Redskins find bizarre way to defend name

Redskins find bizarre way to defend name

There are 61 comments on the KARE-TV Minneapolis story from Feb 12, 2013, titled Redskins find bizarre way to defend name. In it, KARE-TV Minneapolis reports that:

A federal judge has overturned a ruling that canceled the Washington Redskins trademark, finding there was insufficient evidence to conclude the name is disparaging to American Indians.

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Level 2

Since: Dec 07

DuPage County

#24 Feb 13, 2013
AAll this PC talk about the Redskins makes me realize that it's time for the Reskins to become the Washington Salukis. You heard it here first.

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Level 8

Since: Jul 08

USA

#25 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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I don't look at the world in black and white like you do.
This is 2012, not 1954 Alabama. This is a discussion about a football team name - not about blacks versus whites.
Go to the Racism thread is you want to argue with KKK members. This is Offbeat - lighten up.
As a footnote, however, the Florida State Seminoles got an ok to continue using their mascot by the Seminole Nation of Florida.
If you're not an Indian, you have no say so in the matter - one way or another.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

maybe you should take your own advise, this is offbeat, so lighten up on the immigration, guns and death penalty threads. racism is NOT just about black versus white. It is about ANY group being denigrated for their nationality, INCLUDING NATIVE AMERICANS.

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Level 8

Since: Jul 08

USA

#26 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
The Redskins have played more than 1,000 games since their establishment in 1932.
I wonder why nobody hasn't said anything till now?
They have been saying it fore years and years. I remember back in the late 60's and early 70's that the American Indian Movement (AIM) was trying to get names like that changed. Some have been, some still need to be.
LOLz

Buffalo, NY

#27 Feb 13, 2013
Art Of Posting Well wrote:
<quoted text>I heard the city of Pittsburgh is upset they got tagged with the name Stealer.
I heard there were no actual vikings on the Vikings... same goes with the Titans, the Giants and Chiefs, etc.

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Since: Jul 08

USA

#28 Feb 13, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>
They named the team in reference to past cultures of Washington. I'm certain no offense was intended. And where do you get off accusing white America of slaugtering American Indians? Even an Indian will tell you that most Indians who were slaughtered were done so by other Indians in wars between tribes. Now be a good little hippie and speak less of that which you are unaware.
Show me a verifiable independent source that proves your ridiculous statement and I will rethink my statement. Until then, kindly refrain from personal attacks.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#29 Feb 13, 2013
LOLz wrote:
How about the Browns? Is their name racist?
LOL - very good point

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Since: Jul 08

USA

#31 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you squeek when you walk too?
Lighten up - if it were that demeaning, the team would've been challenged to change it back in 1932 - why wait 80 years to decide that one of the oldest sports franchises in the United States has a derogatory name?
Btw, my brother's alma mater - Marquette, had to ditch the name "Warriors" in 1994 because some asshat who wasn't an Indian at all thought it was derogatory.
In 2004, Marquette began to consider changing the name back to Warriors, and conducted a poll that showed 92 percent of alumni and 62 percent of students "identified" with that nickname. However, the Board of Trustees ignored the results of the poll on the grounds that previous logos had been disrespectful to Native Americans, and changed the nickname to simply "Gold". An intensely negative reaction by students, faculty, alumni, and fans led to yet another series of votes, which eventually pitted "Golden Eagles" against "Hilltoppers". Respondents were told in advance that write-in votes for "Warriors" would not be tabulated, although those results were later released, and "Golden Eagles" was restored in June 2005.
Just like you don't like the government getting all up in your business, if you're not an Indian trustee - stay out of Indian affairs.
No I don't do you, especially when it concerns illegal aliens or the 2nd Amendment.
!932 was a different culture, the only truly free race in America was the white race, and then it was only men. Women, blacks, Native Americans, Mexicans etc were second class citizens. Since then, America has begun to respect the rights of all people.

So, if you are not an illegal alien, or a farm hand, then stay out of their business. If you are not homosexual, stay out of their business. If you are not a politician, stay out of their business
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Level 7

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#33 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
The Redskins have played more than 1,000 games since their establishment in 1932.
I wonder why nobody hasn't said anything till now?
I'm quite sure, all my elders would be tickled if the Bears changed their name to the Dutch/German Guys.....

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Level 7

Since: Jun 11

...... then my reputation

#34 Feb 13, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
I suppose you could change it to the Foreskins and say they were scalped..
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Good one! I'll root for that team!

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Level 8

Since: Jun 08

Right here under my thumb

#35 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>
They have been saying it fore years and years. I remember back in the late 60's and early 70's that the American Indian Movement (AIM) was trying to get names like that changed. Some have been, some still need to be.
You remember nothing.

Did you know that the Redskins weren't always the Redskins? They were at one time the Boston Braves back in '32 before moving to Fenway Park in '33. And again - if it offended any Indians, I would assume it would've been back in '32 before they even changed their name to the Redskins - offended people didn't just start being born in 2012. But do you know why they didn't? The American Indian Society of Washington DC wasn't around prior to 1966. And they're not all from Washington DC.

The young group of less than 20 original members has grown to nearly 300 members from over 50 different tribal groups ranging from Maine to California and from Alaska to Florida.

NCAA schools such as Florida State University, University of Utah, University of Illinois and Central Michigan University have negotiated with the tribes whose names or images they had used for permission for continued use and to collaborate on portraying the mascot in a way that supposedly honors Native Americans.

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Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#36 Feb 13, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>think you will find there will always be someone that find's something offensive,like you say Redneck hippie is not offensive or demeaning to you but it might be to redneck hippies out there in the woods.
Thanks for explaining that to him Krypteia, what i said went right-over-his-head. like yea! that's his name but others could be offended because he calls himself that. That's why I said I got mine honest ( and I spelled it correctly this time.)

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Level 8

Since: Jul 08

USA

#37 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
You remember nothing.
Did you know that the Redskins weren't always the Redskins? They were at one time the Boston Braves back in '32 before moving to Fenway Park in '33. And again - if it offended any Indians, I would assume it would've been back in '32 before they even changed their name to the Redskins - offended people didn't just start being born in 2012. But do you know why they didn't? The American Indian Society of Washington DC wasn't around prior to 1966. And they're not all from Washington DC.
The young group of less than 20 original members has grown to nearly 300 members from over 50 different tribal groups ranging from Maine to California and from Alaska to Florida.
NCAA schools such as Florida State University, University of Utah, University of Illinois and Central Michigan University have negotiated with the tribes whose names or images they had used for permission for continued use and to collaborate on portraying the mascot in a way that supposedly honors Native Americans.
So now you deign to tell me what I remember and don't remember. What an egotist. As I said before, until the late 1960's, the minorities new their place. They did not dare to oppose anything that the ruling class said or did. If they did, they were lynched, beaten, jailed. The native Americans DID NOT like the derogatory names, but they did not have the political clout to get them changed. There were and are many derogatory names associated with geological features. Some have been changed, such as Squaw peak. The Atlanta Braves is also offensive an the "tomahawk chop' is especially demeaning to native Americans.

Regardless of when it started, in this enlightened era, to use a demeaning and racist term is offensive and should be removed. People who use demeaning and derogatory racist slurs should be publicly excoriated and shunned as pariahs.

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Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#38 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me a verifiable independent source that proves your ridiculous statement and I will rethink my statement. Until then, kindly refrain from personal attacks.
This was actually told to us by an Indian during a tour of the Seminole reserve in the Florida Everglades. He said cleary that Native Americans don't recognize White Man (racist?) as a cause of any masacre against Indians (albeit the diseases introduced by early White Man), that most Indians died in battle amongst tribes, but did recognized White Man as a hated force against Indians' well being, and for forcing them into reservations. He held no reservation (no pun intended) of his hatred to White Man.
DaveMC on Native America

San Diego, CA

#39 Feb 13, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't look at the world in black and white like you do.
This is 2012, not 1954 Alabama. This is a discussion about a football team name - not about blacks versus whites.
Go to the Racism thread is you want to argue with KKK members. This is Offbeat - lighten up.
As a footnote, however, the Florida State Seminoles got an ok to continue using their mascot by the Seminole Nation of Florida.
If you're not an Indian, you have no say so in the matter - one way or another.
I think the difference here is that "Seminole" is a tribe and not a slang word created by white people. When the "Redskins" were named it was socially accepted by the majority of the country to be somewhat racist. You see it all over the place in TV shows and movies of that time. Im sure if everyone started calling the judge that ruled on this "Judge Cracker azz cracker" he would have a huge problem with it, which is bascically what the name "Redskins" stands for. Put the team in our nations capital and you are just adding insult to injury.

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Level 8

Since: Jun 08

Right here under my thumb

#40 Feb 13, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>
So now you deign to tell me what I remember and don't remember. What an egotist. As I said before, until the late 1960's, the minorities new their place. They did not dare to oppose anything that the ruling class said or did. If they did, they were lynched, beaten, jailed. The native Americans DID NOT like the derogatory names, but they did not have the political clout to get them changed. There were and are many derogatory names associated with geological features. Some have been changed, such as Squaw peak. The Atlanta Braves is also offensive an the "tomahawk chop' is especially demeaning to native Americans.
Regardless of when it started, in this enlightened era, to use a demeaning and racist term is offensive and should be removed. People who use demeaning and derogatory racist slurs should be publicly excoriated and shunned as pariahs.
Oh contraire montrair - I beg to differ. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on an all white bus on December 1, 1955 - more than a decade prior to the "late 60's."

The Montgomery Bus Boycott, a seminal event in the U.S. civil rights movement, was a political and social protest campaign against the policy of racial segregation on the public transit system of Montgomery, Alabama. The campaign lasted from December 1, 1955, when Rosa Parks, an African American woman, was arrested for refusing to surrender her seat to a white person, to December 20, 1956, when a federal ruling, Browder v. Gayle, took effect, and led to a United States Supreme Court decision that declared the Alabama and Montgomery laws requiring segregated buses to be unconstitutional.

I'll read that to you one more time..."led to a United States Supreme Court decision that declared the Alabama and Montgomery laws requiring segregated buses to be unconstitutional."
DaveMC on Native America

San Diego, CA

#41 Feb 13, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>
This was actually told to us by an Indian during a tour of the Seminole reserve in the Florida Everglades. He said cleary that Native Americans don't recognize White Man (racist?) as a cause of any masacre against Indians (albeit the diseases introduced by early White Man), that most Indians died in battle amongst tribes, but did recognized White Man as a hated force against Indians' well being, and for forcing them into reservations. He held no reservation (no pun intended) of his hatred to White Man.
Come to a left coast reservation and talk to the Apache or Sioux about the White man. For the majority of the East coast natives they were considered civilized tribes because they didnt really fight occupation like the West Coast natives did...and the west coast natives were basically forced to live on lands that were considered uninhabitable. They were lied to over and over again and women and children slaughtered. What the white man did to Native Americans throughout the country makes the Nazi Holocaust look like walk in the park.
DaveMC on Native America

San Diego, CA

#42 Feb 13, 2013


Somebody should probably tell this guy his argument is bogus.

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Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#43 Feb 13, 2013
The Westcoast Sioux????????
DaveMC on Native America

San Diego, CA

#44 Feb 13, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
The Westcoast Sioux????????
Do you deny the Sioux are in the western part of the United States? As opposed to the Civilized tribes from the Eastern part of the United States? Have you ever heard of the five civilized tribes and the "Trail of Tears" known to Cherokee as "the death march"? I would love to debate Native America with anyone here with knowledge of Native America....maybe you guys should go find someone...lol

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Level 8

Since: Jul 08

USA

#45 Feb 13, 2013
JM_Brazil wrote:
<quoted text>
This was actually told to us by an Indian during a tour of the Seminole reserve in the Florida Everglades. He said cleary that Native Americans don't recognize White Man (racist?) as a cause of any masacre against Indians (albeit the diseases introduced by early White Man), that most Indians died in battle amongst tribes, but did recognized White Man as a hated force against Indians' well being, and for forcing them into reservations. He held no reservation (no pun intended) of his hatred to White Man.
Well, if we are going to use anecdotal evidence, I can trump your single Native American. I grew up next to the Yavapai Indian reservation. many of my class mates were Yavapai Indians and they all said that the Americans were responsible for the genocide against their people. I also had many conversations with Hopi, Zuni, Navajo and Apache Indians in my home town and during my travels, They also stated unequivocally that the Americans were responsible for the mass genocide against their peoples. After I left the U. S. navy, i went to school with a full blood Lakota Souix and his half breed wife. we had many conversations during breaks and after school regarding the history of the contact between the Americans and the Native Americans. They too were of the opinion that the wholesale slaughter of the native Americans was greater than the individual wars between tribes.
Once again, show me verifiable independent sources that support your claims, or admit that it is just your opinion.

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