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Surprised? Some Climate Scientists Trying to Connect Hurricane Sandy With Global Warming

There are 156 comments on the TheBlaze.com story from Oct 29, 2012, titled Surprised? Some Climate Scientists Trying to Connect Hurricane Sandy With Global Warming. In it, TheBlaze.com reports that:

Every time there's a massive weather event - like Hurricane Sandy affecting much of the East Coast early this week - climatologists are called upon to answer the question of whether this weather is evidence of global warming.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at TheBlaze.com.

PHD

Cibolo, TX

#21 Oct 31, 2012
responder wrote:
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Who the hell appointed YOU the debate monitor around here?
Actually you did by posting your statement. Thanks for granting the license to me and everyone out there to become the debate monitor. Hay who appointed you the grinch of this debate?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#22 Oct 31, 2012
Adrian Godsafe MSc wrote:
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Also agreed.
Would advise that the barrier island communities buried by sand now preserve the sand and lift up the houses, and re road the top. Sandy definitely lived up to its name there. Also suggest that beachfront houses now standing high and dry in the tide zone be abandoned. This is not a new recommendation as it happened to Carolina real estate a decade or so ago.
There has long been a link between barrier island position and sea level rise on the USA E. coast, and this one provided an object lesson on this shallowly dipping coastlne.
Have a nice day: Ag
ps.
Not so far seen a link between Bush era climate denial and the "great depression"; appears that Sandy fits that link rather well, as also did Katrina as I recall.
Top marks to the current Dem incumbents for giving FEMA a poke in the right direction early.
you do know that those barrier islands are not permanent natural structures, don't you? they move and shift throughout the centuries and that is what hte problem is in the Carolinas, people are trying to keep nature from doing what it has always done...

“Geologist [I'm Climate Change]”

Since: Mar 07

formerly Nuneaton

#23 Oct 31, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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Every scientific academy on the plane says it's warming, we're responsible and we need to do something about it.
A bit late.

Global climate is now doing something about it. Climate has now changed from mode#2 to mode#3 (more efficient). Now got a weak El Nino on the way.

Incidentally, Sandy very closely resembles the "Burns day" winter storm of 1989 or thereabouts on our side of the pond with windspeeds of similar rate and central low pressure of similar value. Would like to see post Blair resumption of central low pressure readings on UK weather reports as omissions tend to result in a rather large increase in damage and deaths due to lack of preparation.
Weather in UK in El Nino winter time tends to get very lively over here so weather likely to be coming out in sympathy relatively soon in UK.

Have a nice day: Ag
litesong

Everett, WA

#24 Oct 31, 2012
responder wrote:
I don't see it as incontrovertible evidence of warming's effects.....
Even as it alone was, Sandy showed AGW. Coupled with U.S. heatwaves, Russian forest fires coupled by the jet stream to Pakistani floods, Australian record temperatures, winter rainfall & summer drought, both increasing in the Pacific Northwest, soaring Arctic temperatures & collapsing Arctic Ice Pack, lack of the 100 year record TSI solar low to cool the Earth, we got AGW..... AGW right here in River City..... which causes the river to run THRU River City.
litesong

Everett, WA

#25 Oct 31, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice, either by satellite or submarine data, is above the 2007 and 2011 Arctic sea ice extent AND, a month plus later than 'normal', the sea ice average for the decades of 2000's, THE 1990's, AND the 1980's, at 7,390,313 km2 (October 29, 2012), the day's gain, Iowa-sized. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for six weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel, NOT NOW lower than the last three weeks of dates for 2007 & other recent years, temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -20 degC. After the Arctic cold outbreak, which is adding three plus feet of snow to the results of Hurricane Sandy, Arctic cold is once more building.

Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is higher than 2007, 2011, 2000's, 1990's, & 1980's sea ice extent for yesterday's date at 7,498,438 km2 (October 30, 2012), the day's gain, Tennessee-sized. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have stabilized, at -17 degC. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, numerous areas into minus teen digits, including many northern Canadian islands. THE SOLID SWATH OF COLD SIBERIAN TEMPS are at -16 to -19degC. The vast open Arctic waters north of Siberia have nearly been covered by Arctic Ice Pack. The huge sea ice floes that strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 6 plus weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?), have done their job AND connected the Ice Pack to the entire Siberian coastline, truly a remarkable development!

However, Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard are still clear of the Ice Pack & so is the northern coast of Alaska!!

A detail noted 3 weeks ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Twenty days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Nineteen days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!
Further data, show that the vortex was true!

Downwelling solar heats, in unusual clear Arctic Ocean & seas, normally sea ice covered in decades past, which have strongly transported extra solar energy to continental shelf, sea & Ocean depths for 4 months, is over. The sun is now a full 13.5+ Arc-degrees below the horizon as seen from the North Pole. Now, only Alaskan, far north European, & far western Russian southern Arctic seas get a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only single digit degrees off the horizon, at most!

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#26 Oct 31, 2012
maybe more of you libs need to switch to hybrids and cloth grocery bags?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#27 Oct 31, 2012
litesong wrote:
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Even as it alone was, Sandy showed AGW. Coupled with U.S. heatwaves, Russian forest fires coupled by the jet stream to Pakistani floods, Australian record temperatures, winter rainfall & summer drought, both increasing in the Pacific Northwest, soaring Arctic temperatures & collapsing Arctic Ice Pack, lack of the 100 year record TSI solar low to cool the Earth, we got AGW..... AGW right here in River City..... which causes the river to run THRU River City.
How did a complete;y regular and normal hurricane show AGW?

“Geologist [I'm Climate Change]”

Since: Mar 07

formerly Nuneaton

#28 Oct 31, 2012
litesong wrote:
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Even as it alone was, Sandy showed AGW. Coupled with U.S. heatwaves, Russian forest fires coupled by the jet stream to Pakistani floods, Australian record temperatures, winter rainfall & summer drought, both increasing in the Pacific Northwest, soaring Arctic temperatures & collapsing Arctic Ice Pack, lack of the 100 year record TSI solar low to cool the Earth, we got AGW..... AGW right here in River City..... which causes the river to run THRU River City.
That & later post more like it.

Mode#3 is much more efficient at cooling the planet as it redistributes the heat in the equatorial ocean & dry land equatorial rainbelt toward the poles via E travelling monsoonal flows and squall lines in a general drought between the squall lines. This leads to a lot of stormy weather in the temperate rainbelt and a much more efficent heating @ the poles, hence a major ice out.

Sadly mode#3 is the kiss of death for the gulf stream which is the feature of interglacial climate so it will relatively quickly shut down (a few decades). Climate mode#4 then follows.

So... not only is the climate changing more rapidly than bulk political opinion, it will also eventually change more rapidly than the reportage can manage. It takes 6 days to change from one climate mode to another, and in strong El Nino years in particular, all 4 climate modes may show up in less than a month, in a succession of #2,#3,#4,#1 then back to #2 with a major polar ice out and a lot of downed infrastructure. It last did this in 1997-98 and sent George W Bush totally Gaga,(everybody wince & say "ouch").

Oops almost forgot; Climate Mode#3 and #4 in particular are much more efficient @ cooling the planet, mode#3 removes ice ajd drops rain and bloody great big hailstones, mode#4 lays the ice back down as lots & lots of new snow.

Have a nice day: Ag
responder

Columbus, OH

#29 Oct 31, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
Actually, no. The warming models do not predict more hurricanes. there is far more to making a hurricane than just warm water. The models do predict larger storms.
>>Which is what Sandy was, and what I was talking about. And it's far from clear-cut whether there will be more storms or not.
Sandy was a tropical storm when it made landfall. it happened to do that at highest tide and while meeting up with another normal storm coming vrom the midwest.
>>Technically true, but of course it had been a hurricane right up UNTIL it made landfall. Kind of disingenuous of you, since almost ANY category 1 would drop to tropical storm level when it hit land.
you do not do the global warming movement any justice by hyping regular ol' storms into global warming doosday scenarios
>>Which I wasn't doing, putz. Try READING my post next time.
responder

Columbus, OH

#30 Oct 31, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
maybe more of you libs need to switch to hybrids and cloth grocery bags?
Good idea...maybe only the rednecks will be killed by the increased storms their own efforts at global warming will bring.

That'd be poetic justice, huh? LOL
responder

Columbus, OH

#31 Oct 31, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Actually you did by posting your statement. Thanks for granting the license to me and everyone out there to become the debate monitor. Hay who appointed you the grinch of this debate?
Because asking the question made it so?

LOL

You're a loon....:)

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#32 Oct 31, 2012
responder wrote:
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Good idea...maybe only the rednecks will be killed by the increased storms their own efforts at global warming will bring.
That'd be poetic justice, huh? LOL
Naw, in the south, global warming is not recognized, we're gonna let you silly lib yankees deal with it.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#33 Oct 31, 2012
responder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, no. The warming models do not predict more hurricanes. there is far more to making a hurricane than just warm water. The models do predict larger storms.
>>Which is what Sandy was, and what I was talking about. And it's far from clear-cut whether there will be more storms or not.
Sandy was a tropical storm when it made landfall. it happened to do that at highest tide and while meeting up with another normal storm coming vrom the midwest.
>>Technically true, but of course it had been a hurricane right up UNTIL it made landfall. Kind of disingenuous of you, since almost ANY category 1 would drop to tropical storm level when it hit land.
you do not do the global warming movement any justice by hyping regular ol' storms into global warming doosday scenarios
>>Which I wasn't doing, putz. Try READING my post next time.
You said it was a huge storm, and you said the models predict more storms. they do not and it was not.

yes, it was an oddity as it coincided witha early winter storm and a full moon.(maybe it has to do with the full moon making humans act weird hoax also?)

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#34 Oct 31, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
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Naw, in the south, global warming is not recognized, we're gonna let you silly lib yankees deal with it.
In the south, science is not recognized, so....

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#35 Oct 31, 2012
responder wrote:
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Good idea...maybe only the rednecks will be killed by the increased storms their own efforts at global warming will bring.
That'd be poetic justice, huh? LOL
perhaps the washed up double wides will start a new ecosystem to replace the dying coral reefs? Barrio reefs?
litesong

Everett, WA

#36 Oct 31, 2012
woodtickheinz57 wrote:
How did.....
toxic topix AGW deniers, assigning homework, who couldn't do science & mathematics homework, & never had upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc is deplorable.

AGW scientists already have answered your silliness, but you couldn't understand it. I love toxic topix AGW deniers to remain as stupid as they have chosen to be.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#37 Oct 31, 2012
global warming is God's method of cleansing the planet of humans, that experiment failed. In a few million years, he may let it cool and try again. Next time, he would be wise not to include muslims, that part of his experiment went terribly awry.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#38 Oct 31, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
global warming is God's method of cleansing the planet of humans, that experiment failed. In a few million years, he may let it cool and try again. Next time, he would be wise not to include muslims, that part of his experiment went terribly awry.
Muslims and christians worship the same god. you should learn about these two cults before you post about them...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#39 Oct 31, 2012
litesong wrote:
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toxic topix AGW deniers, assigning homework, who couldn't do science & mathematics homework, & never had upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc is deplorable.
AGW scientists already have answered your silliness, but you couldn't understand it. I love toxic topix AGW deniers to remain as stupid as they have chosen to be.
You know nothing about my views on global warming..

you are doing a disservice to your own beliefs on this subject by claiming that hurricane sandy is proof of AGW. the science does not back up that claim in any way.

perhaps you need the third grade level classes on this subject?
responder

Columbus, OH

#40 Oct 31, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
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Naw, in the south, global warming is not recognized, we're gonna let you silly lib yankees deal with it.
No surprise that crackers deny the facts, they still think they won the Civil War and that it was started by the North! LOL

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