Clashes in Ukraine leave 4 dead; deadline looms

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Joker

Kiev, Ukraine

#1 Feb 18, 2014
This is crazy. The government was just waiting to crack down on them. The protesters gave them the current quasi dictatorship regime a reason to use force. Next is going to be curfew and then marshal law if the situation gets out of hand.

All this makes more sense when you think that the entire protest and protesters were hired by the US and EU to wreak havoc and balkanize Ukraine.

Anyone who lives in Kiev and actually went down to see the protesters would immediately understand that the protesters didnt accidentally pop up. These are trained protesters who are getting a paycheck to destroy. The look on their face, aura, manner and the way they carry themselves gives it away all to easily

All the ignorant westerners who think that this protest is for the Ukrainians need to haul themselves out here and see first hand how a country steps towards dictatorship. I guarantee you in three years, Ukraine will become the second Belarus , infact most likely worse than Belarus.. And at this point, Ukrainians have no other choice but to let the country run its course. They were too busy hooked on easy credit and a life of consumption followed by lifestyle of welfare. It is too late to do anything but default and pray that Yanukovich will somehow get taken out before he owns the entire country.
guest

United States

#2 Feb 18, 2014
Joker wrote:
All the ignorant westerners who think that this protest is for the Ukrainians need to haul themselves out here and see first hand how a country steps towards dictatorship.
We westerners really don't care Joker. We have enough problems of our own to worry about. If the Ukrainians want a dictator, let them have one. If they don't, they need to fight against it. Every time the U.S. sticks its nose into a civil war, we get nothing but shit splattered all over us.
American

Montpelier, VT

#3 Feb 18, 2014
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
We westerners really don't care Joker. We have enough problems of our own to worry about. If the Ukrainians want a dictator, let them have one.
That's what Europe said to Germany. And low and behold, heir Hitler had his own 'pravy sektor' to pave the way and lead the charge, then grow itself fat and large.

Read some elementary history, chumsy.
American

Montpelier, VT

#4 Feb 18, 2014
LOL

I'm giving good odds on whether 'guest' actually understood what I was referring to.
Joker

Kiev, Ukraine

#5 Feb 18, 2014
American wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what Europe said to Germany. And low and behold, heir Hitler had his own 'pravy sektor' to pave the way and lead the charge, then grow itself fat and large.
Read some elementary history, chumsy.
This is all orchestrated by Yanukovich. The psycopath wants money (foreign aid, IMF, Russia) so he can buy assets for pennies on the dollar and own the entire country when it defaults sometime soon.
Contrary to many peoples' belief I believe Yanukovich isn't on any side. He just wants to be a dictator, a god in Ukraine. If Europe gives him money, he'll side with Europe. If Zimbabwe gives him money, he'll sleep with them. Europe never intended to give him money and which is why they gave him a demand that would never come to fruit, which is releasing Timoshenko. For the time being, Russia is the nation that is giving him the best chances of fulfilling his wishes. Also 800 million which EU promised wouldn't even last 2 weeks and Ukraine would have defaulted in January.
America only wants a NATO base out here and Americans are only concerned with the "beautiful" women of Ukraine.
Quite honestly the country has kicked the can down the road too far. It will run its course until the very end, which is coming soon. The problem I see for Ukraine is that compared to Belarus, the people are a lot more violent and thuggish, and corrupt. And I'm not talking about the cops and Belarussians (in general). I am talking about the entire nation. Lukashenko knows that attacking tourists is a bad idea, because tourists bring in hard currency (USD), which is why the cops and ordinary people in Belarus don't harass tourists as much as in Ukraine. In fact Belarus is much more safer than Ukraine in general. I doubt that the Ukrainians can get out of that bribe and extortion way of living. It is just so easy to make up for what you lack by being corrupt. I know of no one in this country that does not accept bribes. Corruption is just a way of life here. And to make matters worse, people here are hooked on easy credit, consumption, and keeping up with the next door neighbor. Doing a cold turkey on such a way of living is always going to promote violence and criminal activity. It's bad enough now, it's going to get a lot worse soon. It is going to make the riot look like My little Pony.
Pro Ukraine

Stalybridge, UK

#6 Feb 19, 2014
Joker wrote:
This is crazy. The government was just waiting to crack down on them. The protesters gave them the current quasi dictatorship regime a reason to use force. Next is going to be curfew and then marshal law if the situation gets out of hand.
All this makes more sense when you think that the entire protest and protesters were hired by the US and EU to wreak havoc and balkanize Ukraine.
Anyone who lives in Kiev and actually went down to see the protesters would immediately understand that the protesters didnt accidentally pop up. These are trained protesters who are getting a paycheck to destroy. The look on their face, aura, manner and the way they carry themselves gives it away all to easily
All the ignorant westerners who think that this protest is for the Ukrainians need to haul themselves out here and see first hand how a country steps towards dictatorship. I guarantee you in three years, Ukraine will become the second Belarus , infact most likely worse than Belarus.. And at this point, Ukrainians have no other choice but to let the country run its course. They were too busy hooked on easy credit and a life of consumption followed by lifestyle of welfare. It is too late to do anything but default and pray that Yanukovich will somehow get taken out before he owns the entire country.
Why do you and others post such nonsensical propaganda?
Yes every single protestor is being paid by the West, all one hundred thousand of those who came to the early demonstrations. You think people don't have a mind of their own? When they think something's not right then they will protest about it, Yanukovich inflamed the situation when he flew straight to Moscow to do a deal with Putin straight after refusing to sign the EU deal, the idiot then made things even worse by rushing a bill through parliament banning public demonstrations.
Yanukovich must thus accept a large part of the responsibility for what is now happening, if he had let the original EU demonstrations fade before making his next move the situation now would probably be entirely different.

You were on the streets! I don't believe you're that brave, you're probably cowering in the basement of the bar you drink in all day.
Pro Ukraine

Stalybridge, UK

#7 Feb 19, 2014
Joker wrote:
<quoted text>
This is all orchestrated by Yanukovich. The psycopath wants money (foreign aid, IMF, Russia) so he can buy assets for pennies on the dollar and own the entire country when it defaults sometime soon.
Contrary to many peoples' belief I believe Yanukovich isn't on any side. He just wants to be a dictator, a god in Ukraine. If Europe gives him money, he'll side with Europe. If Zimbabwe gives him money, he'll sleep with them. Europe never intended to give him money and which is why they gave him a demand that would never come to fruit, which is releasing Timoshenko. For the time being, Russia is the nation that is giving him the best chances of fulfilling his wishes. Also 800 million which EU promised wouldn't even last 2 weeks and Ukraine would have defaulted in January.
America only wants a NATO base out here and Americans are only concerned with the "beautiful" women of Ukraine.
Quite honestly the country has kicked the can down the road too far. It will run its course until the very end, which is coming soon. The problem I see for Ukraine is that compared to Belarus, the people are a lot more violent and thuggish, and corrupt. And I'm not talking about the cops and Belarussians (in general). I am talking about the entire nation. Lukashenko knows that attacking tourists is a bad idea, because tourists bring in hard currency (USD), which is why the cops and ordinary people in Belarus don't harass tourists as much as in Ukraine. In fact Belarus is much more safer than Ukraine in general. I doubt that the Ukrainians can get out of that bribe and extortion way of living. It is just so easy to make up for what you lack by being corrupt. I know of no one in this country that does not accept bribes. Corruption is just a way of life here. And to make matters worse, people here are hooked on easy credit, consumption, and keeping up with the next door neighbor. Doing a cold turkey on such a way of living is always going to promote violence and criminal activity. It's bad enough now, it's going to get a lot worse soon. It is going to make the riot look like My little Pony.
How do you expect anybody to take your comments seriously when you say things like people and police harass tourists in Ukraine? That is completely untrue.
Ukraine is a safe place for tourists and I very much doubt that you've ever been to Belarus, so how do you know what it's like there, I haven't either so instead of making something up like you I make no comment on the situation there.

Congratulations Jester, you've won RT's propagandist of the month.:-)
guest

United States

#8 Feb 19, 2014
American wrote:
That's what Europe said to Germany. And low and behold, heir Hitler had his own 'pravy sektor' to pave the way and lead the charge, then grow itself fat and large.
Read some elementary history, chumsy.
Yeah, and when the U.S. was attacked, we went all over the world, including Europe, and kicked ass.

Look, it's not the responsibility of the U.S. to play the world's policeman. We can't afford to become entangled in the internal affairs of foreign nations. Hmm...seems like that's exactly what George Washington warned us against doing in his farewell address.

Read some elementary history, fuck knuckle.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#9 Feb 19, 2014
American wrote:
<quoted text>
That's what Europe said to Germany. And low and behold, heir Hitler had his own 'pravy sektor' to pave the way and lead the charge, then grow itself fat and large.
Read some elementary history, chumsy.
You're comparing Pravy Sektor which has a handful of members to the millions strong nazis?

The situation is hardly comparable, you dumbkopf.
Joker

Kiev, Ukraine

#10 Feb 19, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>How do you expect anybody to take your comments seriously when you say things like people and police harass tourists in Ukraine? That is completely untrue.
Ukraine is a safe place for tourists and I very much doubt that you've ever been to Belarus, so how do you know what it's like there, I haven't either so instead of making something up like you I make no comment on the situation there.
Congratulations Jester, you've won RT's propagandist of the month.:-)
Obviously you're a ukey farmer, no one bothers you. I know the head honcho of the airport, oh never mind. LOL

It all begins with the customs agents at your local airport, harassing tourists. Then the cab drivers try to scalp you. Then the cops harass any tourist with a motor vehicle.

You truly are stupid, you street cleaning farmer.
guest

United States

#11 Feb 19, 2014
Joker wrote:
Obviously you're a ukey farmer, no one bothers you. I know the head honcho of the airport, oh never mind. LOL
It all begins with the customs agents at your local airport, harassing tourists. Then the cab drivers try to scalp you. Then the cops harass any tourist with a motor vehicle.
You truly are stupid, you street cleaning farmer.
Sounds like a nice place Joker. Tell me, why should westerners care that you can't control the violence inside your own borders? We'll just vacation somewhere else.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#12 Feb 19, 2014
Joker wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you're a ukey farmer, no one bothers you. I know the head honcho of the airport, oh never mind. LOL
It all begins with the customs agents at your local airport, harassing tourists. Then the cab drivers try to scalp you. Then the cops harass any tourist with a motor vehicle.
You truly are stupid, you street cleaning farmer.
Cab drivers ask if you want a taxi, they're easily dismissed and they don't carry on harassing you after you've refused, you really do like to exaggerate things don't you, it's no different than in any other country.
American

Montpelier, VT

#13 Feb 19, 2014
Pro Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text> it's no different than in any other country.
Of course Ukraine is different. It prefers violent overthrows of democratically elected leaders and civil war to the ballot box. And we in the west spent so much time and money nurturing them. What a waste.
untermensch

Treysa, Germany

#14 Feb 19, 2014
what the inhabitans of ukraine are doing right now ,will only serve Europe to where they do not belong and never were. they could 1991 have merged and allied with Poland or Romania. isnt that all the promised heaven that is Europe. no of course that is not for them, because they can not profit from it . they need some milked cow state like Germany.
American

Montpelier, VT

#15 Feb 19, 2014
What EU member in their right mind would want Ukraine in their midst now?

Only a government of masochists.
Pro Ukraine

UK

#16 Feb 20, 2014
American wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course Ukraine is different. It prefers violent overthrows of democratically elected leaders and civil war to the ballot box. And we in the west spent so much time and money nurturing them. What a waste.
I was talking about tourists, can you read?
Pro Ukraine

UK

#17 Feb 20, 2014
untermensch wrote:
what the inhabitans of ukraine are doing right now ,will only serve Europe to where they do not belong and never were. they could 1991 have merged and allied with Poland or Romania. isnt that all the promised heaven that is Europe. no of course that is not for them, because they can not profit from it . they need some milked cow state like Germany.
Merged with Poland or Romania!? it gained independence after a long struggle and you're suggesting it should have given it up immediately?
Go back to Putin's office of disimformation.
untermensch

Treysa, Germany

#18 Feb 20, 2014
what kind of independence did Ukraine gained 1991 if you see it from the perspective of a Ukrainian in Lviv.! there was still spoken russian in over half of the territory of Ukraine. there could have been military confrontations and succesion atempts like in neighbouring Moldova.
So being in a Union with all european nations like Poland and Romania is equal to giving up Independence.? that just shows the real nature of their motivations.
Moldovans and Romanians are see by them as arabs !
Pro Ukraine

UK

#19 Feb 20, 2014
untermensch wrote:
what kind of independence did Ukraine gained 1991 if you see it from the perspective of a Ukrainian in Lviv.! there was still spoken russian in over half of the territory of Ukraine. there could have been military confrontations and succesion atempts like in neighbouring Moldova.
So being in a Union with all european nations like Poland and Romania is equal to giving up Independence.? that just shows the real nature of their motivations.
Moldovans and Romanians are see by them as arabs !
You think people in the Russian speaking areas would have stopped speaking Russian if Ukraine had merged with Poland and Romania?
You said "merged", not a union, that is different, how do you know if Poles or Romanians would have wanted it?
untermensch

Treysa, Germany

#20 Feb 20, 2014
when in all history did ukrainians had a own state please. most of its western part was prior to 1940 always with Poles, I never heard ukrainian complaining about that.
I am not talking about the folks in the carpathian mountains who basicly are a relict population similiar to Sami people in scandinavia who just do not move around!

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