It's Not Just Winter, It's a New Ice Age

It's Not Just Winter, It's a New Ice Age

There are 28 comments on the The Heartland Institute story from Nov 16, 2013, titled It's Not Just Winter, It's a New Ice Age. In it, The Heartland Institute reports that:

When you consider that a bunch of global warming propagandists, the 19th Conference of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, to reduce "greenhouse gas" emissions has been meeting in Warsaw this month are still claiming that we are in the midst of global warming, you have a demonstration of how great a hoax has been perpetrated on the ... (more)

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litesong

Everett, WA

#1 Nov 16, 2013
From the article:
2014 is the year many scientists believe an ice age,“mini” or full-scale will begin.
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It is good that Heartland predicts Earth temperatures will soon return to pre-20th century levels. Of course, Heartland hides behind what they call many scientists. Do they mean climate scientists? Probably not.

But, I will continue to compile this "mini" or full-scale ice age data in the topix AGW thread "Will It, Won't It, Part 3". Since my previous data has shown wide Arctic temperature differences, even within the same day, a coming Ice Age will be fascinating!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#2 Nov 16, 2013
litesong wrote:
From the article:
2014 is the year many scientists believe an ice age,“mini” or full-scale will begin.
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It is good that Heartland predicts Earth temperatures will soon return to pre-20th century levels. Of course, Heartland hides behind what they call many scientists. Do they mean climate scientists? Probably not.
But, I will continue to compile this "mini" or full-scale ice age data in the topix AGW thread "Will It, Won't It, Part 3". Since my previous data has shown wide Arctic temperature differences, even within the same day, a coming Ice Age will be fascinating!
Many scientists?

Well, just two.

One of them has heartland money stuffed in his back pocket,

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-ne...

and the other is some mysterious Russian.

Heartland money of course comes from the fossil fuel industry, and Russian scientists say what the totalitarian state wants them to say: that AGW is not a risk, so Russia can have the Arctic gas.

So two scientists, one a puppet for the fossil fuel industry, and the other a puppet for the Russian state aka Gazprom.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#3 Nov 17, 2013
Thirteen (13) of the last fifteen (15) years have been cooler than 1998. Hmmm

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#4 Nov 17, 2013
No Warming wrote:
Thirteen (13) of the last fifteen (15) years have been cooler than 1998. Hmmm
1998 was a super El Nino year- you would expect most of the next 15 years to be cooler, even with a strong warming trend.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#5 Nov 17, 2013
Point being the trend (signal as less fact uses) stopped. Earth has warmed less than .1C since 1997. And that's with all the warm years averaged in !

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#6 Nov 17, 2013
No Warming wrote:
Point being the trend (signal as less fact uses) stopped. Earth has warmed less than .1C since 1997. And that's with all the warm years averaged in !
No, the trend is still there.

Otherwise in a period beginning with a super El Nino and ending with two strong La Nina years, you would expect to see cooling.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#7 Nov 17, 2013
El Nino was 1997 ?
Cut n Paste

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Nov 17, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
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1998 was a super El Nino year- you would expect most of the next 15 years to be cooler, even with a strong warming trend.
Perhaps there are those who expect that CO2 drives Climate Change and El Niño is noise. Easy enough to prove: the scientists must go back and re-adjust the average temps to reflect a slightly cooler 2008. With the "2008 spike" removed this will then show a continual upward trend. Deniers need to be more open minded when it comes to explaining what the climate is doing.
SpaceBlues

United States

#9 Nov 17, 2013
Changes in states' power plant emissions.. click on your state for local results..

http://owingsmills.patch.com/groups/going-gre...
SpaceBlues

United States

#10 Nov 17, 2013
NASA and climate scientists throughout the world have said, however, that the years starting since 1998 have been the hottest in all recorded temperature history.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-coolin...
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#11 Nov 17, 2013
This cool down was predicted in the mid 1990s. It is based on solar patterns of activity. To date the predictions have been correct. The sun's activity has followed the predicted pattern.

The first noticeable cooling was predicted to be in 2012, and that worked. Yes if you go to all the agencies' data you won't see much but that is because they have been changing the baseline.

The most recent change was to lower the temperatures of the arctic during the base line period to show a larger anomaly with current temperatures.

That way the temps stay in line with the satellite data but still show an increase. Better if they would just show temperatures, not a manufactured anomaly. But that wouldn't produce the end result they are looking for.

Yes we are headed to another period of glaciation as our interglacial is 14,700+ years in duration. Whether or not this lull in solar activity is enough to start that cycle is unknown and I have seen no prediction of such a change.

Will we cool down, we have already started. This is the experiment of observational science. Will the reduced input of solar energy cause temps to drop. Or will the continued increase of CO2 cause them to continue to advance.

I'm betting on the sun.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#12 Nov 17, 2013
No Warming wrote:
Thirteen (13) of the last fifteen (15) years have been cooler than 1998. Hmmm
Faulty logic and cherry picking. Typical bullshit.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php...
Charbonneau

Bucyrus, KS

#13 Nov 18, 2013
Considering that May 2012 the sun began its hibernation cycle of the convection layer, this ice age would have logically meant a much cooler summer in both 2012 and 2013. Such was not the case. Instead we've had more record breaking summers and erratic fall/winter.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

The arctic ice is still melting and is anticipated to even be completely gone as early as next September. A newly discovered volcano in the Antarctic could blow its top at any time escalating melting there.

So much for an ice age.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#14 Nov 19, 2013
Cut n Paste wrote:
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Perhaps there are those who expect that CO2 drives Climate Change and El Niño is noise. Easy enough to prove: the scientists must go back and re-adjust the average temps to reflect a slightly cooler 2008. With the "2008 spike" removed this will then show a continual upward trend. Deniers need to be more open minded when it comes to explaining what the climate is doing.
Completely throw out 2008, AND 1999-2000, you get .1C warming since 1997. I've gone from cherry picking, in favor of warming, to outright cheating and can't find a .2C decadal trend. Being stubborn, I'll keep trying.
Cut n Paste

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Nov 19, 2013
No Warming wrote:
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Completely throw out 2008, AND 1999-2000, you get .1C warming since 1997. I've gone from cherry picking, in favor of warming, to outright cheating and can't find a .2C decadal trend. Being stubborn, I'll keep trying.
Good luck with your efforts. Doctors Mann, Hansen and Jones, along with other famous climate researchers have dedicated their careers to finding evidence of warming where ever they look. Rest assured that they WILL locate the missing heat... they already know where to look.

History is another refuge from the assaults on consensus and the professed unequivocal nature of Climate Science. As has been done in the past; if the current estimates of 'Global Average Temperature' fail to suggest an alarming increase in warming the data can be adjusted to more accurately reflect the official position of every science academy in the world.

One may also take comfort in knowing catastrophic climate change is likely to arrive sooner than predicted based on recent publications announcing the effects of Global Warming are worse than 'they' thought.
SpaceBlues

United States

#16 Nov 19, 2013
No Warming wrote:
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Completely throw out 2008, AND 1999-2000, you get .1C warming since 1997. I've gone from cherry picking, in favor of warming, to outright cheating and can't find a .2C decadal trend. Being stubborn, I'll keep trying.
From the current issue of Nature:

Presenting science as a compelling story is becoming a popular way of communicating results — a technique that is guaranteed to capture the attention of the scientific community and the public. Although science needs great stories, stories are not science.

Storytelling glosses over uncertainties; methodological detail and even results can get lost in the narrative's overarching trajectory. By bounding over hurdles, it keeps the listener rooting for an amazing ending.

But we should not forget that the temptation to package results into a satisfying story has frequently led to the retraction of scientific papers.
Cut n Paste

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Nov 19, 2013
As long as a story can shine the light of TRUTH upon the willfull deniers -who cares if a few papers get retracted. Science is a process and such events should be expected from time to time... after all, nobody is perfect.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#18 Nov 19, 2013
Charbonneau wrote:
Considering that May 2012 the sun began its hibernation cycle of the convection layer, this ice age would have logically meant a much cooler summer in both 2012 and 2013. Such was not the case. Instead we've had more record breaking summers and erratic fall/winter.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
The arctic ice is still melting and is anticipated to even be completely gone as early as next September. A newly discovered volcano in the Antarctic could blow its top at any time escalating melting there.
So much for an ice age.
Agreed.

The sun is indeed on the 'downside' of the 200 years sunspot intensity cycle. However, even at peak it only represents 0.1% change and thus no more than 0.2C of warming or cooling. AGW from greenhouse gasses is about 0.9C now so it may be part of the 'slowdown' but it is not the major factor the deniers wish it was.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#19 Nov 19, 2013
No Warming wrote:
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Completely throw out 2008, AND 1999-2000, you get .1C warming since 1997.
In AIR temperature an only in the CRU data which is noted to be affected by inadquate coverage of the polar regions which allows ENSO (i.e La Nina) to 'hide' some of the heat in the polar regions. A recent study that corrected their model for the polar regions noted the same warming as every other analysis.

Note that AIR temperature is only 2% of 'global average surface temperature'.
No Warming wrote:
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I've gone from cherry picking, in favor of warming, to outright cheating and can't find a .2C decadal trend. Being stubborn, I'll keep trying.
You are still cherry picking and trying to make the data fit you conclusions, not the other way around. Nuff said. You are NO scientist.
No Warming

Athens, OH

#20 Nov 20, 2013
Cut n Paste wrote:
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Good luck with your efforts. Doctors Mann, Hansen and Jones, along with other famous climate researchers have dedicated their careers to finding evidence of warming where ever they look. Rest assured that they WILL locate the missing heat... they already know where to look.
History is another refuge from the assaults on consensus and the professed unequivocal nature of Climate Science. As has been done in the past; if the current estimates of 'Global Average Temperature' fail to suggest an alarming increase in warming the data can be adjusted to more accurately reflect the official position of every science academy in the world.
One may also take comfort in knowing catastrophic climate change is likely to arrive sooner than predicted based on recent publications announcing the effects of Global Warming are worse than 'they' thought.
So if I study climate reality I'll end up broke and poor, if I listen to the climate brokers, Hansen and others, I'll be $ RICH $.

Heck, its getting hotter everyday folks. Can't you feel it !

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