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#758 Apr 22, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
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What the hell, Ferre, are you Chinese?
Buddy, you best be backing that thar' statement of yours up! Show me proof that the owners of the fertilizer plant were responsible.
Bring on the links.
What a goonish accusation.
You need no links to say that the owners of the fertilizer plant were "responsible." They own it, don't they? Sadly, fertilizer plants are inherently unsafe, under ideal circumstances. So they also have a tendency of blowing up, with little encouragement.

Time and forensic work by experts will ultimately determine the cause of the explosion and if the owners negligently and/or purposefully operated it unsafely. For the sake of the victims, their families and friends and the owners, I hope they didn't.
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#759 Apr 22, 2013
tallyho wrote:
hint this is a give away...^^^
what are you pointing at pops???

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#760 Apr 22, 2013
Chilli J wrote:
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You need no links to say that the owners of the fertilizer plant were "responsible." They own it, don't they? Sadly, fertilizer plants are inherently unsafe, under ideal circumstances. So they also have a tendency of blowing up, with little encouragement.
Time and forensic work by experts will ultimately determine the cause of the explosion and if the owners negligently and/or purposefully operated it unsafely. For the sake of the victims, their families and friends and the owners, I hope they didn't.
With Rick Perry and Texas being big players in the deregulation of business, it's hard not to look at the owners. It's likely all about greed and pushing limits for profits. We'll know with an investigation. But, with horrific events like that and regular pipeline spills, it's insane for even the dumbest teabagger to think deregulation or dismantling of the EPA, OSHA etc. could be a good thing for we the people.

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#761 Apr 22, 2013
you asked me that on the 2nd amendment thread

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#762 Apr 22, 2013
Chilli J wrote:
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You need no links to say that the owners of the fertilizer plant were "responsible." They own it, don't they? Sadly, fertilizer plants are inherently unsafe, under ideal circumstances. So they also have a tendency of blowing up, with little encouragement.
Time and forensic work by experts will ultimately determine the cause of the explosion and if the owners negligently and/or purposefully operated it unsafely. For the sake of the victims, their families and friends and the owners, I hope they didn't.
Then, it is a wait and see.
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>With Rick Perry and Texas being big players in the deregulation of business, it's hard not to look at the owners. It's likely all about greed and pushing limits for profits. We'll know with an investigation. But, with horrific events like that and regular pipeline spills, it's insane for even the dumbest teabagger to think deregulation or dismantling of the EPA, OSHA etc. could be a good thing for we the people.
Why so absolute, Ferrer?

I am going to remain optimistic about the owners. And pessimistic about another religious fanatic doing it.

Time will tell.

It is all ...food for thought.
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#763 Apr 22, 2013
tallyho wrote:
you asked me that on the 2nd amendment thread
boyohboyohboy

ok

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#765 Apr 23, 2013
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The White House says the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing will not be tried as an enemy combatant in a military tribunal.
Do you know why?

2004 rules for Combatant Status Review Tribunals
‘Enemy combatant’ shall mean an individual who was part of or supporting Taliban or al Qaeda forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. This includes any person who has committed belligerent act or has directly supported hostilities in aid of enemy combat forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant#...

On March 13, 2009 United States Attorney General Eric Holder issued a statement that the United States had abandoned the Bush administration term "enemy combatant".

These two were not Taliban or Al Qaeda. They were US citizens and as such cannot be tried as an enemy combatant or enemy of the US in a military tribunal.

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#766 Apr 23, 2013
Chilli J wrote:
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You need no links to say that the owners of the fertilizer plant were "responsible." They own it, don't they? Sadly, fertilizer plants are inherently unsafe, under ideal circumstances. So they also have a tendency of blowing up, with little encouragement.
Time and forensic work by experts will ultimately determine the cause of the explosion and if the owners negligently and/or purposefully operated it unsafely. For the sake of the victims, their families and friends and the owners, I hope they didn't.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17...

"'Red flag': Texas plant had 1,350 times amount of chemical that would trigger oversight"

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#767 Apr 23, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Do you know why?
2004 rules for Combatant Status Review Tribunals
‘Enemy combatant’ shall mean an individual who was part of or supporting Taliban or al Qaeda forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. This includes any person who has committed belligerent act or has directly supported hostilities in aid of enemy combat forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant#...
On March 13, 2009 United States Attorney General Eric Holder issued a statement that the United States had abandoned the Bush administration term "enemy combatant".
These two were not Taliban or Al Qaeda. They were US citizens and as such cannot be tried as an enemy combatant or enemy of the US in a military tribunal.
I see.

Amazing!

So when reading this, I guess I should just shrug it off, right?

"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon twin bombings, is actively cooperating with investigators, according to various reports, and telling them his older brother, Tamerlan, organized the attack to defend Islam".

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Reports_Bom...

For God's sake, Milwaukee, what ever happened to 'treason' while at war?

Treason= The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

By the way, thank you for the info.

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#768 Apr 23, 2013
JG OP Redux wrote:
who am I now?
Hello JG, Hahaha - some think I am you. Imagine that!
Not posting much these days, Ha?

Forty six of the injured have gone home from hospital.
Wonder what will happen to that nineteen year old?

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#769 Apr 23, 2013
JG OP Redux wrote:
who am I now?
Gumby?
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#770 Apr 23, 2013
JG OP Redux wrote:
who am I now?
I couldn't care less

jg was nothing so you are too

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#771 Apr 23, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>The owners of that fertilizer plant in Texas killed more people than the brothers in Boston and they are not being called enemy combatants.
I just read this: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/texas-explos...

Now, find me a link that states differently. One that states the owners were/are negligent. A valid site, please.
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#772 Apr 23, 2013
JG OP Redux wrote:
who am I now?
Sup, Pie?

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#773 Apr 23, 2013
Going to throw this in for thought:(even if it is Fox news)

In 2001, an explosion at a chemical and fertilizer plant killed 31 people and injured more than 2,000 in Toulouse, France. The blast occurred in a hangar containing 300 tons of ammonium nitrate, which can be used for both fertilizer and explosives. The explosion came 10 days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the U.S., and raised fears at the time it was linked. A 2006 report blamed the blast on negligence.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/20/numerous...

Once, oh...okay. Twice...hummmm....
And that is exactly what I'm talking about.

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#775 Apr 23, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
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I see.
Amazing!
So when reading this, I guess I should just shrug it off, right?
"Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the surviving 19-year-old suspect in the Boston Marathon twin bombings, is actively cooperating with investigators, according to various reports, and telling them his older brother, Tamerlan, organized the attack to defend Islam".
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Reports_Bom...
For God's sake, Milwaukee, what ever happened to 'treason' while at war?
Treason= The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
By the way, thank you for the info.
If they were Muslims, they weren't very good ones - they were even kicked out of their neighborhood mosque. As for extremists, maybe - but again, they were US citizens. Even the Taliban didn't want anything to do with them. Chechnian rebels attack Russia, not the United States.

Just one last question - what country were they aiding? Not Chechya, nor any Muslim countries.

Treason is a wartime charge. We are not at war with any country.

This kid will fry - in a federal prison.

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#776 Apr 23, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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If they were Muslims, they weren't very good ones - they were even kicked out of their neighborhood mosque. As for extremists, maybe - but again, they were US citizens. Even the Taliban didn't want anything to do with them. Chechnian rebels attack Russia, not the United States.
Just one last question - what country were they aiding? Not Chechya, nor any Muslim countries.
Treason is a wartime charge. We are not at war with any country.
This kid will fry - in a federal prison.
Jesus, Mil, what a slippery slope. Now that you mention it, we are not at 'war' with any country. Just are blowing up folk for the hell of it...aye?

Where did you read about the Taliban not wanting anything with them?

One can only hope on justice. Ya know....

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#777 Apr 23, 2013
DC tells it like it is wrote:
Speaking of getting screwed:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Dershowitz-I...
Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz tells Newsmax that federal investigators will be on “shaky constitutional grounds” if they try to interrogate the surviving Boston Marathon bombing suspect without first reading him his Miranda rights, and that there is no “absolutely” no grounds to hold the suspect as an enemy combatant.
Speaking in an exclusive interview, Dershowitz said that, while he personally likes Sens. Lindsey Graham and John McCain,“they absolutely should go back to school and study their constitutional law” if they persist in calling for 19-year-old terror suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to be held as an enemy combatant.
...He is correct as usual....the older brother, may have been classified that way...had he survived.....And he is correct about Graham and McCain, who both lead with their mouths, not their brains and have learned to love TV camera's, a bit too much.....also Darrel Issa.....

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#778 Apr 23, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>There's a clown and several *Sams* here who fit that treason definition and are secretly glad they won't one day be tried as "enemy combatants" and be forced to live at that socialist paradise in Cuba known as "Gitmo". Just sayin'...
~chuckles~ Silly ass.

Is a good thing ...not too many pixels can be put in prison. Or they would need a bigger prison.

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#779 Apr 23, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>...He is correct as usual....the older brother, may have been classified that way...had he survived.....And he is correct about Graham and McCain, who both lead with their mouths, not their brains and have learned to love TV camera's, a bit too much.....also Darrel Issa.....
Thank the Gods...McCain didn't get office. Right!

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