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#807 Apr 23, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
Common sense as well as several polls tells us that 90% of we the people are in favor of enhanced background checks. Why wouldn't they be? What's to lose? Ninety percent of we the people of the US are NOT paranoid gun-nutters who believe that ANY legislation of guns WILL lead to confiscation. WE the people are too smart for that.
You nutters can create all the socks for Topix that you want but, you are only fooling yourselves when you think you have the numbers or the hearts and minds of the country. When sh!t like the recent vote on "gun safety" goes 'your way', it's only because NRA lobbyists have greased the palms of congressmen to keep making it easier for you paranoid nuts to buy their goods. It's all business. It isn't patriotism, love of country or freedom and only an idiot believes it's God's will. It's just money, chumps.
...The only ideas we can come away with are that the NRA had to be a bit timid here, as it really look's like they have lost that nationwide support, that is denoted by the word,...America, in their handle....i think it seem's the corporate machine, led by the gun manufacturers, as you say.....likely led the way, and controlled the vote......If anyone in this country, had any doubt's about where the true allegience of those in Congress lay.....they don't now.....

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#808 Apr 23, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be inclined to believe the 58% one. I can't IMAGINE 90% of the country going stupid on a emotional whim at the same time. The 4%? Might be a figment somewhere.
It came from here.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/161813/few-guns-im...

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#810 Apr 23, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>The NRA approached this like Grover Norquist bullies congress concerning taxes: "Do what you want but, if you don't vote the way WE want, WE will make sure YOU don't get reelected." Sad. That's nowhere near representing the people and nowhere near what the Founders had in mind.
I may differ slightly with you, in that i think the wiser leadership, within the "corporate" NRA, do realize that they might, should'nt appear to be going head to head with that huge of a percentage of Americans.......no profit, nor future at all in that..........Never underestimate your foe....lol....

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Powellton WV

#811 Apr 23, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>As the Okster just pointed out, it didn't eliminate crime in Australia so, why bother? They really think like that, except when it might involve minorities voting or women having abortions.
Prior to '97, Australia wasn't as violent as the US is but, it was probably on it's way. They realized this and took steps necessary to stop things from getting worse. It worked. Same with the European countries like England that ban guns, as well as Japan. I don't think a total ban is necessary but, when you can'r even get these people to accept that criminals shouldn't be able to get guns, you have to start thinking maybe the government should take them all away. These gun-nutters won't compromise. My God- they see the children murdered at Newtown as "props"! That is disgusting! Those children were not collateral damage in preservation of the 2A.
No, it didn't eliminate crime.
But it did eliminate mass shootings ...to date anyway.
I'd say that's a win in the opinion of everyone.

Drug laws don't work either.
But it's still illegal to buy, sell, and use drugs.
Should we eliminate the drug laws b/c they don't
effective eliminate the problem?

(Actually I think the "war on pot" should be
shut down. But hard core drugs....nah)

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Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#812 Apr 23, 2013
Don't get me wrong.
I own a gun. I'm not for "taking
firearms away" from ppl.
But not selling to mentally ill ppl
or ppl who have been convicted of a
violent crime seems to be common sense.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#817 Apr 24, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>No one is seriously thinking all guns can be taken away.
It could happen some day though. These people act like the 2A is the muscle behind the Constitution. They says it ensures our freedom.
Chuck Schumer.... Diane Fienstien... Michael Bloomberg... Teddy Kennedy(when he was still above ground)... to name a few.

Isn't it?

Doesn't it?

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Right here under my thumb

#818 Apr 24, 2013
Hunglo wrote:
In 1998 Massachusetts passed what was then the toughest gun laws in the country. Since 1998 legal gun ownership in MA is down 85%. Between 1998 and 2011 gun related murder went up 53%, robbery with a firearm jumped about 21% and aggravated assaults increased by 27%.
Keep an eye on what happens in CT over the next 5 years and then tell me that tougher gun laws are the answer.
Here's the rub - banning guns or adopting stiffer gun laws in one area surrounded by states, cities or counties that do not have those same laws is useless to say the least. Chicago is a great example - all you have to do is drive outside the city limits to legally buy a gun. But yet the "nutters" will continue to use these as examples that stiffer gun laws don't work.

I'm not a criminal nor do I live in Chicago - and I can figure that one out.

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is not the way to pay old ones

#819 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the rub - banning guns or adopting stiffer gun laws in one area surrounded by states, cities or counties that do not have those same laws is useless to say the least. Chicago is a great example - all you have to do is drive outside the city limits to legally buy a gun. But yet the "nutters" will continue to use these as examples that stiffer gun laws don't work.
I'm not a criminal nor do I live in Chicago - and I can figure that one out.
Ban the guns nationwide and criminals will bring in guns from outside the US. How hard would it be for the mexican drug cartells to expand their "product line"?

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#820 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Chicago is a great example - all you have to do is drive outside the city limits to legally buy a gun. But yet the "nutters" will continue to use these as examples that stiffer gun laws don't work.
I'm not a criminal nor do I live in Chicago - and I can figure that one out.
So? The laws are still enforceable within Chicago city limits. Why not try something NOVEL....? ENFORCE the existing gun(or rather,ANTI-GUN laws)and see how THAT works before you enact MORE redudndant gunlaws...

While personally I really enjoy shooting my .31 Colt's pocket pistol 5 shot revolver,in light of TODAYS confratations I'd rather rely on my 1911.

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#821 Apr 24, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>So? The laws are still enforceable within Chicago city limits. Why not try something NOVEL....? ENFORCE the existing gun(or rather,ANTI-GUN laws)and see how THAT works before you enact MORE redudndant gunlaws...
While personally I really enjoy shooting my .31 Colt's pocket pistol 5 shot revolver,in light of TODAYS confratations I'd rather rely on my 1911.
I don't live in Tombstone or an old western movie, so I don't need to carry a gun with me 24-7. I'm not paranoid to a point where I fear for my life 24 hours a day. I own guns - I just don't need to use tham as a security blanket or a testosterone booster.

You're overlooking the obvious - Chicago has the second largest police force in the United States but yet is one of the most violent cities in America. Wanna know why? Chicago is the most mis-managed city in the US. My neice graduated from Chicago University - she has a bumper sticker on her car that reads, "Illinois - our governors make our license plates." Making it easy for the criminals to get guns is not a law's or legislation's fault. It takes a buy in from the top down. Although as a footnote, Chicago's murder rate has dropped drastically in 2013 as compare to 2012.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story...

Making manditory background checks federally mandated is a start. It wouldn't stop law abiding citizens from buying firearms legally. But it would make it more difficult for the bad guys to get their hands on guns. It's never been tried on a federal level before so we don't know what we don't know.

Simply stating it would never work is a guess, not a fact.

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#822 Apr 24, 2013
if you have to carry , you are looking for trouble.. if you draw while facing a gun pointed at you..... you should be shot..

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Orion's Belt

#823 Apr 24, 2013
The have died in shame:(or show)

Boston bomb suspect's aunt: Mosque won't bury Tamerlan Tsarnaev

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17...

Members of The Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, Mass., which the brothers attended, have been questioned by FBI agents, Yusufi Vali, a spokesman for the mosque said Tuesday.

Asked on Tuesday whether his mosque would conduct the burial, he told reporters: "That's a decision that we'd leave up to a scholar. This one is complex because the things that this guy did were just absolutely disgraceful."

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#824 Apr 24, 2013
...At least it is refreshing to see, anyone from within the muslim society criticize one of their own, for their barbaric terrorist acts.....How ironic, that the parent's got the two boys to the safety of the United States......

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#825 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't live in Tombstone or an old western movie, so I don't need to carry a gun with me 24-7. I'm not paranoid to a point where I fear for my life 24 hours a day. I own guns - I just don't need to use tham as a security blanket or a testosterone booster.
You're overlooking the obvious - Chicago has the second largest police force in the United States but yet is one of the most violent cities in America. Wanna know why? Chicago is the most mis-managed city in the US. My neice graduated from Chicago University - she has a bumper sticker on her car that reads, "Illinois - our governors make our license plates." Making it easy for the criminals to get guns is not a law's or legislation's fault. It takes a buy in from the top down. Although as a footnote, Chicago's murder rate has dropped drastically in 2013 as compare to 2012.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story...
Making manditory background checks federally mandated is a start. It wouldn't stop law abiding citizens from buying firearms legally. But it would make it more difficult for the bad guys to get their hands on guns. It's never been tried on a federal level before so we don't know what we don't know.
Simply stating it would never work is a guess, not a fact.
I agree with a national background check, I would even go as far as a federal Firearms ID card so that anyone who wishes to own a gun could apply for the card once, have a background check done and then be able to buy guns at will anywhere in the country. Assign a fee for getting the card that pays for the background check and be done with it. How many dollars are wasted performing background checks every time a current gun owner buys a new gun? The card can then be revoked if the holder commits a crime.

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Orion's Belt

#826 Apr 24, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
The have died in shame:(or show)
Boston bomb suspect's aunt: Mosque won't bury Tamerlan Tsarnaev
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17...
Members of The Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, Mass., which the brothers attended, have been questioned by FBI agents, Yusufi Vali, a spokesman for the mosque said Tuesday.
Asked on Tuesday whether his mosque would conduct the burial, he told reporters: "That's a decision that we'd leave up to a scholar. This one is complex because the things that this guy did were just absolutely disgraceful."
Finishing a thought never hurt, just takes time.

I meant to say. "The older brother have died in shame...."

But, you got what I was winging at!

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Greensburg, IN

#827 Apr 24, 2013
M69 wrote: we don't know what we don't know.

#And that's the way Obama wants to keep it!

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#828 Apr 24, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
M69 wrote: we don't know what we don't know.
#And that's the way Obama wants to keep it!
Sorry, perhap's you will fare better in the next election....tho, it's doubtful.....

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#829 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't live in Tombstone or an old western movie, so I don't need to carry a gun with me 24-7. I'm not paranoid to a point where I fear for my life 24 hours a day. I own guns - I just don't need to use tham as a security blanket or a testosterone booster.
You're overlooking the obvious - Chicago has the second largest police force in the United States but yet is one of the most violent cities in America. Wanna know why? Chicago is the most mis-managed city in the US. My neice graduated from Chicago University - she has a bumper sticker on her car that reads, "Illinois - our governors make our license plates." Making it easy for the criminals to get guns is not a law's or legislation's fault. It takes a buy in from the top down. Although as a footnote, Chicago's murder rate has dropped drastically in 2013 as compare to 2012.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story...
Making manditory background checks federally mandated is a start. It wouldn't stop law abiding citizens from buying firearms legally. But it would make it more difficult for the bad guys to get their hands on guns. It's never been tried on a federal level before so we don't know what we don't know.
Simply stating it would never work is a guess, not a fact.
Don't want to carry? Don't. Period. But as a RIGHT,DARE don't infringe on MY option to carry........PERIOD...It IS a right....PERIOD....

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Orion's Belt

#830 Apr 24, 2013
Facts and fiction about guns:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/artic...

Since we are slamming our 'rights' on the table.

I have a right to enjoy and smoke my damn cigarettes. Period!

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Orion's Belt

#831 Apr 24, 2013
Hummm....: Manchester, Illinois shooting: 5 dead, one injured

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/377071/3/5-d...

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