Gunman's mother kept trials of home life hidden

Dec 17, 2012 Full story: The Kansas City Star 798

At the bar, everybody knew her name.Nancy Lanza was the one who, if she heard you were short on cash, regularly offered to pick up the tab at My Place.Two or three nights a week, Lanza - the mother of the gunman in Connecticut's horrific school massacre - came in for carryout salads, but stayed for Chardonnay and good humor.

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“Antisocialistic”

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Lake Charles, LA

#822 Dec 28, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>Wonder who that would be crying and whining (which is spelt thus, unless you are drinking, which from your posts is perfectly possible)? Did I specify with whom I had posted for several years? Give you a clue, it isn't M69. I suspect, oh ye of conspiracy theory, that other posters merely react to your idiocy, as I did. Btw, this is a public forum: by posting on here you make it my business.
Yep leave it to a liberal to correct typos and criticize when they have nothing else. I'll be sure to tell autocorrect you are smarter than it, just like I am, but I doubt it will stop changing words.

I really don't care who your posting buddy is, or that you perceived that I insulted them. As you stated, it's an open forum. If I insulted them, they deserved it.

“Antisocialistic”

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#823 Dec 28, 2012
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>You're nothing special - you cry just like all the others.

I've got news for you - the "lifers" on this forum will sniff out hypocritical comments like that - always.

You reap what you sew.
I cry not. The lifers can get a life. I'm quaking in my boots.

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#824 Dec 28, 2012
why is it every time i cross your path, prep-for-dep, i find you with your back to the wall... throwing insults as you go? Doesn't it get tiring? Why is it you choose to be so abrasive?

ah, never mind... doesn't matter to me...

sometimes my curiosity gets the best of me!

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#825 Dec 28, 2012
New York murders lowest in 50 years: mayor

The number of murders in New York this year fell to its lowest point in 50 years, mayor Michael Bloomberg said Friday -- a bit of good news as the United States tries to combat rampant gun violence.

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#826 Dec 28, 2012
info:

New York State Police Senior Investigator James Sewell said Dawn Nguyen, of Rochester, faces a state charge of filing a falsified business record.

According to Mr Sewell, the charge relates to the purchase of an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun that Spengler had with him when firefighters Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka were gunned down on Monday.

Three other people were injured before the 62-year-old killed himself.

US attorney William Hochul said Nguyen is alleged to have bought the guns on behalf of Spengler - who as a convicted criminal was barred from possessing weapons - in June 2010.

"She told the seller of these guns, Gander Mountain in Henrietta, New York, that she was to be the true owner and buyer of the guns instead of William Spengler," Mr Hochul said.
DFL Carnage

Minneapolis, MN

#827 Dec 28, 2012
tallyho wrote:
info:
New York State Police Senior Investigator James Sewell said Dawn Nguyen, of Rochester, faces a state charge of filing a falsified business record.
According to Mr Sewell, the charge relates to the purchase of an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun that Spengler had with him when firefighters Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka were gunned down on Monday.
Three other people were injured before the 62-year-old killed himself.
US attorney William Hochul said Nguyen is alleged to have bought the guns on behalf of Spengler - who as a convicted criminal was barred from possessing weapons - in June 2010.
"She told the seller of these guns, Gander Mountain in Henrietta, New York, that she was to be the true owner and buyer of the guns instead of William Spengler," Mr Hochul said.
Ahhhh the old straw buyer method of getting a gun.

Most criminals who want a gun just go to the interactive map of gun owner locations and steal a gun. Some use a straw buyer who lies for the felon to get a gun. Some straw buyers are under a threat of harm to motivate them to buy a gun for a criminal.

Difficult to control criminals.
60s chic

Bethlehem, PA

#828 Dec 28, 2012
"Difficult to control criminals."

And we should endeavor to make it as difficult as possible for criminals to try and control society. Taking assault weapons and similar firearms off the market would be a start.

“Sing a song of 6 pence”

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#829 Dec 28, 2012
IMHO keeping freaks who beat their grandmother to death with a hammer in prison for life (or a death sentence) would be a more practical solution.
*"Spengler spent 17 years in prison for beating his paternal grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980. He had been released from parole on the manslaughter conviction in 2006"*
...He had been released from parole on the manslaughter conviction...
Manslaughter?
It would be interesting to know who the judge and jury were in that case. Wonder if they are feeling a little remorseful?

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#830 Dec 28, 2012
Melody_E wrote:
IMHO keeping freaks who beat their grandmother to death with a hammer in prison for life (or a death sentence) would be a more practical solution.
*"Spengler spent 17 years in prison for beating his paternal grandmother to death with a hammer in 1980. He had been released from parole on the manslaughter conviction in 2006"*
...He had been released from parole on the manslaughter conviction...
Manslaughter?
It would be interesting to know who the judge and jury were in that case. Wonder if they are feeling a little remorseful?
the judge and jury have nothing to do with the charges , be it right or wrong .........

manslaughter means that a death occurred unintentional but did occur .... this is all in my backyard .... how did he get the guns ?????? from a 24 year old female... why does a 24 year old need an AR-15 ????

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#831 Dec 28, 2012
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>
the judge and jury have nothing to do with the charges , be it right or wrong .........
manslaughter means that a death occurred unintentional but did occur .... this is all in my backyard .... how did he get the guns ?????? from a 24 year old female... why does a 24 year old need an AR-15 ????

Interesting points. Have they confirmed that this was not the dead female in his house? Was this 24 year old living in one of the 7 homes that burned down?
Thnx 4 the inf @ J&J not deciding charges. Who 'would' be responsible for that?
Good grief, if say he dropped the hammer from a ladder by accident & hit her in the head, I could see a manslaughter charge; but if she was hit with more than one blow? How on earth?
BTW, am saddened to read that these victims were people you know.(Understanding your emotions and grief) Please accept my heartfelt condolences to you all.

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Poole, UK

#832 Dec 28, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep leave it to a liberal to correct typos and criticize when they have nothing else. I'll be sure to tell autocorrect you are smarter than it, just like I am, but I doubt it will stop changing words.
I really don't care who your posting buddy is, or that you perceived that I insulted them. As you stated, it's an open forum. If I insulted them, they deserved it.
Remarkable how you think you know my politics when I have not posted them here. I have ceased to be surprised by the assumptions stupid people make.

Interesting that you have an autocorrect that changes the word to a wrong one, when mine does not. And no, you are not smater than autocorrect, as if that was the case, you did not spot it. Got an excuse for everything you get wrong, I note.

It was you that whined about people ganging up on you. Now you try to say you don't care. No inconsistency here, glad to note (that was irony, something with which I suspect, you are unfamiliar). Ergo, if I insult you, you deserve it.

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Poole, UK

#833 Dec 28, 2012
DFL Carnage wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhhh the old straw buyer method of getting a gun.
Most criminals who want a gun just go to the interactive map of gun owner locations and steal a gun. Some use a straw buyer who lies for the felon to get a gun. Some straw buyers are under a threat of harm to motivate them to buy a gun for a criminal.
Difficult to control criminals.
Interactive map of gun owners? Goodness me - you know little of the working of your own country. There is no such thing, except in Hollywood's mind. One of the major problems police have in the USA is tracing guns. The ATF has a huge job - even having to go on a paper chase via wholesalers and retailers to trace ownership of weaponry involved in crime.

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for a hamburger today.

#834 Dec 29, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
Interactive map of gun owners? Goodness me - you know little of the working of your own country. There is no such thing, except in Hollywood's mind. One of the major problems police have in the USA is tracing guns.
This map may differ from your opinion.

http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/2012... -

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Poole, UK

#835 Dec 29, 2012
Spokaloonian wrote:
<quoted text>
This map may differ from your opinion.
http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/2012... -
I stand corrected for this particular area. I was trying to locate the article from the US paper that was bemoaning the lack of adequate records for the ATF, causing the police weeks to find the source of a particular weapon used in a crime.

Found it! This is from the NY Times of four days ago:
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/26/atf-handicappe...

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Greensburg, IN

#836 Dec 29, 2012
she should have kept the guns hidden!

“Antisocialistic”

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Lake Charles, LA

#837 Dec 29, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>Remarkable how you think you know my politics when I have not posted them here. I have ceased to be surprised by the assumptions stupid people make.

Interesting that you have an autocorrect that changes the word to a wrong one, when mine does not. And no, you are not smater than autocorrect, as if that was the case, you did not spot it. Got an excuse for everything you get wrong, I note.

It was you that whined about people ganging up on you. Now you try to say you don't care. No inconsistency here, glad to note (that was irony, something with which I suspect, you are unfamiliar). Ergo, if I insult you, you deserve it.
Yeah, your politics aren't hard to figure out.

Well aren't you special. This is. My fourth smart phone that auto corrects with the wrong words frequently.

I wasn't whining, I was explaining, but I knew what your interpretation would be when I wrote it. Sorta like knowing your politics.

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#838 Dec 29, 2012
Melody_E wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting points. Have they confirmed that this was not the dead female in his house? Was this 24 year old living in one of the 7 homes that burned down?
Thnx 4 the inf @ J&J not deciding charges. Who 'would' be responsible for that?
Good grief, if say he dropped the hammer from a ladder by accident & hit her in the head, I could see a manslaughter charge; but if she was hit with more than one blow? How on earth?
BTW, am saddened to read that these victims were people you know.(Understanding your emotions and grief) Please accept my heartfelt condolences to you all.
I can not answer the original charge results , because I don't have the particulars of the case...

the young lady who bought the guns , was arrested in CONN.
why again have no idea why she did ...

they believe his sister was the body found in the house , but they do know she was shot...

since everyone was accounted for ... guess that is it

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#839 Dec 29, 2012
Melody_E wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting points. Have they confirmed that this was not the dead female in his house? Was this 24 year old living in one of the 7 homes that burned down?
Thnx 4 the inf @ J&J not deciding charges. Who 'would' be responsible for that?
Good grief, if say he dropped the hammer from a ladder by accident & hit her in the head, I could see a manslaughter charge; but if she was hit with more than one blow? How on earth?
BTW, am saddened to read that these victims were people you know.(Understanding your emotions and grief) Please accept my heartfelt condolences to you all.
second : part if you walked into a bank and robbed it [that is called intent] that was your sole purpose, but if you shot and killed someone during that robbery , that is manslaughter,,,, it wasn't your intent.......

you walked in to that same bank ,, shot and killed your wife that is called murder you had planned to commit murder that was your intent ..

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#840 Dec 29, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Remarkable how you think you know my politics when I have not posted them here. I have ceased to be surprised by the assumptions stupid people make.
Interesting that you have an autocorrect that changes the word to a wrong one, when mine does not. And no, you are not smater than autocorrect, as if that was the case, you did not spot it. Got an excuse for everything you get wrong, I note.
It was you that whined about people ganging up on you. Now you try to say you don't care. No inconsistency here, glad to note (that was irony, something with which I suspect, you are unfamiliar). Ergo, if I insult you, you deserve it.
Capt you have the delivery of oration of Whinny sir , aaaah
Brits never cease to amaze

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#841 Dec 29, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
I stand corrected for this particular area. I was trying to locate the article from the US paper that was bemoaning the lack of adequate records for the ATF, causing the police weeks to find the source of a particular weapon used in a crime.
Found it! This is from the NY Times of four days ago:
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/26/atf-handicappe...
no sir you are correct Gun laws are a state controlled issue

in his post he did not highlight this INFO:
To create the map, The Journal News submitted Freedom of Information requests for the names and addresses of all pistol permit holders in Westchester, Rockland and Putnam. By state law, the information is public record.

footnote , rifles in most states are exempt from state licensing

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