Just Me

Boise, ID

#44 Feb 8, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
How will they contact their drug dealer? If they don't have a free phone to call their drug dealer they will resort to crime, steal one, possibly end up in prison and we'll spend 45k a year on incarceration expenses. Just ask Victoria .. She's already thought of this scenario. Clearly our only recourse is to give free phones to folks so they can call drug dealers. Do you wanna spend $100 on a phone or 45k on prison? The choice is clear! <sarcasm>
In fact, maybe if we should just give away free drugs to poor people since that would be cheaper than imprisoning people who commit crimes to support their habit. NOT ONLY THAT, but anyone who has ever smoked pot and has been jonsing and been told by their dealer that they are out but are getting some shyte in a week ... only to find out that come a week the mo f'ing dealer isnt answering his phone cause he didnt get hooked up knows how frustrating that is... Its not even fair to do that to someone such as ME! But to do that to innocent victims of society, i.e. poor people borders on abuse.... its almost like some people hate them and want them to suffer and jones!! When you really think about it and channel your inner Ferr, it's illogical not to give away free drugs. I rest my case.
Naw I think niether. I think a good 'ol .50 bullet will do for most. <sarcasm>

Talk about jonsing, I'm retired and have to decide if I need my meds or if I want to eat.

In other words, I'm tired of paying for these worthless assholes that will not get off their ass and get a job!
Just Me

Boise, ID

#45 Feb 9, 2013
Hell lets all just watch the infomercial about getting "Free Money"

Only thing is someone has to pay for this shit and sure as hell isn't the welfare mom (or dad) gangbanger or illegal alien.

Here's a clue....
It's those of us that have worked for 40+ years

“Raising hell since 1989”

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#46 Feb 9, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
How much does it cost to drug test all the truckers in this country? Maybe we shouldn't do that.
I don't know what the chemicals cost that are involved in follicle testing, but I have to think its not cost prohibitive and done by the state as opposed by a private company. Also follicle testing detects everything ... Maybe do some research instead of spouting off.
Now you are just being silly! Maybe you should take your own advice and do some research yourself.
Of course truck drivers should be tested. Anyone in a job that could endanger peoples lives by causing an accident due to being UI should take the test.
Maybe we should start testing school kids also. What do you think?
Do you think that testing people on welfare is going to be less expensive?
Think again! These tests cost money. People have to be paid to carry out the test, there is the risk of false positives. Do you eat poppy seed buns? If you do, you run the risk of testing positive for opiates!
If someone would be found to have drugs in their system, then what? Stop their money, they get made homeless, their kids are taken in to care, they may even turn to crime and end up in prison. Who do you think will pay for that? The money fairies?
It is FACT! Carrying out drug tests will cost the tax payer more money and not benefit anyone. Maybe we should consider burning all druggies at the stake. Wouldn't you agree? Or maybe, we should be trying to help them get off the drugs and turn their lives around for a better future for themselves and their children. Most addicts don't enjoy being controlled by drugs, they just need to be shown a way forward. Taking their welfare away will not help anybody.

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#47 Feb 9, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got it all figured out. If folks on welfare are tested for drugs they will naturally not forgo such behavior and instead will lose their welfare and turn to crime and go to prison. That's about as well thought out as your statement about passing a drug test in Colorado, considering regardless of what Colorado law is, smoking weed is still illegal at the federal level and the Feds are who fund entitlements, for the most part.
drug addicts will not forgo such behavior even if when the drugs bring them to the brink of death.

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Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#48 Feb 9, 2013
'Maliciousness wrote: Who do you think is going to pay for these drug tests?
((Welfare recipient pays initially, if they pass they're reimbursed))
It will cost more tax payers' money to do the tests which will not be successful as most of the hard drugs are out of somebody's system within 3 days apart from cannabis which takes months to get out of your body.
((Tests will be at random-since they're on welfare they are available on a days notice-a day or 2 after they get their checks would be a good start))
The only way around this is to test someone every 2 days! That's completely ridiculous. How much is that going to cost the tax payer?
((How much can the tax payer save by cutting welfare costs))
Once it becomes law and word gets around that alone will probably save more than the testing will cost, rather than go to jail they'll just drop out of the system. The only hope is they'll destroy themselves before we catch up with them and they end up back on the tax payers dollar.
PS: could put'm on cheese & rice like it was to begin with.LMAO

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#49 Feb 9, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
'Maliciousness wrote: Who do you think is going to pay for these drug tests?
((Welfare recipient pays initially, if they pass they're reimbursed))
It will cost more tax payers' money to do the tests which will not be successful as most of the hard drugs are out of somebody's system within 3 days apart from cannabis which takes months to get out of your body.
((Tests will be at random-since they're on welfare they are available on a days notice-a day or 2 after they get their checks would be a good start))
The only way around this is to test someone every 2 days! That's completely ridiculous. How much is that going to cost the tax payer?
((How much can the tax payer save by cutting welfare costs))
Once it becomes law and word gets around that alone will probably save more than the testing will cost, rather than go to jail they'll just drop out of the system. The only hope is they'll destroy themselves before we catch up with them and they end up back on the tax payers dollar.
PS: could put'm on cheese & rice like it was to begin with.LMAO
Let me try and understand, there is the war vet with ptsd, who can't hold down a job, has a drinking and drug problem because he can't afford the meds to treat the ptsd fails a test that would give him the few dollars he needs to eat, puts him out on the street, homeless, and you want this person to destroy himself rather than get help?

Or maybe the 22 year old girl from North Dakota, who's boyfriend said he loves her, would care for her and they would grow old together, totally bails on her when she gets pregnant. Now, g-d forbid should she get an abortion, that's an evil sin. So she's left to try an raise her child on her own, can't find affordable day care, so has no other choice but to seek help. Then one day after all the stresses of being a single parent, barely being able to pay the rent, she blows off some steam and smokes a joint with her friends on a Friday night. Yes, let's hope she destroys herself. Then the child can be taken away and put in foster care, because that doesn't cost you anything, right?

“So many loons”

Level 8

Since: Sep 12

so little time!!

#50 Feb 9, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me try and understand, there is the war vet with ptsd, who can't hold down a job, has a drinking and drug problem because he can't afford the meds to treat the ptsd fails a test that would give him the few dollars he needs to eat, puts him out on the street, homeless, and you want this person to destroy himself rather than get help?
Or maybe the 22 year old girl from North Dakota, who's boyfriend said he loves her, would care for her and they would grow old together, totally bails on her when she gets pregnant. Now, g-d forbid should she get an abortion, that's an evil sin. So she's left to try an raise her child on her own, can't find affordable day care, so has no other choice but to seek help. Then one day after all the stresses of being a single parent, barely being able to pay the rent, she blows off some steam and smokes a joint with her friends on a Friday night. Yes, let's hope she destroys herself. Then the child can be taken away and put in foster care, because that doesn't cost you anything, right?
Nice emotional spin...lol!

If you want the public to take care of you..go to the street corner with a sign that says, "will work for food" "hungry vet"

There's a million suckers out there.

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Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#51 Feb 9, 2013
Life's a butnh!

“Proud White Woman for life!”

Level 8

Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#52 Feb 9, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me try and understand, there is the war vet with ptsd, who can't hold down a job, has a drinking and drug problem because he can't afford the meds to treat the ptsd fails a test that would give him the few dollars he needs to eat, puts him out on the street, homeless, and you want this person to destroy himself rather than get help?
Or maybe the 22 year old girl from North Dakota, who's boyfriend said he loves her, would care for her and they would grow old together, totally bails on her when she gets pregnant. Now, g-d forbid should she get an abortion, that's an evil sin. So she's left to try an raise her child on her own, can't find affordable day care, so has no other choice but to seek help. Then one day after all the stresses of being a single parent, barely being able to pay the rent, she blows off some steam and smokes a joint with her friends on a Friday night. Yes, let's hope she destroys herself. Then the child can be taken away and put in foster care, because that doesn't cost you anything, right?
There is a cynical way of looking at this. The vet brought it on himself by signing up to get to murder people (or herself if Obama has his way). As for the woman, she should have avoided sex before marriage. What if she were smart and said, "No, I won't have sex with you until you marry me because you might abandon me with a baby?" But I don't let the man off the hook either. She should be able to sue him for 18 years of support. Sometimes in the US, they sue for 21 years of support to help with sending them to a brainwash institute.

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Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#53 Feb 9, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
YES - 76%
No - 24%
I guess that pretty well tells us what "%" of welfare recipients
are on drugs~and~your paying for them (to-be).
Absolutely!
They should also have to do 20 hours of community service per week if they expect to collect that check.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#54 Feb 9, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
YES - 76%
No - 24%
I guess that pretty well tells us what "%" of welfare recipients
are on drugs~and~your paying for them (to-be).
No, we need congress to be drug tested. Their welfare checks FAR exceed the poor single parent trying to make ends meet while the tea party governors are getting rid of good paying jobs.

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Since: Mar 07

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#55 Feb 9, 2013
Mister_ E wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice emotional spin...lol!
If you want the public to take care of you..go to the street corner with a sign that says, "will work for food" "hungry vet"
There's a million suckers out there.
Number of homeless Iraq, Afghan vets doubles

By Gregg Zoroya - USA Today
Posted : Wednesday Dec 26, 2012 19:13:47 EST

The number of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who are homeless or at risk of losing a roof over their heads has more than doubled in the past two years, according to government data.

Through the end of September, 26,531 of them were living on the streets, at risk of losing their homes, staying in temporary housing or receiving federal vouchers to pay rent, the Department of Veterans Affairs reports.

Thatís up from 10,500 in 2010. The VA says the numbers could be higher because they include only the homeless the department is aware
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/12/gannett...

These are the facts...not emotional spin. So, the question is..does America allow the soldiers that fought for American interests to be homeless and hungry?

Food stamp use at military commissaries up sharply in four years
http://www.stripes.com/news/food-stamp-use-at...

AND THIS IS HOW WE TREAT OUR "HEROS"

Banks Targeting Military Families for Illegal Foreclosures
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Military and Veteran Family Evictions, One Every Few Minutes
Up to One Third of Veterans Lost their Homes Since 2008
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/30/banks...

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#56 Feb 9, 2013
Troubled Youth666 wrote:
<quoted text>Absolutely!
They should also have to do 20 hours of community service per week if they expect to collect that check.
Who's going to pay for child care? Wouldn't that time be better spent preparing for and looking for a real job that pays a living wage?

“So many loons”

Level 8

Since: Sep 12

so little time!!

#57 Feb 9, 2013
Nancy,

It's simple...If they met the requirements of the government..they would be on disability. If the system is lacking...fix the system. If they just want something for nothing...the street corner is best for them...:)

I hope you have a lovely day...I really do!
Nancy Botwin wrote:
<quoted text>
Number of homeless Iraq, Afghan vets doubles
By Gregg Zoroya - USA Today
Posted : Wednesday Dec 26, 2012 19:13:47 EST
The number of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who are homeless or at risk of losing a roof over their heads has more than doubled in the past two years, according to government data.
Through the end of September, 26,531 of them were living on the streets, at risk of losing their homes, staying in temporary housing or receiving federal vouchers to pay rent, the Department of Veterans Affairs reports.
Thatís up from 10,500 in 2010. The VA says the numbers could be higher because they include only the homeless the department is aware
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2012/12/gannett...
These are the facts...not emotional spin. So, the question is..does America allow the soldiers that fought for American interests to be homeless and hungry?
Food stamp use at military commissaries up sharply in four years
http://www.stripes.com/news/food-stamp-use-at...
AND THIS IS HOW WE TREAT OUR "HEROS"
Banks Targeting Military Families for Illegal Foreclosures
Share
Military and Veteran Family Evictions, One Every Few Minutes
Up to One Third of Veterans Lost their Homes Since 2008
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/30/banks...

“WE WON TOPIX! YAY!”

Since: Jun 09

Roselle, IL

#58 Feb 9, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me try and understand, there is the war vet with ptsd, who can't hold down a job, has a drinking and drug problem because he can't afford the meds to treat the ptsd fails a test that would give him the few dollars he needs to eat, puts him out on the street, homeless, and you want this person to destroy himself rather than get help?
Or maybe the 22 year old girl from North Dakota, who's boyfriend said he loves her, would care for her and they would grow old together, totally bails on her when she gets pregnant. Now, g-d forbid should she get an abortion, that's an evil sin. So she's left to try an raise her child on her own, can't find affordable day care, so has no other choice but to seek help. Then one day after all the stresses of being a single parent, barely being able to pay the rent, she blows off some steam and smokes a joint with her friends on a Friday night. Yes, let's hope she destroys herself. Then the child can be taken away and put in foster care, because that doesn't cost you anything, right?
Both of those examples will just have to learn to live their lives by Sublime's leave or, not at all. Really now-how hard can this life stuff be?

Since: Feb 13

Fort Myers, FL

#59 Feb 9, 2013
Yes they should

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#60 Feb 9, 2013
Spotted Girl wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a cynical way of looking at this. The vet brought it on himself by signing up to get to murder people (or herself if Obama has his way). As for the woman, she should have avoided sex before marriage. What if she were smart and said, "No, I won't have sex with you until you marry me because you might abandon me with a baby?" But I don't let the man off the hook either. She should be able to sue him for 18 years of support. Sometimes in the US, they sue for 21 years of support to help with sending them to a brainwash institute.
That's not cynical, that's an unrealistic and a stupid way of looking at it.

“WE WON TOPIX! YAY!”

Since: Jun 09

Roselle, IL

#61 Feb 9, 2013
Maliciousness wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are just being silly! Maybe you should take your own advice and do some research yourself.
Of course truck drivers should be tested. Anyone in a job that could endanger peoples lives by causing an accident due to being UI should take the test.
Maybe we should start testing school kids also. What do you think?
Do you think that testing people on welfare is going to be less expensive?
Think again! These tests cost money. People have to be paid to carry out the test, there is the risk of false positives. Do you eat poppy seed buns? If you do, you run the risk of testing positive for opiates!
If someone would be found to have drugs in their system, then what? Stop their money, they get made homeless, their kids are taken in to care, they may even turn to crime and end up in prison. Who do you think will pay for that? The money fairies?
It is FACT! Carrying out drug tests will cost the tax payer more money and not benefit anyone. Maybe we should consider burning all druggies at the stake. Wouldn't you agree? Or maybe, we should be trying to help them get off the drugs and turn their lives around for a better future for themselves and their children. Most addicts don't enjoy being controlled by drugs, they just need to be shown a way forward. Taking their welfare away will not help anybody.
Truck drivers are tested by the companies they work for, who also pay for the tests. The testing of welfare recipients is paid for by taxpayers. IDK what's wrong with these so-called 'fiscal conservatives' but they always want to spend taxpayer money! It's crazy! Florida already tried this. They quickly went $200,000 in the hole to catch 2% of the recipients who were "cheating". It was not a good payday except for the governor who had financial interest in the testing. They could have 'saved'$200k by not doing anything.

In Tennessee, a single mother of two gets $185 A MONTH from the state. If anyone thinks she's buying weed with that, they are smoking crack.

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Since: Jul 08

USA

#62 Feb 9, 2013
Very complex question. I believe that any person who seeks public assistance, needs to prove that they really need the assistance. I believe that if they are physically and mentally capable of working, that they should be required to seek work. I believe that the government should subsidize day care for those with children, who find work. I believe that in order to receive assistance, you need to prove that you are not using illegal substances. If found to be using illegal substances, you get one additional chance and if you fail it, then you lose your assistance. I believe that if you fail the 2nd test for illegal substances and are removed from the assistance, you have an opportunity to reapply, but then, you lose your assistance after any failed test for illegal substances. If there are children in the family that are receiving assistance, then the assistance is reduced to eliminate the adults, not the children. I believe that the public assistance should not be allowed to be used for more than the basic staples of food, and only at food stores, not at any fast food chain. You should be required to show a picture id in order to use your assistance food card (EBT). I believe, that recipients of public assistance should be subject to random checks of the home by officials of the state.

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Location hidden

#63 Feb 9, 2013
Mister_ E wrote:
Nancy,
It's simple...If they met the requirements of the government..they would be on disability. If the system is lacking...fix the system. If they just want something for nothing...the street corner is best for them...:)
I hope you have a lovely day...I really do!
<quoted text>
Hi Mr E..Got news for you ...you can't survive on disability. I used to volunteer at the Vet center and I saw all kinds. Most were injured in some way...mostly PTSD... and unable to find a job. Are you suggesting we let these "heroes" go hungry and homeless? Why do you think most join the military in the first place? Because they can't find a job. I don't think you took the time to actually read the articles I posted. Hummm....veterans standing on street corners begging in the "richest country in the world"...wonder how that looks to the rest of the world. Why are these people "Heroes" on one hand and beggars on the other? The "training" the military touts is BS. It does not transfer into a civilian job. Obama says he's created...What..5 million jobs? What he forgot to tell the American people is that those jobs are part time and minimum wage. You can't support yourself much less a family on that.

Hope you have a great day too!

Cheers!

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