Klamath Tribes and feds exercise wate...

Klamath Tribes and feds exercise water rights in Oregon, will shut off irrigation for ranches

There are 97 comments on the Nanaimo Daily News story from Jun 10, 2013, titled Klamath Tribes and feds exercise water rights in Oregon, will shut off irrigation for ranches. In it, Nanaimo Daily News reports that:

Tens of thousands of acres in Oregon's drought-stricken Klamath Basin will have to go without irrigation water this summer after the Klamath Tribes and the federal government exercised for the first time newly confirmed powers that put the tribes in the driver's seat over the use of water.

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Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#21 Jul 2, 2013
Shiregal wrote:
<quoted text>Salmon home? R U KIDDING ME? salmon like cool water there is no where on the Klamath river above the Trinity where the water is cool. Look south look at the marsh tulies.. they grow in warm water. There is NO salmon going to make it to the Klamath lake don't fall for that nonsense.
Yet another well thought out opinion from someone who is obviously an expert on what Indians do and don't do. I am sorry that you do not understand that salmon come up rivers to lakes and that dams stop that, that pesticides from farm lands have raised the temperature of the water as much as any other environmental issue and we are talking about business men, not poor children in Africa. Companies that are trying to steal rights not theirs and I am so tired of this kind of treatment by the Klamath Settlers.
Just like the white community lied and stole Modoc territory that was desired by the settlers in 1864, we once again see them trying to comandeer our resources. Air, Water, Earth (minerals) and fire are the elements that unite us. Greed divides us. Personal agendas divide us. However, we may not endure one more racist comment, one more piece of advice about how easily misled we are, we will not endure it any longer. We are united in this battle. Beleive it.

“Bringing the truth to Modocs!”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#22 Jul 2, 2013
6theagle wrote:
<quoted text>Yet another well thought out opinion from someone who is obviously an expert on what Indians do and don't do. I am sorry that you do not understand that salmon come up rivers to lakes and that dams stop that, that pesticides from farm lands have raised the temperature of the water as much as any other environmental issue and we are talking about business men, not poor children in Africa. Companies that are trying to steal rights not theirs and I am so tired of this kind of treatment by the Klamath Settlers.
Just like the white community lied and stole Modoc territory that was desired by the settlers in 1864, we once again see them trying to comandeer our resources. Air, Water, Earth (minerals) and fire are the elements that unite us. Greed divides us. Personal agendas divide us. However, we may not endure one more racist comment, one more piece of advice about how easily misled we are, we will not endure it any longer. We are united in this battle. Beleive it.
Yes the dams are stopping the Salmon but don't let them fool you as to that's why the dams need to come down. It's about greed and water. Water is the new white gold, our people were destroyed over yellow gold, now they are trying to finish us off because of White Gold. Also you mentioned Modoc territory and the lies that forced our people from our lands, well the Klamath's are falling for the same thing. Why on our Creators Green Earth would we as Modoc ever give up our rights? We would not and will not! You are right about a Battle again but it's going to be with those who have sold out for a little beetle infested land our Water, Hunting, Fishing, Gathering and Water Rights. I like how the Klamath's made sure to keep theirs ie.. upper Klamath Lake, & Williamson River.... They made sure to protect their water rights but the Hell with the Modocs! Once again a sure sign of all the love and One Big Happy Family we really are! RIGHT!
NoH2O

Ocean Park, WA

#23 Jul 3, 2013
Nothing will change till the people sick of this mess stand up and unite and gets that Hatcher family out of control of the administration and get some Indian people to replace them and on the tribal council. How many more years of this crap do we have to take? These people have zero concept of what a tribe is. How could they? They have never lived it before. They think the tribe is their immediate family. Screw the rest.
omg dumbo

Rocklin, CA

#24 Jul 27, 2013
Resolved wrote:
Isn't what matters is that Mitchell resolved water conflicts in the Klamath Basin, bringing the salmon home and now there is hope of homeland sustainability by negotiating the KBRA agreement?
O boy r u clueless lol
REMOVE YOURSELF

Scio, OR

#25 Jul 27, 2013
Modoc wrote:
<quoted text> What? Did you bump your head? Nothing is resolved other than the Klamaths again screwed the Modocs. I for one am sick and tired of this "we are one tribe" crap! If we were one tribe then "WE" wouldn't sell off all of the Modocs rights, not just water but all with the KBRA & KHSA. And what Salmon, you mean the frozen processed stuff? It's the same ol stuff that has always gone on with the GREEDY KLAMATHS, always looking out for their own pockets and that's it. I an Sick and Tired of this, any other Modoc's & Yahooskins had it with this crap?
I for one am sick and tired of hearing you Modoc crying around, oh poor me, we got screwd. There is nothing saying that you have to be enrolled in the KLAMTH TRIBES so why don't you quit your BS crying around and remove yourself from the KLAMATH TRIBES, move to Oklahoma and enroll yourself there or just shut the hell up you big A$$ CRYBABY
REMOVE YOURSELF

Scio, OR

#26 Jul 27, 2013
And that goes for you too Munilaki
OMG

New London, NC

#27 Jul 27, 2013
I saw tribal meeting posted in August. Go to them and speak your peace instead of getting on this site and rambling your bullsh!t. Or would you rather hide behind your computers!!!!
Really

Eagle Point, OR

#28 Jul 27, 2013
Google - Indian water rights settlement approved by congress.
Who's a dumbo?

“Bringing the truth to Modocs!”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#29 Jul 29, 2013
REMOVE YOURSELF wrote:
And that goes for you too Munilaki
Who died and made you the head of this forum? Last time I checked it was open to everyone, even people like you. Sad times ahead- if you are even Modoc or Klamath or Yahooskin which I doubt. If so, then you are already a non-native. Sticking to the original article, it seems that the Klamath Tribes wish to have it both ways. They want money from the KBRA & KHSA but yet want to exercise their water rights. You can't sell off your water rights and then expect to exercise them? Which is it people want money for some land that is useless or want to keep your rights?
Interesting

United States

#30 Jul 30, 2013
Really wrote:
Google - Indian water rights settlement approved by congress.
Who's a dumbo?
So your saying the tribes referendums were getting nothing and giving up their most powerful leverage! Interesting!!
ROMULUS

Klamath Falls, OR

#31 Jul 30, 2013
shiiit its 9 oclock

got whiskey drunk today

now I can bun pony
Really

Eagle Point, OR

#32 Jul 30, 2013
Interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
So your saying the tribes referendums were getting nothing and giving up their most powerful leverage! Interesting!!
Why would you negotiate with special interest farmers /and environmentalist! Then to save face with a bad deal try to follow through to legislation, while everyone realizes what your getting, including the taxpayers paying for it!
Did you see the water rights settlements that other tribes negotiated and the NCAI was encouraged with! Tribes actually got something! Why didn't they negotiate directly with the government being the senior water rights holders?
Oh was swill drinking the whiskey at the time?
bottom line

United States

#33 Dec 15, 2013
If you deal with mitchell and the crew your going to get screwed. Bad for both Sides and everyone involved even his own people because they dont know what they are doing.
Now what

United States

#34 Dec 16, 2013
bottom line wrote:
If you deal with mitchell and the crew your going to get screwed. Bad for both Sides and everyone involved even his own people because they dont know what they are doing.
So what's this new AIP- agreement in principal they just signed with Kitzhaber and Wyden? How can you over ride a legislation that hasn't been passed or will not pass and agree on water distribution in the future! With affected parties!
How's that gonna solve this cycle of drought?
And now what are they giving up or getting or not getting?
AIP-Agreemet

Montesano, WA

#35 Dec 16, 2013
CHILOQUIN, OR, Dec. 3, 2013 - On December 2, 2013 Klamath Tribal Chairman Don Gentry and representatives of the Upper Klamath Basin “Off-Project” Irrigators met at the Oregon Institute of Technology in Klamath Falls, Oregon to sign an Agreement in Principle (AIP).

The AIP, built on the foundation laid by the Tribal member-approved Klamath Basin Restoration Agreement (KBRA), is the result of meetings initiated by Senator Ron Wyden among the Klamath Tribes, Upper Basin Irrigators and federal and state representatives. Negotiated over several months, the AIP provides a framework based on a common set of principles and concepts that the Parties will share with their respective constituents. It represents a critical step toward resolving Upper Klamath Basin water and fisheries disputes not previously addressed in the KBRA. In addition to resolving water and fisheries issues, the AIP is intended to result in a Final Agreement that will provide support for the economic development interests of the Klamath Tribes, provide a stable, sustainable basis for the continuation of agriculture in the Upper Klamath basin, and improve fisheries habitat and water quality by restoring and managing riparian corridors along streams that flow into Upper Klamath Lake.

“Negotiating and signing this agreement is a very important and positive step in the efforts of the Klamath Tribes and irrigation community to resolve years of ongoing conflicts and court battles over water management affecting the Tribes’ fisheries and other Treaty resources, and the economic stability of our community,” stated Don Gentry, Chairman of the Klamath Tribes. He added:“With the AIP in place, the Klamath Tribes Negotiation Team (KTNT) and other parties will intensify our efforts to continue the hard work of negotiating a Final Agreement that will meet Tribal needs, and the needs our neighbors.”

Klamath Tribes Negotiation Team members include Chairman Gentry, Vice-Chair Vivian Kimbol, Tribal Council members Anna Bennett and Kathy Hill, Tribal member Jeff Mitchell and Tribal biologist Larry Dunsmoor. The work of the KTNT is supported by Native American Rights Fund attorney David Gover. The KTNT and Tribal Council will provide information about the AIP, work toward a Final Agreement and the prospective legislative process at a series of Tribal member community meetings.

The first series of meetings is scheduled as follows:

December 17: Klamath Falls – Klamath Tribal Health (3949 S. Sixth St.), 6-8 p.m.

December 18: Chiloquin – Klamath Tribes Administration Auditorium (501 Chiloquin Blvd.), 6-8 p.m.

December 19: Eugene – U of O Many Nations Longhouse, 6-8 p.m.

December 20: Portland – Double Tree Inn (Lloyd Center), 6-8 p.m.

If and when a Final Agreement is reached, it will be subject to the approval of the Klamath Tribes General Council.
Senior Water Right

Portland, OR

#36 Dec 16, 2013
It's funny how they say they will support the tribes economic development interest. But this will provide for the agricultural stakeholders of the upper basin. What does support mean, they will all mail us an uplifting letter telling us they hope everything works out, in the mean time I'm gonna haul may payload to the local beef auction. I also like how Wyden and Kitzhaber are in the paper receiving nobel piece prizes for solving the basins water issues.
FYI

Montesano, WA

#37 Dec 16, 2013
I vote NO to the AIP and KBRA.
frybread King

Yacolt, WA

#38 Dec 17, 2013
The tribal membership is not being told the truth. None of the people mentioned from the tribe have any education past the 10th grade and yet they are going to make decisions about our resources for us? How stupid can the Klamath tribes get? They no nothing about Forestry or Hydrology but they are going to act like they do? Dunsmoor is a white man. Why is he making decisons for the tribe? For that matter there is not one person on the KTNT who I would consider Indian. They are all sell outs. Always have been....always will be. They are not smart. None of them. That is the problem with theis tribe.....thye put idiots in charge of things., People who cannot control their own weight or have identity crisis issues should not be making decisons for us.
frybread King

Yacolt, WA

#39 Dec 17, 2013
every time I see a picture of our so intelligent TC I first laugh, then I get embarrassed, then I want to cry, then I want to become a teacher to try to inform the membership about common sense. Then I realize this tribe deserves what it gets......because ignorance rules here. Stupidity is KING of the Klamath tribe.
FLY

Montesano, WA

#40 Dec 17, 2013
Who are the Upper Klamath Basin “Off-Project” Irrigators?

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