Unions NOW Mad About Obamacare
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#46 May 25, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Ha!!! SNL has a skit called "B1tch What's The Answer" and Jamie Foxx, who plays the gameshow host, is calling all the contestants B1tchs repeatedly.
See calling someone a b1tch Is FUNNY!
Winning!!!
DRINKING^^^^!!!

Bruh, seriously- give it up dude. It's wrong.

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#48 May 25, 2013
U r mad, rite?

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#52 May 28, 2013
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You're right, and unless you want handouts from the government or are super wealthy, I think you end up getting screwed regardless of who you elect.
I neither get handouts nor am I "super Wealthy." I do quite well - owing that to smart retirement planning when I was younger.

As for getting screwed, I'm just not ready to give the reigns to a businessman who can't make up their mind, with zero foriegn policy experience and very little business savy.

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#53 May 28, 2013
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I neither get handouts nor am I "super Wealthy." I do quite well - owing that to smart retirement planning when I was younger.
As for getting screwed, I'm just not ready to give the reigns to a businessman who can't make up their mind, with zero foriegn policy experience and very little business savy.
What I meant by that is no one represents middle class interests. Democrats represent the interests of those who want handouts and those who want to see an never ending increase in the level of government handouts. Republicans represent the interests of the super wealthy.

Republicans in the process of representing the interests of the super wealthy, claim to represent the middle class, but they lie because they merely toss the middle class a few pennies and those they really represent, the wealthy, get wheel barrels full of money. At least the middle class gets something, tho.

Democrats in the process of representing those who want handouts, say we just need to tax the super wealthy to pay for these things, but they lie because there aren't enough super wealthy to pay for all the things they want to do and there wasn't even enough of them to pay for all the things they have already promised, such as SS and Medicare.

For example, our existing SS and Medicare entitlement programs were already facing insolvency before Obamacare and taxes will need to be raised to fund these programs or benefits will have to be cut, precisely because the revenue sources used to partially fund Obamacare (and itís only partially funded Ö a lot will be added onto our debt Ö our children and grandchildren will pay for grown adults today to get free healthcare Ö we donít need to wait to see how Obamacare will play out to know this) was not instead used to put these other existing entitlement programs on a sustainable course. In that sense, democrats lied, when they said they could do Obamacare without raising taxes on anyone but the super wealthy (never mind the fact that they limited flex-spending contributions to 2.5k, which in effect raised taxes on anyone who would have contributed more).

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#54 May 28, 2013
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<quoted text>our children and grandchildren will pay for grown adults today to get free healthcare.
Who do you think paid for Medicare for our parents and grandparents before them?

You simply can't stop the natural progression of rising healthcare costs in America. Many have tried, not many have succeeded - if at all.

There is no happy median. People b!tched about the rising costs of healthcare back when Kennedy was in office. Back then, most hospitals took the uninsured in - unfortunately, it's not like that anymore. America has made drug companies and healthcare corporations rich over the course of the last 50 years. Everytime I pass by a McDonalds, I can just see those CEOs smiling and wringing their hands like Mr. Burns.

I don't rely on SS benefits - like I said, I planned for this. I knew back when I was in my thirties that SS would eventually go away. Who can retire on $900 a month anyways? Certainly not me.

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#55 May 28, 2013
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What I meant by that is no one represents middle class interests. Democrats represent the interests of those who want handouts and those who want to see an never ending increase in the level of government handouts. Republicans represent the interests of the super wealthy.
Truth be told, all I've heard over the last 10 years is the middle class complaining - yes, 10 years.

The middle class - born from the unions in Detroit. Making their $58/hour while sipping coffee and play cards for 8 hours a day. Buying houses on a 35-year mortgage based on how much overtime they make. Brand new cars, fancy-dancy vacations. And then...one day...POOF!!! No more overtime, layoffs, etc. The house goes into foreclosure. The bank comes and takes their cars away. Mom and Pop have to move into a double wide and blame their misfortunes on the government.

It's not rocket science to see the writing on the wall and realize you need to protect yourself for tougher times. If I could do it, certainly anybody else can.

If there's one thing I've learned in over three decades in manufacturing - it's you can't trust anybody but your own intuition.

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#56 May 28, 2013
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What I meant by that is no one represents middle class interests. Democrats represent the interests of those who want handouts and those who want to see an never ending increase in the level of government handouts. Republicans represent the interests of the super wealthy.
Republicans in the process of representing the interests of the super wealthy, claim to represent the middle class, but they lie because they merely toss the middle class a few pennies and those they really represent, the wealthy, get wheel barrels full of money. At least the middle class gets something, tho.
Democrats in the process of representing those who want handouts, say we just need to tax the super wealthy to pay for these things, but they lie because there aren't enough super wealthy to pay for all the things they want to do and there wasn't even enough of them to pay for all the things they have already promised, such as SS and Medicare.
For example, our existing SS and Medicare entitlement programs were already facing insolvency before Obamacare and taxes will need to be raised to fund these programs or benefits will have to be cut, precisely because the revenue sources used to partially fund Obamacare (and itís only partially funded Ö a lot will be added onto our debt Ö our children and grandchildren will pay for grown adults today to get free healthcare Ö we donít need to wait to see how Obamacare will play out to know this) was not instead used to put these other existing entitlement programs on a sustainable course. In that sense, democrats lied, when they said they could do Obamacare without raising taxes on anyone but the super wealthy (never mind the fact that they limited flex-spending contributions to 2.5k, which in effect raised taxes on anyone who would have contributed more).
Verbose but, better than your usual harassment of women.

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#58 May 28, 2013
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Who do you think paid for Medicare for our parents and grandparents before them?
Our children and grandchildren will get stuck paying for these same folks to be on Medicare when they retire and will be stuck paying off debt or paying interest on debt to provide them with a lifetime of free/subsidized healthcare during their working years.

The folks who paid for our grandparents did not also have to provide our grandparents with a lifetime free/subsidized healthcare during their working years.

Itís an additional burden imposed due to the never ending expansion of the welfare state. I can only imagine what the next wonderful welfare program will be that we absolutely must have and they will be saddled with paying for.

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#59 May 28, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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You simply can't stop the natural progression of rising healthcare costs in America. Many have tried, not many have succeeded - if at all.
Obamacare does almost nothing to lower costs. It primarily redistributes who will pay these costs. Even by the administrationís own admission, some folks will pay more and some will pay less (and I can point you to such statements Ö accordingly contrary to what some have said on here, we donít need to wait to see how it plays out).

Given the vested interest that the Obama administration has in making it look like a good piece of legislation, I have to believe that is a best case scenario, i.e. that some will pay more and some will pay less. The truth is likely not that good, would you not agree? I can also point to many examples of that being the case, and where folks premiums have already skyrocketed.

Also if rising healthcare costs are the problem, why not focus on why healthcare costs so much instead of focusing primarily on redistributing those costs across society, i.e. picking winners and losers? As I have said many times a good place to start would have been the pharmaceutical industry. We pay 3 times more on average than what Canadians and Germans pay for the same prescription drugs. Why? That is incredibly low hanging fruit.

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#60 May 28, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>There is no happy median. People b!tched about the rising costs of healthcare back when Kennedy was in office. Back then, most hospitals took the uninsured in - unfortunately, it's not like that anymore. America has made drug companies and healthcare corporations rich over the course of the last 50 years. Everytime I pass by a McDonalds, I can just see those CEOs smiling and wringing their hands like Mr. Burns.
The thing is far fewer folks would go to McDonalds if they had to raise prices to provide healthcare for their workers. Less of these folks would therefore have jobs. A value meal is what 6 bucks and some change. I can go to many a sit down restaurant and get a real burger for 8 bucks to eat there or via carryout. I certainly donít think it is out of the realm of possibility that McDonalds food would approach that amount if they also had to provide folks with insurance.

As I see it, McDonalds isnít a career outlet, unless you are a manager. If you set yourself up so all you can do is flip burgers at McDonalds, you suffer from delusions if you think you are going to be able to support yourself well, much less have a family. Thatís a job some high school kid should do or some SAHM, whose husband works full time and provides them with benefits should have.

A big thing I notice on the left is they thing the BIG problem is that certain jobs arenít paid like a skilled laborer is paid. As I see it, thatís not really the problem. You should know that if you are a cashier at Wal-Mart or a greeter and taking on some job that is more suitable for a high school kid or retiree looking to earn a little bit of spending money that you arenít going to be paid and given benefits commensurate with those of a skilled carpenter or a plumber. If you are one of these people, the problem is YOU and the fact that you aimed really low in life.

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#61 May 28, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>There I don't rely on SS benefits - like I said, I planned for this. I knew back when I was in my thirties that SS would eventually go away. Who can retire on $900 a month anyways? Certainly not me.
Iíll be lucky if I get any SS. They are already talking about means testing it and since I put away the equivalent of about 20-25% of what I take home into retirement, I doubt Iíll be eligible for anything when it comes to retire. Why even save?? Youíll just get punished for it. Meanwhile if you are foolish, donít save anything much, or live beyond your means, youíll be rewarded.

At some point, Iíll also probably get stuck paying a higher percentage of my income to fund SS and Medicare than you did, because it wonít be able to pay promised benefits by the time folks my age retire if they donít cut benefits or raise more revenue to fund it. Something has to give.

Nice to know that something has to give when it comes to SS and Medicare and that instead of fixing it, the brain trust in the white house instead decided to put his political capital into a massive piece of legislation that simply TRANSFERS HEALTHCARE COSTS, instead of lowering them, so that certain grown-a$s adults in their working years can be treated like wards of the state and given free world-class healthcare (children were already covered via Medicaid).

How many of these folks who will be getting free healthcare handouts will have disposable income to buy beer, go out to eat, buy a pack of smokes, go on vacations, live in a large house (downsize, are you kidding them Ö you expect them to downsize to take care of themselves Ö are you nuts, theyíd rather someone else downsize and care for them) than is absolutely necessary (all of which I consider luxuries) or have forgone taking on a second job (they are too good for that and entitled not to do that, just ask them Ö work more than 40 hours to take care of their own responsibility, are you fíing nuts Ö theyíd rather someone else get paid less than the 40 they work and care for them instead) to earn enough money to care for their own responsibilities (once you become an adult, caring for yourself is really your own responsibility, IMO Ö problem is some folks abrogate that responsibility and instead look to others)

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#62 May 28, 2013
"If we don't cut expensive things like Head Start, child nutrition programs and teachers, what sort of future are we leaving for our children?"

~ Stephen Colbert

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#63 May 28, 2013
I also support child nutritional programs for the children of Americans.

I have a family member who works for Head Start as a bus driver. It's a great program (I support it 100) but according to him so many of the children in it (at least where he works) are children of illegal immigrants.

He said they are nice folks and hard workers (I've never doubted that ... to me it's not about racism, it's about the fact that I feel they impose a huge burden on our social programs money that should instead be invested in Americans not illegal immigrants), but he found it a bit insulting when they said it's a free program. It's not free ... Americans pay for that program. The 50% of us who actually pay federal income taxes (and of that 50% how many do you think are illegal immigrants???) pay for that program.

The costs of illegal immigration in this country are enormous. The costs are hidden in the form of education costs for their children, healthcare costs for them and their children, food stamps for their children, free lunch and breakfast at school for their children, incarceration costs.

Go to any school with a sizable illegal immigrant population and see what percentage of the children are getting free breakfast and lunch.

Now, it seems both Republicans and Democrats are on board with granting amnesty which will also result in the us providing 10-20 million illegal immigrants with a lifetime of free Obamacare and SS/Medicare when they retire. At the same time as we are being oh so generous with foreign nationals illegally present in our country, we'll say we don't have enough money for SS and Medicare and will impose chained CPI on SS benefits, increase medicare premiums, and make SS means tested for all Americans.

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#64 May 28, 2013
Milton Friedman is erroneously cited by the right as being against illegal immigration, but he was actually in favor of it. He essentially said that legal immigration of masses of poor people cannot co-exist with the welfare state. His thinking was that if that were the case, youíd simply attract far too many folks who wanted to come here and mooch, not work for a better life.

Accordingly, he was of the thought that the only immigrants youíd want in a welfare state were illegal immigrants Ö the thought being they wouldnít be motivated to come here for welfare benefits.

Milton Friedman was a brilliant man, but his analysis fails to take into the account of the myriad of benefits we provide to the children born here from illegal immigrants. The fact is you can come here illegally, start a family and be far better off than you were in your native land not because you work hard, but because the American tax payers will bear a large portion of the costs when it comes to raising your children via the myriad of benefits we provide to anchor babies renders his thought process on the issue faulty.

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#65 May 29, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>As I have said many times a good place to start would have been the pharmaceutical industry. We pay 3 times more on average than what Canadians and Germans pay for the same prescription drugs. Why? That is incredibly low hanging fruit.
And as I've said many, many, many, MANY times before - you owe it to yourself to order some drugs from Canada. Go ahead, order some Lisinopril or Carvedilol today and see what you get.

Canadian drug suppliers are a scam and a half - it's always been that way. Google "Legitimate Canadian drug supplies" once and see what you get.

My favorite is "Our Canadian pharmacy service can save you up to 90% on prescription drugs. Online since 2003." Lol...

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#66 May 29, 2013
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The thing is far fewer folks would go to McDonalds if they had to raise prices to provide healthcare for their workers. Less of these folks would therefore have jobs. A value meal is what 6 bucks and some change. I can go to many a sit down restaurant and get a real burger for 8 bucks to eat there or via carryout. I certainly donít think it is out of the realm of possibility that McDonalds food would approach that amount if they also had to provide folks with insurance.
As I see it, McDonalds isnít a career outlet, unless you are a manager. If you set yourself up so all you can do is flip burgers at McDonalds, you suffer from delusions if you think you are going to be able to support yourself well, much less have a family. Thatís a job some high school kid should do or some SAHM, whose husband works full time and provides them with benefits should have.
A big thing I notice on the left is they thing the BIG problem is that certain jobs arenít paid like a skilled laborer is paid. As I see it, thatís not really the problem. You should know that if you are a cashier at Wal-Mart or a greeter and taking on some job that is more suitable for a high school kid or retiree looking to earn a little bit of spending money that you arenít going to be paid and given benefits commensurate with those of a skilled carpenter or a plumber. If you are one of these people, the problem is YOU and the fact that you aimed really low in life.
My point wasn't to get an education in fast food - but thanks for showing the errors of our ways.

No matter what the price, fat America will still eat at McDonalds. Everything tastes better with a sh!tload of salt and lard on it.

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#68 May 29, 2013
F'uck Ohio Unions! Hope they get bled dry.

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#70 May 29, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
F'uck Ohio Unions! Hope they get bled dry.
Think they all need to get bled dry. Especially government unions (AFGE, MTC, etc.).

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#71 May 29, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
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Think they all need to get bled dry. Especially government unions (AFGE, MTC, etc.).
Amen!

My blood pressure was just fine till I got to this thread. Zing! Out the roof it went!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r! Snap!

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#72 May 29, 2013
holiday wrote:
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Fu ck scab kkkhunts.
May they work for peanuts and eat them out of their shit
Excuse me, but don't you have a dick waiting for you to go humm on.
Run along clueless.

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