LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Williamston, MI

#23 Apr 12, 2014
A Thought wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you just move to a different country? All you ever do is complain.
thats why our ancestors came to America, so we could complain, don'tcha love it

“No time like the present”

Since: Jul 08

to make it happen!

#24 Apr 12, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>just cralin out of hibernation
It's been a hard, cold winter..
Sam

Lebanon, OH

#25 Apr 12, 2014
House Teapublican wrote:
That land, like our so-called *national parks*(more like commie/socialist/muslim parks!!!!) should be sold to wealthy developers and oil speculators! In MY AMERICA, the only thing Yellowstone lacks is condos and oil rigs!!
Deer Whisperer wrote:
Except for the fact that armed nutballs are congregating to support Bundy'n'nem, what's been posted so far is a huge pile of bull-crap.
The real poop:
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Nevada statehood Oct. 1864
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-ranch...
What began as a legal fight between longtime rancher Cliven Bundy and the U.S. Bureau of Land Management has escalated as Bundy has refused to keep his cattle off the federal land, and the government has responded by beginning roundups of the cows.
In the wake of the publicized protests, members of various militia groups have been traveling from Virginia, Texas, Montana, Idaho and Wisconsin and arriving at the protest site and Bundy's ranch to support the family, said Stephen L. Dean, 45, of Utah, a member of one such group called the Peoples United Mobile Armed Services.
"It's tyranny in government," Dean said when asked what brought him to Nevada.
And, he added, "stealing people's cattle."
One banner at the protest side stated: "Has the West been won? Or has the fight just begun!"
In removing Bundy's livestock from public lands, the park service and land bureau are carrying out two U.S. District Court orders from two different judges.
"Cattle have been grazing in trespass on public lands in Southern Nevada for more than two decades," the National Park Service said. "The BLM and NPS have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort."
Added the BLM: "Mr. Bundy has also failed to comply with multiple court orders to remove his cattle from the federal lands and to end the illegal trespass."
The bureau does allow grazing on federal lands -- it administers 18,000 grazing permits and leases on 157 million acres across the country, the agency said.
Bundy's dispute with the government began about 1993 when the bureau changed grazing rules for the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area to protect an endangered desert tortoise, KLAS reported.
Bundy refused to abide by the changes and stopped paying his grazing fees to the federal bureau, which he contends is infringing on state rights.
CBS News reports that Bundy has lost decisions in *** state *** and federal courts. Also, he owes over $1 million dollars in fees.
Claiming states' rights is a loser. It's been federal land for a long time. He's also going with "liberty/freedom" and that's from a strictly selfish stance.
Why doesn't he take it to the U.S. Supreme Court?
1. This land is NOT just "his" land. This is OUR land... WE own it.
2. He's been a moocher and law-breaker since 1993. He needs to pay his debt.
3. The National Guard should be mobilized under state and/or federal authority because of the decisions of the respective levels of court authority. Nutballs interfering should be dealt with accordingly ... as proper as the law allows.
4. If necessary, military should assist. It's federal land. It's federal law. Remember: Army helped with federal land in the west in the old days. Army helped desegregate schools in the 1950s to over-ride the "liberty" of southern "patriots".
If taken to the ultimate conclusion, it would be justice to facilitate what land to which he does have title and rights, and give back to the Native Americans who preceded his ancestors and any other previous owners.
Stupid communistfaggots....

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Since: Mar 14

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#26 Apr 12, 2014
Deer Whisperer wrote:
Except for the fact that armed nutballs are congregating to support Bundy'n'nem, what's been posted so far is a huge pile of bull-crap.
The real poop:
----------
Nevada statehood Oct. 1864
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-ranch...
What began as a legal fight between longtime rancher Cliven Bundy and the U.S. Bureau of Land Management has escalated as Bundy has refused to keep his cattle off the federal land, and the government has responded by beginning roundups of the cows.
In the wake of the publicized protests, members of various militia groups have been traveling from Virginia, Texas, Montana, Idaho and Wisconsin and arriving at the protest site and Bundy's ranch to support the family, said Stephen L. Dean, 45, of Utah, a member of one such group called the Peoples United Mobile Armed Services.
"It's tyranny in government," Dean said when asked what brought him to Nevada.
And, he added, "stealing people's cattle."
One banner at the protest side stated: "Has the West been won? Or has the fight just begun!"
In removing Bundy's livestock from public lands, the park service and land bureau are carrying out two U.S. District Court orders from two different judges.
"Cattle have been grazing in trespass on public lands in Southern Nevada for more than two decades," the National Park Service said. "The BLM and NPS have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort."
Added the BLM: "Mr. Bundy has also failed to comply with multiple court orders to remove his cattle from the federal lands and to end the illegal trespass."
The bureau does allow grazing on federal lands -- it administers 18,000 grazing permits and leases on 157 million acres across the country, the agency said.
Bundy's dispute with the government began about 1993 when the bureau changed grazing rules for the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area to protect an endangered desert tortoise, KLAS reported.
Bundy refused to abide by the changes and stopped paying his grazing fees to the federal bureau, which he contends is infringing on state rights.
CBS News reports that Bundy has lost decisions in *** state *** and federal courts. Also, he owes over $1 million dollars in fees.
Claiming states' rights is a loser. It's been federal land for a long time. He's also going with "liberty/freedom" and that's from a strictly selfish stance.
Why doesn't he take it to the U.S. Supreme Court?
1. This land is NOT just "his" land. This is OUR land... WE own it.
2. He's been a moocher and law-breaker since 1993. He needs to pay his debt.
3. The National Guard should be mobilized under state and/or federal authority because of the decisions of the respective levels of court authority. Nutballs interfering should be dealt with accordingly ... as proper as the law allows.
4. If necessary, military should assist. It's federal land. It's federal law. Remember: Army helped with federal land in the west in the old days. Army helped desegregate schools in the 1950s to over-ride the "liberty" of southern "patriots".
If taken to the ultimate conclusion, it would be justice to facilitate what land to which he does have title and rights, and give back to the Native Americans who preceded his ancestors and any other previous owners.
Well thank heavens for the militias... Good to know someone is sticking up for what is right....
Uncle Sam

Columbus, OH

#27 Apr 12, 2014
The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year's level.

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Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#29 Apr 13, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>thats why our ancestors came to America, so we could complain, don'tcha love it
That's a "KEEPER" Lim!
*=* FACT!!! Some people will always find something to complain about.*=*

I 'stick' to government...

“*Merry Christmas*”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#30 Apr 13, 2014
"We're not anti-turtle, but we are pro-logic and tradition."
farmer

Mclean, VA

#31 Apr 13, 2014
The government has said the cattle round-up was a “last resort” to enforce court orders ruling that Bundy has failed to pay more than $1 million in fees since 1993 for his cattle to graze on public land. Forcing him either to pay or to give up his cattle is a matter of fairness to the 16,000 ranchers who do follow the rules, U.S. officials say.

The 68-year-old father of 14 has argued in court that his ancestors worked the land since the 1880s, long before the BLM was formed, giving him rights that predate federal involvement. He says he only owes about $300,000.

Nearly 400 of the cattle had been seized during the past week. They were being held nearby and could be sent to Utah, authorities said. Bundy says the cattle are worth about $1000 each

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Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#32 Apr 13, 2014
I wonder how much that little debogal costs taxpayers?

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Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#33 Apr 13, 2014
Probably around $300,000 dollars...
'not counting the cattle rustlers'
farmer

Mclean, VA

#34 Apr 13, 2014
What gives him the right to use public land for free when everybody else has to pay? His Royal bloodline?
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Munith, MI

#35 Apr 13, 2014
BLM could be called PINKERTON
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Munith, MI

#36 Apr 13, 2014
Americans more likely to be killed by police than by terrorists

#t=168
farmer

Mclean, VA

#38 Apr 13, 2014
While some might harbor fears of dying from a lightning strike or shark attack, the cause of your ultimate demise is likely to be much less conspicuous.

Here are the top 10 leading causes of death in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The data are based on deaths in 2007, the most recent year for which statistics are available.

http://www.livescience.com/35385-top-10-leadi...
farmer

Mclean, VA

#39 Apr 13, 2014
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a "KEEPER" Lim!
*=* FACT!!! Some people will always find something to complain about.*=*
I 'stick' to government...
Republicans have a better than 80 percent chance of winning the Senate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/w...

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#40 Apr 13, 2014
farmer wrote:
What gives him the right to use public land for free when everybody else has to pay? His Royal bloodline?
I'm not surprised that a farmer sees the unfairness and Bundy's duplicity in this fiasco:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr/06/r...
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By Alan O’Neill
I have been following the news on the proposed roundup of Cliven Bundy’s cattle that are grazing illegally on federal lands in Gold Butte managed on behalf of the public by the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service.

I am familiar with the situation, as I served as superintendent of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area for the National Park Service from 1987 to 2000. In 1993, we reduced the number of cows that could be grazed on the Bunkerville allotment to 150 because of the emergency listing of the desert tortoise as an endangered species.

Because Bundy refused to remove his cattle to meet the 150 level and ignored repeated requests to do so, his permit was canceled in 1994 and the allotment was closed to grazing.

As the news coverage has reported, Bundy continues to graze his cattle and has refused to pay the BLM a grazing fee. The figure he owes the government exceeds $300,000. The estimate of cattle being grazed illegally since 1994 on the old Bunkerville allotment have ranged from 550 to more than 900.

It is unfathomable to me that 20 years after the Bunkerville allotment was canceled in 1994, we are still wrestling with getting his cattle off the range. And there were issues of overgrazing that allotment before 1994. It is my opinion that the BLM and the Park Service have done everything possible administratively to try to resolve the issue amicably. In addition, there are two federal court rulings upholding the agencies’ position, and the most recent ruling demanded Bundy not physically interfere with any seizure or impoundment operation.

Bundy is a bully who has used his threat of a range war and to do “whatever it takes” to stop the government from impounding his cattle to scare public officials.

The implications are that he would resort to a gunbattle. And who wants to see another Waco? I was one of those public officials who were told to back off at one point because of concern for violence.

What Bundy is doing is a criminal act, and he should be accountable for his actions rather than be held up as a hero fighting the federal government.

Most of the grazing permit holders on public land are good stewards and law-abiding citizens, and Bundy is doing them a disservice with his actions. He is a perfect example of someone who publicly states that he abhors the federal government but who relies on it for his welfare.

He is grazing free on the public’s land to the detriment of the environment and the honest taxpayers who support his welfare lifestyle.

What if other people decide that they are also going to do whatever they want on federal land regardless of the law and stake claims to that right? A civil society has to have some rules and laws or we would have total chaos.

Bundy has no guaranteed rights on federal land. He only has rights to what he owns privately, yet when you hear him talk, he considers that he has some intergenerational rights to use more than 158,000 acres as he sees fit. And this is some of the most beautiful and important public land in America. What a deal. Wouldn’t any of us like to have such rights?

I am hopeful that the BLM and the Park Service stand strong and conduct the roundup as needed and not be bullied by someone who seems inclined to continue to break the law and brag about it as “the last cowboy standing.” What a warped self-perception and view of his contribution to humanity.

Alan O’Neill is a former superintendent of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. He lives in Southern Nevada.
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“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#41 Apr 13, 2014
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>Stupid communistfaggots....
Yeah. You can be counted on to make the most insightful comments. So in kind:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/13/1291...

Suggestion 1: Put aside whatever you're doing in you "so-called life", pick up your firearms and "go west young man" to support that cheater, that deadbeat.

Suggestion 2: Leave your camouflage at home.

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#42 Apr 13, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
philosophical, thats what I meant
As corrected that specific statement is the truest, most relevant, one you've made regarding "hero" Bundy's predicament.
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Munith, MI

#43 Apr 13, 2014
hero?

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#44 Apr 13, 2014
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/11/3...
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This conflict arises out of rancher Cliven Bundy’s many years of illegally grazing his cattle on federal lands. In 1998, a federal court ordered Bundy to cease grazing his livestock on an area of federal land known as the Bunkerville Allotment, and required him to pay the federal government $200 per day per head of cattle remaining on federal lands. Around the time it issued this order, the court also commented that “[t]he government has shown commendable restraint in allowing this trespass to continue for so long without impounding Bundy’s livestock.” Fifteen years later, Bundy continued to defy this court order.

Last October, the federal government returned to court and obtained a new order, providing that “Bundy shall remove his livestock from the former Bunkerville Allotment within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.”

****** A third federal court order issued the same year explains that Bundy did not simply refuse to stop trespassing on federal lands — he actually expanded the range of his trespassing. According to the third order,“Bundy’s cattle have moved beyond the boundaries of the Bunkerville Allotment and are now trespassing on a broad swath of additional federal land (the “New Trespass Lands”), including public lands within the Gold Butte area that are administered by the BLM, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area.” The third order also authorizes the federal government to “impound any of Bundy’s cattle that remain in trespass.”

Bundy, for his part, claims that “our Constitution didn’t provide for anything like the federal government owning this land.” He’s wrong. The Constitution provides that “[t]he Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States.”

****[This is REALLY what Bundy is all about:]

[update] Bundy still isn’t satisfied:

Rancher Cliven Bundy demanded of sheriff Doug Gillespie that all national park service employees working on the cattle roundup operation be disarmed before 10:45 a.m.

He gave Gillespie one hour to comply, and added for the firearms to be brought to him. The demand comes on the heels of the Bureau of Land Management pulling the plug on the roundup due to safety concerns.
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While family members were blogging about a call-to-arms for the armed whackjobs to come to "mecca".

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