Op-ed: The Weird Relationship Between Mormons and Marriage

Feb 24, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Advocate

Earlier this month, the U.S. government expanded recognition of same-sex marriages in federal legal matters.

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Lawrence Wolf wrote:
And another question. If people had free will, why in the hell would they choose to join the Tea Party, and become marionettes for The Great Stromboli?
LOL

You would have to ask someone from the Tea Party that question.

Do you not believe we have free will?

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<quoted text>We believe that God offers continuing revelation, not that he made a mistake. A prophet is chosen through revelation and prayer.
so he changes his mind...goos to know...and an infallible god who is supposedly omnipotent and has a grand plan allset out for the universe right up until revelation would need to change his mind ....why? just one more theological conundrum for you and your 'scholars' to think about....

yeah....

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"Prophets" are not chosen through any human agency.
yes, in fact, it has been proven they are...no divine choice involved, just those able to gather a big enough and gfullible enough following. can be prophets.

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Perhaps you should go back and re-read starting at page one.
As you are once again wrong and have proven nothing.
You are always claiming "Proven Fact" but show nothing to support your claims.
Since the entire Bible (take your pick) was written and translated by man, there is where the problem lies, with man.
I am sure you can find many discrepancies in the Bible, but God didn't write it.
Man is fallible, he makes mistakes, and all too often he gets it wrong.
The only things I need concern myself with are God's laws. Not stories of our creation.
You cannot disprove God.
You cannot disprove God created the Heavens and Earth.
You cannot disprove God created all life on Earth.
i already covered this,(preemptively , as i knew your pathetic level of theology would bring it up...and shown you how that argument doesn't work...you should actually read , then post...or learn, then post, it would save further embarrassment such as this...

i, and thousands of others. can certainly prove that the god the bible attempted to create does not exist. just as all others gods created by man (thor, zeus, the corn twins, spider woman, saturn, the great turtle mother sky, father earth)do not exist. why would you expect the god of your cult to be different? do you have any factual proof of its existence beyond that of any other cult's created god, gods or goddesses? i thought not...

you might take a lesson in the fact that i totally preemptively destroyed your argument..kind of like dealing with a pesky mosquito...

you are not up to this level of theological discussion, not even close. go back to your sunday school teacher ahd see if you can get a refund.....

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not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text> Does it? I believe in a loving God. The greatest commandment we have been given is to love one another.
Your argument is senseless. Lets use Charles Manson for example. He isn't Christian. He does not subscribe to the beliefs of Christians. So what stands in his way of being a good person?
how could a loving god condone slavery? yours clearly did...he did sway to treat them nice but he clearly said you could OWN another human..and you worship a god like that? one that tells you to subjugate women...you mormons still hold onto that..women are not equal to men in the eyes of the mormon version of god...What fun!!!

and the whole killing of those who do not believe as you do...yes, your god... the same god the muslims believe in the abrahamic god. the vile, petty, vindictive little prick of the bible that would be in jail if he were real and in this nation today...

yeah....real loving god you have there in your little cult...

go with that god, dear...
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i already covered this,(preemptively , as i knew your pathetic level of theology would bring it up...and shown you how that argument doesn't work...you should actually read , then post...or learn, then post, it would save further embarrassment such as this...
i, and thousands of others. can certainly prove that the god the bible attempted to create does not exist. just as all others gods created by man (thor, zeus, the corn twins, spider woman, saturn, the great turtle mother sky, father earth)do not exist. why would you expect the god of your cult to be different? do you have any factual proof of its existence beyond that of any other cult's created god, gods or goddesses? i thought not...
you might take a lesson in the fact that i totally preemptively destroyed your argument..kind of like dealing with a pesky mosquito...
you are not up to this level of theological discussion, not even close. go back to your sunday school teacher ahd see if you can get a refund.....
You win, I am debating with an idiot and am getting out before I am brought down to your level.

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You win, I am debating with an idiot and am getting out before I am brought down to your level.
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no dear, you are making the smart choice and running away when you are obviously proven wrong.

well the real smart thing and the real adult thing would be to admit you are wrong, but i knew that wouldn't happen...you never struck me a person of character. why would you buy into such a shitty cult with such crappy morals of you had any character?

run along now, little cultie...you now know your place...stay there...

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You win, I am debating with an idiot and am getting out before I am brought down to your level.
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sweetie, did you think i didn't notice, or anyone reading this, that you couldn't even ATTEMPT to counter my facts? not even a try? yeah....

run along now...scamper away...

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<quoted text>The government is not their to create jobs or pay anyones bills. That is what totalitarian governments do... The government is the #1 reason our jobs have been destroyed..
You evidently didn't understand my reply. I won't try again.

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LOL
You would have to ask someone from the Tea Party that question.
Do you not believe we have free will?
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Within limits.
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Lawrence Wolf wrote:
Within limits.
LOL

Well....yeah.....

I am married.

Not sure what your limits are.
But I believe we all set our own limits.

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Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>You evidently didn't understand my reply. I won't try again.
I understood it perfectly. I just to put as much faith,trust, or need in government as you do. I don't expect the same things out of it as you do.

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Well....yeah.....
I am married.
Not sure what your limits are.
But I believe we all set our own limits.
4446
Or at least we have the illusion of setting our own limits.
I'm married too. My wife, two sons, one dog, one wolf, and five cats all have a role in my limits. But I wouldn't want it any other way.

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<quoted text>No the government is not their to keep you safe or provide anything for you. It is on;ly supposed to uphold freedom and liberty for it's citizens. Everything else is up to you as a free person.
Progressivism is Totalitarianism.
Well that takes care of just about all the laws we have on the books, an all the social programs.
Say hello to all your bunker mates.

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<quoted text>Obama the Messiah?? No..... Pied Piper of Fools is more like it.
More "fools" than ignorant quadrupeds right now.

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<quoted text> Well that takes care of just about all the laws we have on the books, an all the social programs.
Say hello to all your bunker mates.
Will do Comrade.

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<quoted text>yes, in fact, it has been proven they are...no divine choice involved, just those able to gather a big enough and gfullible enough following. can be prophets.
No shyte!

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When I was young and they packed me off to school
and taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
or if they said that I was a fool.
So I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
and have all the bishops harmonize these lines
how do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
when that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me - compose a better song
`cos that's the honest measure of my worth.
In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
as you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
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By the way dude, you never answered my question...are you a Jack...I am

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<quoted text>I understood it perfectly. I just to put as much faith,trust, or need in government as you do. I don't expect the same things out of it as you do.
I don't think anyone loves the government, but it still works oddly well. There aren't starving masses dying in the streets, most people can find some sort of work - at least enough to survive. There are still amazing opportunities for people to excel. Our standard of living is good - we consider a person with one older car and a "dumb phone" to be poor.

It would be nice if less government and taxes were the key to an even better life, but it just doesn't work that way, not with the ever expanding population, and the complexity of issues we face, from innovation, to education, the environment, and our competitiveness in the world.

Sadly, far fewer rules would mean chaos at this point, and there are far to many of us to go back to the wild west. We can't go back to a farming/hunting economy. And, history has proven that we cannot trust big business to make all it's own rules. There needs to be some sort of central playing field - and that's the government.

I want to stay alive, thank you, and have some hope that my kids will live in a world that is not too poisoned for survival, and where literal survival of the fittest is the norm. If someone comes up with a better plan, I'm open to hear it.

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<quoted text>Obama the Messiah?? No..... Pied Piper of Fools is more like it.
He is neither. He is simply one man, who worked hard and became President. He is no Messiah, and has never claimed to be.

I hear the same hatred toward him that I heard from Democrats for Bush. It's the same stuff.

And they BOTH have feet of clay because they are simply human, and not always right. But I think we have been fairly lucky with our Presidents, because it seems that most of them have been reasonably good men, who sincerely try to do what they believe is right for the country.

Even when they fail.

Can you imagine having a Stalin? Or even a Putin? So far, our system has avoided that.

Be grateful.

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