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#423 Jan 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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The people NOT buying the insurance are those who can afford it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/19/obam...
"This (analysis) doesn't change the basic fact that the individual responsibility policy will only affect people who can afford health care but choose not to buy it," said Erin Shields Britt of the Health and Human Services Department. "We're no longer going to subsidize the care of those who can afford to buy insurance but make a choice not to buy it."
The budget office said most of the increase in its estimate is due to changes in underlying projections about the economy, incorporating the effects of new federal legislation, as well as higher unemployment and lower wages.
The Supreme Court upheld Obama's law as constitutional in a 5-4 decision this summer, finding that the insurance mandate and the tax penalty enforcing it fall within the power of Congress to impose taxes. The penalty will be collected by the IRS, just like taxes.
The budget office said the penalty will raise $6.9 billion in 2016.
The new law will also provide government aid to help middle-class and low-income households afford coverage, the financial carrot that balances out the penalty.
Nonetheless, some people might still decide to remain uninsured because they object to government mandates or because they feel they would come out ahead financially even if they have to pay the penalty. Health insurance is expensive, with employer-provided family coverage averaging nearly $15,800 a year for a family and $4,300 for a single plan. Indeed, insurance industry experts say the federal penalty may be too low.
The Supreme Court also allowed individual states to opt out of a major Medicaid expansion under the law. The Obama administration says it will exempt low-income people in states that opt out from having to comply with the insurance requirement.
Review term in the bill personal mandate.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

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#424 Jan 14, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Home construction and auto sales best in last five years.....
That is correct, but two industries do not drive an entire economy.

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#425 Jan 14, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>The supreme court said it was a tax. That is the only reason they didn't throw it out. The government has the power to tax. They do not have the power to make you buy health insurance
Obama claimed it wasnít a tax. SCOTUS canít rule on the tax penalty until the first person is taxed. As part of the decision they stated they would be willing to revisit it.

Liberal news outlets attempted to compare the personal mandate with auto insurance. Driving isnít a right, if you donít want to pay the insurance donít drive. If you donít want to pay for health insurance what is your option? Stop living?

Iím looking forward to Obamacare heading back to the Supreme Court.

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#426 Jan 14, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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certainly once again .... age/approve firearms courses/ drop the militia/ one person/ one hand gun is enough/ and a uniformed gun permit code in the 50 states , not a helter/skelter affair .... asked you do you have state police ?
How would a court enforce that? Wording is atrocious.

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#427 Jan 14, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Home construction and auto sales best in last five years.....
you don't suppose that storms like SANDY have a thing to do with that sudden upswing , of course not , you didn't think this out

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#429 Jan 14, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Bush left $10.6 trillion, plus two wars on credit...look it up......before you blame this administration.....
LOL That is pretty dumb. The national debt inherited from EVERY president in history was 10 trillion dollars when Obama came in office and in 4 years it is now over 16 trillion dollars. Far more the bush spent in two terms. No President in history has come close to Obama's 4 years of spending.The biggest tax of all will be the devaluation of our dollar. That hits rich and poor. The federal reserve is buying our debt and printing worthless paper money

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#430 Jan 14, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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certainly once again .... age/approve firearms courses/ drop the militia/ one person/ one hand gun is enough/ and a uniformed gun permit code in the 50 states , not a helter/skelter affair .... asked you do you have state police ?
So your deciding how many guns is enough :)I have different hand guns for different uses

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#431 Jan 14, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>So your deciding how many guns is enough :)I have different hand guns for different uses
Are they color-coordinated to match your outfits, moods or both?

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#432 Jan 14, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
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That is correct, but two industries do not drive an entire economy.
Sorry, your glass is alway's half empty....can't help ya....

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#433 Jan 14, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>LOL That is pretty dumb. The national debt inherited from EVERY president in history was 10 trillion dollars when Obama came in office and in 4 years it is now over 16 trillion dollars. Far more the bush spent in two terms. No President in history has come close to Obama's 4 years of spending.The biggest tax of all will be the devaluation of our dollar. That hits rich and poor. The federal reserve is buying our debt and printing worthless paper money
That has already been proven several times, and i am just not interested in another, neverending, circular election debate, just to justify another billion posts.....it's over, Obama won....

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#434 Jan 14, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>So your deciding how many guns is enough :)I have different hand guns for different uses
no for every rule is an exception , like a collector do be an azz

your gramma doesn't need five hand guns

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#435 Jan 14, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>That has already been proven several times, and i am just not interested in another, neverending, circular election debate, just to justify another billion posts.....it's over, Obama won....
Here are Obamaís thoughts on the debt limit in 2006, when he voted against increasing the ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americaís debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government canít pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Governmentís reckless fiscal policies.Ö Increasing Americaís debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that Ďthe buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

What a hypocrite Obama is.

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#436 Jan 14, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
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Review term in the bill personal mandate.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/27/1078...

When George H.W. Bush was president, he came up with this crazy idea on how to improve our health care system.

H.W. Bush had this radical plan to propose an individual health care mandate to bring down health care costs by forcing every American citizen to purchase insurance because the uninsured raise the cost for everyone else. This would also end pre-existing conditions.

The Heritage Foundation supported and even helped write H.W. Bush's bill with an individual mandate. Today they are one of many conservative groups fighting the current mandate.

Republicans eventually tabled this plan because they didn't think they could get enough Democratic support in congress to pass it.(My, how times have changed)

Then Bush lost the '92 election to Bill Clinton.


In the early 90's, President Clinton was pushing for single-payer healthcare in America.

Since it would help millions of Americans and put an end to unfair and unethical insurance practices, Republicans had to kill it.

They came up with two plans of their own called the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993" and the "Consumer Choice Health Security Act of 1994" to counter Clinton's. It was very close to the plan that H.W. Bush and the Heritage Foundation penned a few years earlier. And guess what both of these bills included?... an individual health care mandate.

This was not a mistake, it was not put in the bills by Democrats. Republican Senator John Chafee (RI) proposed the "Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993" and Republican Senator Don Nickels (OK) proposed the "Consumer Choice Health Security Act of 1994". Half of the GOP Senate at the time sponsored both bills including Individual mandates.

Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993 Sponsors:

Robert Bennett [R-UT], Christopher Bond [R-MO], David Boren [D-OK], William Cohen [R-ME], John Danforth [R-MO], Robert Dole [R-KS], Pete Domenici [R-NM], David Durenberger [R-MN], Duncan Faircloth [R-NC], Slade Gorton [R-WA], Charles Grassley [R-IA], Orrin Hatch [R-UT], Mark Hatfield [R-OR], Nancy Kassebaum [R-KS], Robert Kerrey [D-NE], Richard Lugar [R-IN], Alan Simpson [R-WY], Arlen Specter [R-PA], Ted Stevens [R-AK], John Warner [R-VA]

Consumer Choice Security Act of 1994 Sponsors:

Robert Bennett [R-UT], George Brown [R-CO], Conrad Burns [R-MT], Daniel Coats [R-IN], Thad Cochran [R-MS], Paul Coverdell [R-GA], Larry Craig [R-ID], Robert Dole [R-KS], Duncan Faircloth [R-NC], Charles Grassley [R-IA], Judd Gregg [R-NH], Orrin Hatch [R-UT], Jesse Helms [R-NC], Kay Hutchison [R-TX], Dirk Kempthorne [R-ID], Trent Lott [R-MS], Richard Lugar [R-IN], Connie Mack [R-FL], Frank Murkowski [R-AK], Alan Simpson [R-WY], Bob Smith [R-NH], Ted Stevens [R-AK], Strom Thurmond [R-SC], Malcolm Wallop [R-WY].

You may recognize a few of those names and remember that the last time you seen these people they were telling you how Obamacare would kill your grandmother and resurrect Karl Marx from the dead. We call them hypocrites.

Once again the Heritage Foundation Supported the GOP plans with an individual mandate.

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#437 Jan 14, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
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Here are Obamaís thoughts on the debt limit in 2006, when he voted against increasing the ceiling:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising Americaís debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government canít pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Governmentís reckless fiscal policies.Ö Increasing Americaís debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that Ďthe buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
What a hypocrite Obama is.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/opinion/kru...

Under the Constitution, fiscal decisions rest with Congress, which passes laws specifying tax rates and establishing spending programs. If the revenue brought in by those legally established tax rates falls short of the costs of those legally established programs, the Treasury Department normally borrows the difference.

Lately, revenue has fallen far short of spending, mainly because of the depressed state of the economy. If you donít like this, thereís a simple remedy: demand that Congress raise taxes or cut back on spending. And if youíre frustrated by Congressís failure to act, well, democracy means that you canít always get what you want.

Where does the debt ceiling fit into all this? Actually, it doesnít. Since Congress already determines revenue and spending, and hence the amount the Treasury needs to borrow, we shouldnít need another vote empowering that borrowing. But for historical reasons any increase in federal debt must be approved by yet another vote. And now Republicans in the House are threatening to deny that approval unless President Obama makes major policy concessions.

Itís crucial to understand three things about this situation. First, raising the debt ceiling wouldnít grant the president any new powers; every dollar he spent would still have to be approved by Congress. Second, if the debt ceiling isnít raised, the president will be forced to break the law, one way or another; either he borrows funds in defiance of Congress, or he fails to spend money Congress has told him to spend.

Finally, just consider the vileness of that G.O.P. threat. If we were to hit the debt ceiling, the U.S. government would end up defaulting on many of its obligations. This would have disastrous effects on financial markets, the economy, and our standing in the world. Yet Republicans are threatening to trigger this disaster unless they get spending cuts that they werenít able to enact through normal, Constitutional means.

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#438 Jan 14, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
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Proof?
As much as gun control advocates might wish otherwise, their attacks are running out of ammo. With private firearm ownership at an all-time high and violent crime rates plunging, none of the scary scenarios they advanced have materialized. Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02...
Repeating the same lie to yourself doesnít make it true. Whatís your proof registration would reduce crime?
Two years ago the state of Florida rewrote preemption laws. Those laws prohibited any local municipality from passing stricter gun control than the state. The liberals cried the streets will run red with blood, never happened.
Florida adopted concealed carry for law abiding citizens, as a result crime fell 41%. To date only 0.002% of permits have been revoked. Commit a crime and your permit is subject to revocation.
Even IF you could conceivably register every fun in the country now and all those manufactured in the future it wouldn't matter. Anyone with gun knowledge can manufacture a firearm from common items.

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#439 Jan 14, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
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Wrong again. If someone is in the business of selling firearms they must obtain an FFL. Dealers at gun shows MUST run a background check. It doesnít take two days. I purchased a pistol and a rifle Saturday. Background check was done in just a couple of minutes. Pistol is awesome, Colt 1911 manufactured in 1918.
How many gun owners do you know? Unless I know someone very well I wonít sell them a firearm unless they have a current CCW or FFL. Anyone knowingly selling firearms to anyone unqualified to own a firearm is committing a felony.
Even after the NICS check is done it can come back as on hold so the sale isn't always instant. Go 1911. My favorite to shoot is the Defender we have.

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#440 Jan 14, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
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The 1994 ban was completely ineffective. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/aug/...
Do you assume most weapons used in crime are obtained from gun shows? How do you manage the more than 300 million firearms in circulation today?
You lack thought process. You believe a law will prevent crime. Doesnít work that way. Laws only provide a means to punish.
It is always amusing when people who do not own guns and dont attend gun shows think they know everything about guns and gunshows. Like people without kids who give parenting advice. Or a six time divorced giving marriage advice.

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#441 Jan 14, 2013
eternal cynic wrote:
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Almost true. Manufactured prior to 1900 no check is required.
True because they are a relic or curio. People also dont realize something that you just said about having guns sent to someone with a FFL. You can't just buy a gun from a dealer somewhere like you said without having the NICS check done by the person with the FFL. you can't just order a fun from a catalog. Other situations, like inheriting guns, can require a check. Correct me if I am wrong on that. Another example that I am certain of because it came up in the ATF interview at our house is that, lets say, someone drops off a gun to be worked on by my husband. Maybe after the gun is being repaired the owner dies. My husband can't turn the gun over to anyone without running the NICS check. Not as easy as people think.

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#442 Jan 14, 2013
Me I Know Notheeng wrote:
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Even IF you could conceivably register every fun in the country now and all those manufactured in the future it wouldn't matter. Anyone with gun knowledge can manufacture a firearm from common items.
Yeah....that'd be the same...yeah....why bother with gun laws...any laws....let's be cowards and give up....

Jebus, you're dense!

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#443 Jan 14, 2013
Me I Know Notheeng wrote:
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It is always amusing when people who do not own guns and dont attend gun shows think they know everything about guns and gunshows. Like people without kids who give parenting advice. Or a six time divorced giving marriage advice.
Or you giving legal advice!

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