Unions NOW Mad About Obamacare

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#21 May 24, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
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Hi F-man..:) MISSED YA!
See that's my point. Nobody really knows about Obamacare. Most of us know it will be changed many times from the original draft.
As I said, it's a wait and see..
I missed you too!

As you say, there's plenty of time in the future to make changes to it once we see what works and what needs fine tuning. I don't think anybody in the dwindling GOP qualifies as a modern day Nostradamus. There is so much fatalism about so many American institutions by the republicans. Like- Unions. They say: "Unions were ONCE a good idea but, NOW they have gotten too big for their britches so, we must destroy them!" Brilliant things like that. To that end they want to eliminate things that Union men and women literally bled and died for- like 40 hour work week, overtime and- OH!- fair wages.

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#22 May 24, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>I missed you too!
As you say, there's plenty of time in the future to make changes to it once we see what works and what needs fine tuning. I don't think anybody in the dwindling GOP qualifies as a modern day Nostradamus. There is so much fatalism about so many American institutions by the republicans. Like- Unions. They say: "Unions were ONCE a good idea but, NOW they have gotten too big for their britches so, we must destroy them!" Brilliant things like that. To that end they want to eliminate things that Union men and women literally bled and died for- like 40 hour work week, overtime and- OH!- fair wages.
I was raised in a UNION family.

Do you think I'm a bitch because I have an opinion?

Sublime does....

Didn't see that one coming..

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#23 May 24, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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The folks who benefit under universal healthcare are those who cannot afford or acquire insurance through work. Everyone else receives a lower level of care. I fail to see why those of us who have insurance, should have lesser quality so that those who donít have better quality.
Actually, without "Obamacare," healthcare insurance premiums would've increased even more. It was the uninsured that helped us get here - not Obamacare. Uninsured patients have driven the cost of healthcare through the roof, well before Obamacare was even on the radar screen. And when I say unisured, I'm talking not only poverty-level patients, but the elderly, veterans and people that simply did not carry health insurance - but could afford to do so.

There are less and less non-profit hospitals left in the US, now more than ever before - you know, the ones that can't turn away uninsured patients. Healthcare insurance premiums have never decreased - ever. And the level of healthcare has gotten less and less because insurance companies want more preventative programs installed - all while America has gotten fatter and fatter.

I'm not defending it one way or another - but simply putting the whole burrito on Obamacare, which hasn't taken full effect yet, isn't what I'd call correct.

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#24 May 24, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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He got re-elected for a second term, just like Bush did, not because he was liked by most. I hated voting for Bush the second time, but I felt I had no choice, given what the democrats had running against him. I thought Bush was a terrible President and quite possibly the worst one we have ever had.
The ONLY thing so far that I really did not like was obamacare.
I also think immigration reform is going to be a disaster from an entitlement cost perspective, but that seems to be a bi-partisan effort (I don't like the idea of providing 10-20 million mostly highly impoverished foreign nationals with a lifetime of free obamacare, foodstamps (already get them for their anchor babies), cash assistance, section 8 housing, SS, Medicare ... basically care from cradle to the grave). I thing our politicians are simply in it too see how many new votes they can grab and they are going to sell all Americans in order to win favor with this new class of potential voters.
Other than that, I think he's done alright, but Obamacare was a monumental f' up. I probably would have voted for him, but for Obamacare. There were some other things I would consider of minor annoyance that I have not liked, but I'm not going to like 100% of what any President does, even if I were President I'd probably feel I made mistakes in hindsight and not like some of the things I did.
When did I get huffy with you? Did I say anything disrespectful towards you? If so, I didn't mean to. I'm just presenting my views and trying to have an honest discussion. I thought things had been pretty civil, myself, b1tch <<<< I'm TOTALLY teasing with b1tch ... don't take it the wrong way.
<smiles>
LOL...I voted for Ralph Nader both of Bush's terms coz I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Republican or Democratic candidates. I live in a state where all of the electoral votes are going democrat no matter who I vote for...honestly, unless you live in a swing state it doesn't really matter who you vote for.
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#25 May 24, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> As a general rule I'm not a bitch but if forced I can become one in a hot New York minute.
I took the wanted sub standard insurance for my family as a slap.
I want everyone to have healthcare, affordable healthcare.
As for immigration, your answer to that is a REP answer thinking all who enter the states will be on welfare. Some of those ppl have been here for years and work hard everyday just like you and I. They want what we want or already have.
ALL entitlements need to be revamped. There are way to many abusing the system. That includes whites...
When you advocate for universal healthcare such as that in England you ARE advocating for a lower level of care, whether you realize it or not.

In England, there is a pool of money the government will spend on healthcare for everyone. This pool of money influences many things, including the incentive for folks to become doctors.

To the extent you deviate from the natural market and cap doctor's wages, via government decree and caps, while this lowers costs for people, for sure,(that's good, rite) you also lessen the incentive for folks to go through the rigors of medical school (good for them, but even with the lucrative salaries in the U.S. there is no way would I have gone through 20 years of schooling, an internship and then years of residency before I started making coin ... 19 years of schooling was enough for me)... pay them less and even less people will go through that), this in turn artificially lowers the supply of doctors, and leads to a shortages, which leads to delays in seeing doctors, especially specialists, often times, which leads to a lower level of care.

If you want, I can even point you to unbiased studies that show this to be exactly the case. The bad thing about our system is that we have some folks who have lesser care than those in countries with universal coverage. The good thing about our system is that for those who have care, we have better care than those with universal coverage, including better survival rates for a range of diseases (when you compare insured here verses insured over there and leave the uninsured out of the equation).

*****

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-05-06...

Amnesty will cost trillions of dollars. The vast majority of these folks are uneducated low skill laborers. Who do you think will be buying them their Obamacare insurance, not to mention all the other benefits they will be entitled too? Barely 50 percent of folks even pay one dime of federal income tax. How many of these folks are going to be paying income tax? How many of them on the other hand are going to be using the services that debt and income tax fund?
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#26 May 24, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I was raised in a UNION family.
Do you think I'm a bitch because I have an opinion?
Sublime does....
Didn't see that one coming..
I specifically told you I was teasing you. I wasn't being serious. Feel free to continue on as if I was... <rolls eyes>

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#27 May 24, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I was raised in a UNION family.
Do you think I'm a bitch because I have an opinion?
Sublime does....
Didn't see that one coming..
That's how wrong most of his opinions are.

But, I digress... He's just one of many who long for the good ol' days when Americans- especially women- "knew their place". It seems like they like things pre-FDR from what I've read.
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#28 May 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Actually, without "Obamacare," healthcare insurance premiums would've increased even more. It was the uninsured that helped us get here - not Obamacare. Uninsured patients have driven the cost of healthcare through the roof, well before Obamacare was even on the radar screen. And when I say unisured, I'm talking not only poverty-level patients, but the elderly, veterans and people that simply did not carry health insurance - but could afford to do so.
There are less and less non-profit hospitals left in the US, now more than ever before - you know, the ones that can't turn away uninsured patients. Healthcare insurance premiums have never decreased - ever. And the level of healthcare has gotten less and less because insurance companies want more preventative programs installed - all while America has gotten fatter and fatter.
I'm not defending it one way or another - but simply putting the whole burrito on Obamacare, which hasn't taken full effect yet, isn't what I'd call correct.
I've already had this conversation with you. If giving the uninsured free heathcare saved more money than it cost, they wouldn't have had to raid 600 billion from medicare, raise taxes, and cap everyone's flex spending accounts to pay for it.

To take 10 dollars from someone, and then say, hey, but don't worry, you'll pay $2 less dollars on your healthcare, is not a net win for the person paying the 10 dollars. It might be a net win for the person who gets the $10 bucks, but the other person is still down 8 bucks. Even under the most optimistic scenario, that is what Obamacare does.
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#29 May 24, 2013
DaveMC wrote:
<quoted text>LOL...I voted for Ralph Nader both of Bush's terms coz I couldn't bring myself to vote for either Republican or Democratic candidates. I live in a state where all of the electoral votes are going democrat no matter who I vote for...honestly, unless you live in a swing state it doesn't really matter who you vote for.
You're right, and unless you want handouts from the government or are super wealthy, I think you end up getting screwed regardless of who you elect.

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#30 May 24, 2013
Unions are destroying themselves by their own actions.
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#31 May 24, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> ALL entitlements need to be revamped. There are way to many abusing the system. That includes whites...
Has nothing to do with skin color and every thing to do with the fact that unless you came here legally and comply with our laws and go through the proper channels to be come a lawful American, we shouldn't be granting handing folks care from cradle to the grave.

White, black, brown, same standard, doesn't matter ... taking trillions of dollars from Americans and giving them to foreigners is not good for our nation.

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#32 May 25, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I specifically told you I was teasing you. I wasn't being serious. Feel free to continue on as if I was... <rolls eyes>
Calling a woman a bitch teasing or not is degrading, stupid and juvenile. Something a real man doesn't do but something a boy would. It's offensive to me and many other women.

You come here wanting to state your opinion but don't care to hear anyone elses. You talk about what (you think) will happen when nobody knows how this will play out.

Calling me names teasing or not in no way proves your point here. It just shows you're a Conservative A-hole and someone not to be taken seriously.

( double eyeroll)

Grow up!!

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#33 May 25, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
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Calling a woman a bitch teasing or not is degrading, stupid and juvenile. Something a real man doesn't do but something a boy would. It's offensive to me and many other women.
You come here wanting to state your opinion but don't care to hear anyone elses. You talk about what (you think) will happen when nobody knows how this will play out.
Calling me names teasing or not in no way proves your point here. It just shows you're a Conservative A-hole and someone not to be taken seriously.
( double eyeroll)
Grow up!!
NAILED IT!!

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#35 May 25, 2013
Looks like Obla bla will be handing out more waivers, this time to his union buddies.
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#36 May 25, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
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Calling a woman a bitch teasing or not is degrading, stupid and juvenile. Something a real man doesn't do but something a boy would. It's offensive to me and many other women.
You come here wanting to state your opinion but don't care to hear anyone elses. You talk about what (you think) will happen when nobody knows how this will play out.
Calling me names teasing or not in no way proves your point here. It just shows you're a Conservative A-hole and someone not to be taken seriously.
( double eyeroll)
Grow up!!
Only a person who is uptight with no sense of humor would find something offensive that wasn't intended to be offensive ... I even went through the trouble of clearly pointing out to you that I wasn't being serious.

If I wanted to call you a b1tch and mean it, I'd simply call you a b1tch...

You don't speak for what all women find offensive and frankly I don't care what you find offensive ... I've seen women on here call each other a b1tch in playful fashion and its funny that unlike you, the other didn't fly off the handle.

The real problem it seems to me is you don't like my political thoughts and i embarassed you by explaining that by advocating for Universal care such as they have in Britain or say in Canada your bleeding heart is actually advocating for a lower level of care for everyone who currently has insurance. I can't help that you are a bimbo and need such things explained to you.

If you don't like my politics, can't defend yours, are going to be uptight, i suggest you don't come on a thread that I started for folks who want to discuss the issue. Comprende b1tch? <<<< I meant that this time.

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#39 May 25, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Only a person who is uptight with no sense of humor would find something offensive that wasn't intended to be offensive ... I even went through the trouble of clearly pointing out to you that I wasn't being serious.
If I wanted to call you a b1tch and mean it, I'd simply call you a b1tch...
You don't speak for what all women find offensive and frankly I don't care what you find offensive ... I've seen women on here call each other a b1tch in playful fashion and its funny that unlike you, the other didn't fly off the handle.
The real problem it seems to me is you don't like my political thoughts and i embarassed you by explaining that by advocating for Universal care such as they have in Britain or say in Canada your bleeding heart is actually advocating for a lower level of care for everyone who currently has insurance. I can't help that you are a bimbo and need such things explained to you.
If you don't like my politics, can't defend yours, are going to be uptight, i suggest you don't come on a thread that I started for folks who want to discuss the issue. Comprende b1tch? <<<< I meant that this time.
Unbelievable! And this *lawyer* thinks he can sue me for- whatever his idiotic self *thinks* he can sue me for!!

People have thought I make these idiots up!

(EXCLAIMOR! Er, uh, maybe I DO make them up! That's right! There's no effing way a man can act like that character does and still call himself a man! That explains that, your honor!)
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#40 May 25, 2013
Wow! If I didnt know any better, Id say they have something personally against conservatives. Gee, and I thought those on the left were all about tolerance! Other than Dave (good for you ... i can see why you are well liked), I'd say their idea of tolerance extends only to those who agree with them.

This was a classic case of how to get 80% of those on the left to show their true intolerance and hatred for those who do not agree with them (this phenomena precisely explains the IRS scandal). Simply disagree with them and support your positions with facts, reason, and logic and then sit back and watch the melt down commence.

Instead of explaining the errors of my thought process (cause they can't) they've spent a page of posts focusing on my playfully calling her a b1tch, attempting to insult me, and focusing on petty distractions.

The horror of my playfully calling her a b1tch ...i guess my buddy's wife who bought a t-shirt that reads "the b1tch didnt fall off ... she rides her own bike" hates women too ... she should have cleared that with OC to make sure it was okay and not offensive to her and some women or advancing a woman hating agenda that is an affront to all feminists (who have self-appointed themselves as the final say on all issues that affect any woman and in such capacity have declared that what insults the most sensitive and anal retentive among them is an affront to all women).

Cry more, please.
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#41 May 25, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Other than Dave (good for you ... i can see why you are well liked), I'd say their idea of tolerance extends only to those who agree with them.
M69 too. We've had some good discussions in the past without resorting to petty insults.
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#42 May 25, 2013
Union Made wrote:
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Just your typical woman hating conservative male. limited intelligence.
Speaking of limited intelligence, you really make this too f'ing easy:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/weird/TV6SARQ...

Note the location.

Calling a woman a b1tch! How dare you!!! You should be ashamed, woman hater!! You're also a hypocrite for pi$$ing your panties whining about how I'm a woman hater for calling OC one.
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#45 May 25, 2013
Ha!!! SNL has a skit called "B1tch What's The Answer" and Jamie Foxx, who plays the gameshow host, is calling all the contestants B1tchs repeatedly.

See calling someone a b1tch Is FUNNY!

Winning!!!

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