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Good.. then the deceptive air quality attacks the pure state of normalcy.... thus, these normal cells of thought are subjected to an infectious BAD thought pattern that misalignments the Good cells .creating an disturbance in the thought process... which in turn short circuits the entire BALANCED structure of decisive decision making of choosing between GOOD and EVIL DEEDS... THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL!!

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Hey C.C. great..

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Jan 25, 2013
 
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Thank you.
It wasn't intelligent as much as dispassionate. My earlier posts were passion filled because it seems to me that you created a thread as an excuse to abuse children and call them names. I don't think you've ever taken the time to try to understand what makes children act as they do, and you are way off base when you define some as monsters.
Sure, some people have psychiatric conditions. My point though is that sometimes good people do bad things because they are hurt or upset and don't know how best to express it. Children, being people, are no different and only a person who has no patience with them would thus describe them in the way you did.
We have to just agreet o disagree obout this okay? I have seen pure evil in a child for myself so don't you bloody tell me it does not exist!

And stop putting words into my mouth too. I do not think that ALL children are evil. Why do you make blanket statements?

No I am not maternal at all. I love animals though. They deserve our help and compassion just as much as children do.
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We have to just agreet o disagree obout this okay? I have seen pure evil in a child for myself so don't you bloody tell me it does not exist!
And stop putting words into my mouth too. I do not think that ALL children are evil. Why do you make blanket statements?
No I am not maternal at all. I love animals though. They deserve our help and compassion just as much as children do.
Me too!! Love animals. Sometimes I feel animals are more of a victim than most.

But that's.... Another story all together! ;)
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Not totally evil but certainly not as good as one would hope. We are born fearful, distrusting, petty and greedy. Some grow beyond this. Some don't. Most are somewhere in the middle.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
My life was irreversibly damaged through relentless bullying at shcool. And ignorance of a biblical scale on the part of... the adults who either didn't want to know or had the neck to tell me it must be my fault. Even today I'm a totally defective human being. Completely reclusive even though I really hate it. No friends, no life, little money. I trust no one and am wholly incapable of getting close to anyone. I will never be able to have a meaningful relationship. I can't even kickstart a friendship. I know nothing but myself and let me tell you, my own thoughts are not pleasant. I could go on but I think you get the idea.. You may think I'm being... whatever, but that's why I'm anonymously posting this. So you don't know who I am. Having finished school at seventeen knowing nothing but ridicule verbal, and, if I stood up to these "Innocents", physical abuse and isolation, I've since spent the last seven years... well, doing nothing. I haven't lived, only existed. And it's all I ever will do. i grew up with these little shits. They spent many years destroying me. I spare no compassion whatsoever for these... pack animals and never will. You people need to understand NOW what "kids" are capable of. I fight an extremely hard battle every single hour that needn't be fought at all. I've resisted resorting to dung abuse or... well, heavy drinking anyway. Smoking, obviously does nothing. I fight my way out of bed each morning, go to work and "smile" (Only four muscles my ass. It is bloody stiff and awkward to do..) because it is expected of any "functioning" member of society. But were I to lead a normal life free from the kind of torment ONLY a kid can inflict, I wouldn't even have to write this. Wolfganged and Co are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. Are people born bad?
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Hell fucking yes.
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Do "children" have the capacity to be evil beyond measure?
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I dare you to try and convince me they don't.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Solitary wrote:
My life was irreversibly damaged through relentless bullying at shcool. And ignorance of a biblical scale on the part of... the adults who either didn't want to know or had the neck to tell me it must be my fault. Even today I'm a totally defective human being. Completely reclusive even though I really hate it. No friends, no life, little money. I trust no one and am wholly incapable of getting close to anyone. I will never be able to have a meaningful relationship. I can't even kickstart a friendship. I know nothing but myself and let me tell you, my own thoughts are not pleasant. I could go on but I think you get the idea.. You may think I'm being... whatever, but that's why I'm anonymously posting this. So you don't know who I am. Having finished school at seventeen knowing nothing but ridicule verbal, and, if I stood up to these "Innocents", physical abuse and isolation, I've since spent the last seven years... well, doing nothing. I haven't lived, only existed. And it's all I ever will do. i grew up with these little shits. They spent many years destroying me. I spare no compassion whatsoever for these... pack animals and never will. You people need to understand NOW what "kids" are capable of. I fight an extremely hard battle every single hour that needn't be fought at all. I've resisted resorting to dung abuse or... well, heavy drinking anyway. Smoking, obviously does nothing. I fight my way out of bed each morning, go to work and "smile" (Only four muscles my ass. It is bloody stiff and awkward to do..) because it is expected of any "functioning" member of society. But were I to lead a normal life free from the kind of torment ONLY a kid can inflict, I wouldn't even have to write this. Wolfganged and Co are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. Are people born bad?
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Hell fucking yes.
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Do "children" have the capacity to be evil beyond measure?
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I dare you to try and convince me they don't.
I have read and reread your post. If you are sincere I wish there was something I could do. I am lucky. I can say I know what you are saying but at least it only happens to me now and again. Yes kids can be the most evil person so another child. But are they born that way? I will say keep hanging in. Maybe some day there will be more good days than bad. It is the most tiring thing in the world to face people and be "normal". Keep trying. One day maybe your mind will let you believe it. I have learned that sometimes you just have to be alone but that is not good for you either. What is the answer? I don't know but don't give up on yourself!!

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Free will.

People aren't born good or bad, instead they spend their lives choosing between good and bad.

People obviously weren't born good because there is so much bad in the world.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Wolfganged wrote:
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We have to just agreet o disagree obout this okay? I have seen pure evil in a child for myself so don't you bloody tell me it does not exist!
And stop putting words into my mouth too. I do not think that ALL children are evil. Why do you make blanket statements?
No I am not maternal at all. I love animals though. They deserve our help and compassion just as much as children do.
I'd like to agree with you but I can't. The premise of your thread was are we born good or evil? Then you went on to attack children based upon your belief that every child who doesn't meet with you approval is a monster. My thinking is that you are a hard and insensitive person who thinks in black and white and who holds little regard for the fact that sometimes children do bad things because they don't know how else to express themselves.

I've taken against you and I don't want to agree with you because you are offensive and yukky.

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Solitary wrote:
My life was irreversibly damaged through relentless bullying at shcool. And ignorance of a biblical scale on the part of... the adults who either didn't want to know or had the neck to tell me it must be my fault. Even today I'm a totally defective human being. Completely reclusive even though I really hate it. No friends, no life, little money. I trust no one and am wholly incapable of getting close to anyone. I will never be able to have a meaningful relationship. I can't even kickstart a friendship. I know nothing but myself and let me tell you, my own thoughts are not pleasant. I could go on but I think you get the idea.. You may think I'm being... whatever, but that's why I'm anonymously posting this. So you don't know who I am. Having finished school at seventeen knowing nothing but ridicule verbal, and, if I stood up to these "Innocents", physical abuse and isolation, I've since spent the last seven years... well, doing nothing. I haven't lived, only existed. And it's all I ever will do. i grew up with these little shits. They spent many years destroying me. I spare no compassion whatsoever for these... pack animals and never will. You people need to understand NOW what "kids" are capable of. I fight an extremely hard battle every single hour that needn't be fought at all. I've resisted resorting to dung abuse or... well, heavy drinking anyway. Smoking, obviously does nothing. I fight my way out of bed each morning, go to work and "smile" (Only four muscles my ass. It is bloody stiff and awkward to do..) because it is expected of any "functioning" member of society. But were I to lead a normal life free from the kind of torment ONLY a kid can inflict, I wouldn't even have to write this. Wolfganged and Co are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. Are people born bad?
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Hell fucking yes.
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Do "children" have the capacity to be evil beyond measure?
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I dare you to try and convince me they don't.
All very touching but you'll never get over any of that when you stay in victim mode.

By the way, doing a bad thing doesn't make a person evil - not unless you stay determined to blame them for the fact that your life is a wasted phq up.

Get a grip.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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I have read and reread your post. If you are sincere I wish there was something I could do. I am lucky. I can say I know what you are saying but at least it only happens to me now and again. Yes kids can be the most evil person so another child. But are they born that way? I will say keep hanging in. Maybe some day there will be more good days than bad. It is the most tiring thing in the world to face people and be "normal". Keep trying. One day maybe your mind will let you believe it. I have learned that sometimes you just have to be alone but that is not good for you either. What is the answer? I don't know but don't give up on yourself!!

Thank you. I know I left a few things out in the name of speed and the like and it may look like a plea for attention but look at it from my point of view:
We don't know each other, we're likely thousands of miles apart and I'm taking advantage of the anonymous black box facility. What help or attention could you possibly give me? I don't mean that rudely, of course. Its just that I stand to gain absolutely nothing by doing what I've noticed a lot of people here do.. And I promise you I am sincere on this..
No, I'm not here for attention because, obviously, I dont have any tangible acces to it. I dunno, just.. my view on it.. I'm here to offer a perspective to both Wolfganged and THINKYOUKNOWITALL. And I simply have to side with Wolf on this. I see absolutely no reason not to. But thank you for the kind words all the same. They can't do much for me for reasons above BUT it takes a good person to step up and offer kind words instead of resorting to low brow row rising. And I do respect that. Thank you.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
If we act on the fact that everyone is born bad then what hope do we have for this wowrld. I have to believe that not all children are born evil because I have seen it for my own eyes. I also don't want to give up what little hope I have that some time society will get a better grasp on things. If we don't then what kind of world have we got. Surely there is hope somewhere.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
I try not to but in my world, the raito sadly leans towards the baddies.. Thankfully my world is small. In the world that matters to everyone, the real world, there are indeed saints among us. It would be silly and somewhat selfish of me to think other wise. Ive seen good deeds and heard tell of them. For instance the NY cop who bought a beggar some boots on a winters night. Now there's a stand up fella.
Goodness is out there but it is swamped. Just thankfully not so badly that we never hear from it. I hope things turn out ok for you too. It was very pleasant to meet you. Anyway I've said enough. Regardless of what trollie here thinks or posts I know I'm right. And I'm not here to fight over it.
So long good person.

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Solitary wrote:
I try not to but in my world, the raito sadly leans towards the baddies.. Thankfully my world is small. In the world that matters to everyone, the real world, there are indeed saints among us. It would be silly and somewhat selfish of me to think other wise. Ive seen good deeds and heard tell of them. For instance the NY cop who bought a beggar some boots on a winters night. Now there's a stand up fella.
Goodness is out there but it is swamped. Just thankfully not so badly that we never hear from it. I hope things turn out ok for you too. It was very pleasant to meet you. Anyway I've said enough. Regardless of what trollie here thinks or posts I know I'm right. And I'm not here to fight over it.
So long good person.
your intelligence is evident in the words that you write. Unless there is a variable factor that you are with holding I would say that you have the means to escape this turmoil that has befalling you and be a successful participant of the society. Bullying only wins when you continue to allow it to. Your low self esteem is definitely a contributing factor and I fear you may be suffering from depression. See a doctor, seek the help you need, find a church, which I don't support all beliefs but I do know that there are good people in there that can lift your spirits and at least get you going in the right direction. You know the old saying misery loves company? Sometimes we unwillingly put ourselves in a situation that we can't find our way out of because it is the only happiness we know.
Your situation goes way beyond good or bad people, you need professional help my friend. Do something for yourself right now,
Make up your mind that today is the first day of the rest of your life!

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Solitary wrote:
I try not to but in my world, the raito sadly leans towards the baddies.. Thankfully my world is small. In the world that matters to everyone, the real world, there are indeed saints among us. It would be silly and somewhat selfish of me to think other wise. Ive seen good deeds and heard tell of them. For instance the NY cop who bought a beggar some boots on a winters night. Now there's a stand up fella.
Goodness is out there but it is swamped. Just thankfully not so badly that we never hear from it. I hope things turn out ok for you too. It was very pleasant to meet you. Anyway I've said enough. Regardless of what trollie here thinks or posts I know I'm right. And I'm not here to fight over it.
So long good person.
I am a good listener and like you said we are strangers but if you ever want to just vent you can use my avatar to send a PM. If not thats ok too. Good luck.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Good & Bad are things learned. We are like sponges and learn as we grow.what we learn depends on who we are around and what we choose to retaine.

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I'd like to agree with you but I can't. The premise of your thread was are we born good or evil? Then you went on to attack children based upon your belief that every child who doesn't meet with you approval is a monster. My thinking is that you are a hard and insensitive person who thinks in black and white and who holds little regard for the fact that sometimes children do bad things because they don't know how else to express themselves.
I've taken against you and I don't want to agree with you because you are offensive and yukky.
Everyone else seems to understand I my opinion was not based on all children.

You dont seem to be able to contribute intelligentley to this disscusion without making it about you and how you feel. Could you please contribute, stick to what this tread is all about... EVIL MONSTOROUS CHILDREN.

Some children are SICKOS... you don't like me saying that do you?
Well you will ust have to del with it or if you like I could call you a waaaamulance?

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All very touching but you'll never get over any of that when you stay in victim mode.
By the way, doing a bad thing doesn't make a person evil - not unless you stay determined to blame them for the fact that your life is a wasted phq up.
Get a grip.
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My life was irreversibly damaged through relentless bullying at shcool. And ignorance of a biblical scale on the part of... the adults who either didn't want to know or had the neck to tell me it must be my fault. Even today I'm a totally defective human being. Completely reclusive even though I really hate it. No friends, no life, little money. I trust no one and am wholly incapable of getting close to anyone. I will never be able to have a meaningful relationship. I can't even kickstart a friendship. I know nothing but myself and let me tell you, my own thoughts are not pleasant. I could go on but I think you get the idea.. You may think I'm being... whatever, but that's why I'm anonymously posting this. So you don't know who I am. Having finished school at seventeen knowing nothing but ridicule verbal, and, if I stood up to these "Innocents", physical abuse and isolation, I've since spent the last seven years... well, doing nothing. I haven't lived, only existed. And it's all I ever will do. i grew up with these little shits. They spent many years destroying me. I spare no compassion whatsoever for these... pack animals and never will. You people need to understand NOW what "kids" are capable of. I fight an extremely hard battle every single hour that needn't be fought at all. I've resisted resorting to dung abuse or... well, heavy drinking anyway. Smoking, obviously does nothing. I fight my way out of bed each morning, go to work and "smile" (Only four muscles my ass. It is bloody stiff and awkward to do..) because it is expected of any "functioning" member of society. But were I to lead a normal life free from the kind of torment ONLY a kid can inflict, I wouldn't even have to write this. Wolfganged and Co are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT. Are people born bad?
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Hell fucking yes.
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Do "children" have the capacity to be evil beyond measure?
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I dare you to try and convince me they don't.
Thank you for sharing this. It would not have been easy (( HUG)) If you ever want to talk please feel free to pm me as I too was a victim of bullying. It got so bad that I did consider taking my life.I do not consider myself a victim anymore though and I like to think of myself as a survivor because I got through it. I wont pretend it did not affect me and still does somewhat... like when I hear of severe bullying or yet another child topping themselves because of it my heart aches for them and for the child within me that was so sad and unhappy. Those bullies took so much away from me but you have to turn it around into a positive now and get on with life. They had the power over you back then but it is up to you now to get it back. It's not easy but it can be done. I wish you luck and I just want you to know that you are not alone.

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the fact that sometimes children do bad things because they don't know how else to express themselvesI've taken against you and I don't want to agree with you because you are offensive and yukky.
Oh okay cool.... so those two 10 year olds who stabbed,tourtured and dumped a two year old boy on the tain tracks to die were just expressing themselves.... Oh thanks for clearing that up! here I was thinking they were sick and twisted and all along they were just trying to express themselves.
And the 13 year old who raped an 87 year old lady was ust horny? expressing himself? He could not be a sicko surely? saying that about a chyllld is just sooooo wrong??

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