Redskins find bizarre way to defend name

Feb 12, 2013 Full story: KARE-TV Minneapolis 61

A federal judge has overturned a ruling that canceled the Washington Redskins trademark, finding there was insufficient evidence to conclude the name is disparaging to American Indians.

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#46 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Oh contraire montrair - I beg to differ. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on an all white bus on December 1, 1955 - more than a decade prior to the "late 60's."
The Montgomery Bus Boycott, a seminal event in the U.S. civil rights movement, was a political and social protest campaign against the policy of racial segregation on the public transit system of Montgomery, Alabama. The campaign lasted from December 1, 1955, when Rosa Parks, an African American woman, was arrested for refusing to surrender her seat to a white person, to December 20, 1956, when a federal ruling, Browder v. Gayle, took effect, and led to a United States Supreme Court decision that declared the Alabama and Montgomery laws requiring segregated buses to be unconstitutional.
I'll read that to you one more time..."led to a United States Supreme Court decision that declared the Alabama and Montgomery laws requiring segregated buses to be unconstitutional."
You are correct on the history lesson, but that is still DECADES after the formation of the Redskin team. At that time in our history, to protest against the racist names was tantamount to suicide.
DaveMC on Native America

San Diego, CA

#47 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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You are correct on the history lesson, but that is still DECADES after the formation of the Redskin team. At that time in our history, to protest against the racist names was tantamount to suicide.
Also take into account the call for social equality for African Americans didnt include Native Americans. This would be like trying to compare social injustices with Irish-Americans to African-Americans. Native Americans were still being painted as savages during that time.

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#48 Feb 13, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
Oh come on now, grow up people. Don't Indians call us palefaces? I've got no problem with that. They should be honored that a team dedicated its name to them.
No they don't call white people palefaces unless you're watching some old John Wayne movies, and Indians are from India.

First Nations and Native Americans deserve some respect.

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#49 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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You are correct on the history lesson, but that is still DECADES after the formation of the Redskin team. At that time in our history, to protest against the racist names was tantamount to suicide.
From 1913 through 1919, Jim Thorpe was an outfielder for the New York, Cincinnati (Ohio), and Boston Braves baseball teams in the National League. He was more successful as one of the early stars of American professional football from 1919 through 1926. He spent two seasons (1922–23) with the Oorang Indians, whose owner attracted crowds by having Thorpe and his teammates dress up and perform “Indian” tricks before games and at halftime.

Yeah, it doesn't get anymore racist than dressing your only American Indian player up like Giranamo and have him juggle tomahawks before every game.

Ever been to an Atlanta Braves game? That whole city should be scalped.

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#50 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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You are correct on the history lesson, but that is still DECADES after the formation of the Redskin team. At that time in our history, to protest against the racist names was tantamount to suicide.
Look, I'm not necessarily opposed or for Indian sports team mascots, but somewhere you have to draw the line. I mean, for lack of a better analogy - if there was a baseball team called the Seattle Milwaukee69s, I'd be truly honored - not offended. Especially if my picture brought in $375 million a year in sports memorabilia.

We all have to realize that the vast majority of these team adopted these names in a different era and different time.
DaveMC on Native America

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#51 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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From 1913 through 1919, Jim Thorpe was an outfielder for the New York, Cincinnati (Ohio), and Boston Braves baseball teams in the National League. He was more successful as one of the early stars of American professional football from 1919 through 1926. He spent two seasons (1922–23) with the Oorang Indians, whose owner attracted crowds by having Thorpe and his teammates dress up and perform “Indian” tricks before games and at halftime.
Yeah, it doesn't get anymore racist than dressing your only American Indian player up like Giranamo and have him juggle tomahawks before every game.
Ever been to an Atlanta Braves game? That whole city should be scalped.
I personally have no issue with the name "Braves"...the name implies dignity and honor.
DaveMC on Native America

San Diego, CA

#52 Feb 13, 2013
victoria1 wrote:
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No they don't call white people palefaces unless you're watching some old John Wayne movies, and Indians are from India.
First Nations and Native Americans deserve some respect.
Yeaaaa....what she said...lol

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#54 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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From 1913 through 1919, Jim Thorpe was an outfielder for the New York, Cincinnati (Ohio), and Boston Braves baseball teams in the National League. He was more successful as one of the early stars of American professional football from 1919 through 1926. He spent two seasons (1922–23) with the Oorang Indians, whose owner attracted crowds by having Thorpe and his teammates dress up and perform “Indian” tricks before games and at halftime.
Yeah, it doesn't get anymore racist than dressing your only American Indian player up like Giranamo and have him juggle tomahawks before every game.
Ever been to an Atlanta Braves game? That whole city should be scalped.
Thank you for proving my point.
If Thorpe had been a white man, I doubt if the Olympic committee would have stripped him of his medals for the grievous infraction of playing for pay in a couple of summer ball games, when he was not aware that it was an infraction.
BTW, it is spelled Geronimo. His original name was Goyaa&#322;é[kòjà&#720 ;&#620;&#603;&#769 ;] "one who yawns" Geronimo was the name given to him during a battle with Mexican soldiers.

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#55 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Look, I'm not necessarily opposed or for Indian sports team mascots, but somewhere you have to draw the line. I mean, for lack of a better analogy - if there was a baseball team called the Seattle Milwaukee69s, I'd be truly honored - not offended. Especially if my picture brought in $375 million a year in sports memorabilia.
We all have to realize that the vast majority of these team adopted these names in a different era and different time.
Agreed, a different era and a different view of minorities. Today, we are more respectful of people and their histories. Names and mascots that are deemed offensive to a large portion of the populace that they refer to, need to be changed. Like I said before, replace the Redskins with Dar kies, or sp ics, or chi nks and any person of reasonable intelligence will see the problem.

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#56 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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Thank you for proving my point.
If Thorpe had been a white man, I doubt if the Olympic committee would have stripped him of his medals for the grievous infraction of playing for pay in a couple of summer ball games, when he was not aware that it was an infraction.
BTW, it is spelled Geronimo. His original name was Goyaa&#322;é[kòjà&#720 ;&#620;&#603;&#769 ;] "one who yawns" Geronimo was the name given to him during a battle with Mexican soldiers.
Thorpe wasn't the only American Indian to play professional sports. And to use your own words, "That was an entirely diffent time." Jim Plunkett played for the Oakland Raiders - I always thought there was something sneakingly suspicious about an Indian who called himself a Raider.

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#57 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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Agreed, a different era and a different view of minorities. Today, we are more respectful of people and their histories. Names and mascots that are deemed offensive to a large portion of the populace that they refer to, need to be changed. Like I said before, replace the Redskins with Dar kies, or sp ics, or chi nks and any person of reasonable intelligence will see the problem.
Yeah, but let's not get carried away - but I do think the San Francisco Marshmellows would be appropriate.
Krypteia

Haywards Heath, UK

#58 Feb 13, 2013
One of your baseball teams shortened their name for not wanting to give offence,their new name became Kansas City A's.

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#60 Feb 13, 2013
DaveMC on Native America wrote:
<quoted text>Come to a left coast reservation and talk to the Apache or Sioux about the White man. For the majority of the East coast natives they were considered civilized tribes because they didnt really fight occupation like the West Coast natives did...and the west coast natives were basically forced to live on lands that were considered uninhabitable. They were lied to over and over again and women and children slaughtered. What the white man did to Native Americans throughout the country makes the Nazi Holocaust look like walk in the park.
Coast reservation, sure sound's like COAST to me......Sioux were grassland tribes(mostly the Dakota's and immediate surrounding states), never even crossed the Rockies....likely a THOUSAND MILES FROM THE WEST COAST....

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#61 Feb 13, 2013
DaveMC on Native America wrote:
<quoted text>Do you deny the Sioux are in the western part of the United States? As opposed to the Civilized tribes from the Eastern part of the United States? Have you ever heard of the five civilized tribes and the "Trail of Tears" known to Cherokee as "the death march"? I would love to debate Native America with anyone here with knowledge of Native America....maybe you guys should go find someone...lol
You claimed, Coast....not western part.....

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#62 Feb 13, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Coast reservation, sure sound's like COAST to me......Sioux were grassland tribes(mostly the Dakota's and immediate surrounding states), never even crossed the Rockies....likely a THOUSAND MILES FROM THE WEST COAST....
Left Coast...Western, your pickin bones...and actually you are incorrect. Original the Sioux Nation pre-invasion stretched as far West as Idaho, south to Texas, East to Wisconsin and up into Canada...which include the Rocky Mountains in 5 different states. Maybe you are thinking of the reservation???

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#63 Feb 13, 2013
... i know the feel of discimination for i am a BILLS fan ...

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#64 Feb 13, 2013
....cowboyz fan here....guess they'll take this PC sh!t to the extreme and rename the team "the cattlecherubs"....they play that way anyhow....

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#65 Feb 13, 2013
Old Sam wrote:
....cowboyz fan here....guess they'll take this PC sh!t to the extreme and rename the team "the cattlecherubs"....they play that way anyhow....
I would be OK with the Washington Possums...play dead at home and get killed on the road.

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#66 Feb 13, 2013
DaveMC wrote:
<quoted text>I would be OK with the Washington Possums...play dead at home and get killed on the road.
...they went further than the 'cherubs' did......
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Hampton, VA

#67 Feb 14, 2013
Well, the New Jersey Wops, and the Atlanta Bluegums don't have a problem with it...

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