are slave to the state. It doesn't benefit society, it locks in into dependence that is the whole goal.. don't question Big Brother. Big Brother benefits you. Big Brother provides for you. Big Brother keeps you safe. Do for Big Brother and Big Brother does for you. Government shouldn't take over for your parents after you turn 18. You should.

“WHERE BORN AN A-HOLE OR DID ”

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#367 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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You just described the US, moron.
Countries in the EU have demonstrably more equal distributions of wealth and demonstrably more opportunity for income advancement relative to one's parents.
The EU is pure filth. So is the UN.... EU is not working out at all.
People need to learn to live within their means.

“WHERE BORN AN A-HOLE OR DID ”

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#368 Mar 3, 2014
Want to really help people and society? Start with eliminating property tax for homeowners. Stop letting the government charge you rent on your own house and steal it when the taxes get raised beyond your means.. That is the ultimate unfairness in this country.

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#369 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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You just described the US, moron.
Countries in the EU have demonstrably more equal distributions of wealth and demonstrably more opportunity for income advancement relative to one's parents.
That's exactly what I said. Everyone is stuck with more equal and by that I mean equal mediocrity.

The cost of living is so high and taxes are so high, even if you are making 25k more than someone, it doesn't go very far by the time the government takes it's cut and you are stuck paying $8 for a gallon of gas. I've been there. It's expensive. Have you traveled over there?
concerned poster

Hoffman Estates, IL

#370 Mar 3, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
In many socialist countries, you will still have a handful of folks with ridiculous amounts of wealth and some who own businesses with wealth, even if not ridiculous. Then you have nearly everyone else who is pretty much stuck at the same level, because the taxes and cost of living are so high.
In a socialist utopia, with very high taxes and a very high cost of living, the house painter doesn't make that much less than the engineer with a masters degree. If you are a house painter, it sounds like an ideal situation. If you are the engineer with a masters degree, you are like eff that. Everyone, except the super wealthy and some business owners are trapped at pretty much the same economic level and there is almost no chance to move ahead to any significant degree, unless you are one of the very lucky few who become super wealthy or you start a business of your own and are lucky enough to succeed.
Many folks would rather have more opportunity at the cost of less equality and the loss of opportunity that comes with that.
You said "utopia". Would Sweden be a "socialist utopia"? Could a person work for a Swedish car company and not only have the freedom to post on the internet all day (for example) and get raises for this, while others at the same company are working? Or is that just a capitalist thing?

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#371 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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As you would know if you had a mind, that is not the story.
The story is that a lot of money gets spent per pupil in wealthy public school districts, and much less in less wealthy neighborhoods.
That is a major way concentration of wealth and concentration of opportunity is maintained in the US.
Tee baggrz can't fathom "data" however. They tend to think the earth is under 10000 years old, for example. Because jaysus told them.
There is very little correlation to spending and success.

Utah spends the least per student out of any state and they are slightly above the u.s. average for math on standardized tests.

DC spends the the most on students and they are the worst in most aspects:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/d.c.-schools-ou...

You live in an alternative reality. I bet you a lot of Asian countries spend less than even utah per student and they still kick our a$ses.

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#374 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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No cretin, it is most of all the changes in income tax policy over the past 40 years which have concentrated wealth in the US to an unprecedented degree in comparison to other industrialized, Western democracies.
Same for the way public schools are funded - that keeps people in the income strata they were born into, as a matter of statistics.
The EU has problems, of course, many related to its lack of natural resources compared to the US. But on the basic metrics of who can get ahead, get a vacation, have medical care, get higher education, there is no question that the quality of life on average is much higher for the average person in the EU than in the US.
But again, this is all data, and mouthbreathing tee baggrz and fundies and oligarchs and apologists for oligarchs and illiterates don't do data.
You keep arguing the same thing, and Iím agreeing with you. Everyone gets average, tho. IF someone wants more than average in EU, good look to you. Iíd much rather be in the top 75% of earners in the U.S. than in Europe. The top 25% of earners in the U.S. are making nearly figures or more, and they are sure as shyte taking home more of that money than the top 25% of any country you are talking about. I want to live in a country were that is attainable. I donít want to live in a country where only the top 5-10% get to live like that, because the rest of the people are dragged down by high taxes and a high cost of living. Thatís a great deal for the person who works at Arbyís Ö itís a crap deal for the engineer with a masters degree.

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#375 Mar 3, 2014
I mean top 25% of earners in the U.S. than in Europe, not 75%
The Troll Stopper

Blacksburg, VA

#376 Mar 3, 2014
Wow, I see this thread sure got dragged way off topic.

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#377 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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Oh good, then you're arguing that public school spending should be equivalent per pupil the country over.
Except you are not, and neither is most anyone living in a wealthy school district and neither is the right wing. Because we _know_ where underfunded, public schools tend to be. Not in Scardale.
There are also other factors, it is true, but the concentration of wealth and the concentration of resources necessary to have a reasonable chance of success could not be more clear.
That's why tee baggrz like to deny it.
I didn't grow up in a wealthy school district. My high school was 60 or 80 years old. I do far better than average. My folks didn't grow up in a wealthy school district and my father did far better than average.

I actually just found an old article for my school district that was dated 2 years after I graduated high school and it said my district, at that time, spent less per student than the average for the state of IL.

I don't buy it. It doesn't take money to read and study. It takes effort.

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#378 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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Oh good, then you're arguing that public school spending should be equivalent per pupil the country over.
Except you are not, and neither is most anyone living in a wealthy school district and neither is the right wing. Because we _know_ where underfunded, public schools tend to be. Not in Scardale.
No, I want better than that. I want my kids school district to spend the same amount per pupil that the DC school district spends on their kids. It isn't going to happen. My children will still do well and far better than the average kid in the DC school district, which right there pretty much blows your whole argument out of the water.

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#379 Mar 3, 2014
OMFG! My kids school district spends less than half what DC spends per pupil!!!!

And despite this, I can guarantee my kids will out perform the average student in DC. HOW? CAN? THAT? BE? IF? IT? IS? ALL? ABOUT?$$$????

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#382 Mar 3, 2014
snyper wrote:
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That was by Jethro Tull.
It's considered PLAGIARISM to not cite the source of a quotation.
Well excuse the hell outa me...

Jethro Tull ~ Wind Up



Happy now?

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#383 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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We are not agreeing, you smug, disingenuous moron.
What you "want" has nothing to do with the facts I have laid out.
Of course you'd rather be in a top percentile in the US than in the EU, which I gather is what you were sputtering to say. You love the more concentrated wealth and concentrated opportunity here, and would like to be one of the beneficiaries of the oligarchy. That is the whole point.
This all debunks your complete misstatement out of trolling or out of stupidity that it's these Western socialist countries which concentrate wealth and opportunity. As I said, you got it exactly backwards. The way tee baggrz and fundies always do.
You seem to have confused opportunity with mediocrity.

If you live in America and are working, there is about a 1/4 chance your family is taking home over 100k. That's opportunity.

IMO, that's much preferable to a system where you stand a very limited chance of making that much money, but fast food workers and college professors get to live nearly the same mediocre quality of life and go on the same sorts of vacations. That's mediocrity.

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#385 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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You are not data. You are anecdotal. What you so ignorantly post about long ago has nothing to do with the simple facts I have related to you about trends in the US over the past four decades relative to how the EU is set up.
You are too stupid and too disingenuous to grasp any of the above, however.
I gave you anecdotal as well as data, dum, dum. Did you not see the article I posted that had data on DC or did you block that out because it wasn't consistent with your socialist views?

DC is right near the top in spending per pupil in the country and have among the worst scores! Iím sorry I destroyed your whole socialist world view with one article, but you donít have to get all angry about it.

Here it is again. Ask someone to read it to you and if you need any help interpreting it, I'm here for you:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/d.c.-schools-ou...

I also mentioned Utah spending the least per student and being right around average in terms of math scores.

If what you say is true, DC should be at the top and Utah should be at the bottom. Seems to me, the data supports what I initially said, which is that there is very little correlation between spending and student achievement.

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#388 Mar 3, 2014
Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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First, you don't give "anecdotal." You are uneducated. You don't know what you're saying, and this will complicate explaining anything to you.
Yeah, I can give you an anecdotal. Have you never heard of an anecdotal account or anecdotal evidence? I can give or provide both of these. Now who is uneducated?

However, what I canít be is anecdotal, which is what you said I was. It's not possible to be a story or a 1st hand account. One can tell this or give someone such an account, but they cannot actually be the story or the account, dummkopf.

Boy did that one back fire on ya.

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