The Fed's next land fight: New Mexico ranchers angered over water fenced off to cattle

There are 20 comments on the May 11, 2014, Washington Times story titled The Fed's next land fight: New Mexico ranchers angered over water fenced off to cattle. In it, Washington Times reports that:

The Obama administration's crackdown on Western land use has sparked a furor over the Forest Service's decision to fence off a creek used by thirsty cattle in drought-stricken Otero County, New Mexico.

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Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#1 May 12, 2014
We the People Voted away our Power.

Water decisions over the last century are now coming home to roost.

Wait till water meters are made mandatory on all private wells.
of course

Albuquerque, NM

#2 May 12, 2014
the 47%ers don't care since they don't work they just take from those who do got my obama phone don't need notin else
Two

Santa Fe, NM

#3 May 12, 2014
posts from the lunatic fringe.
Tony Betterton

Las Vegas, NV

#4 May 12, 2014
Of course, another pathetic parrot response that has nothing to do with this issue. Yes, I believe the forest service is overreaching on this situation, but there is always room for compromise.
Greed

Albuquerque, NM

#5 May 12, 2014
FYI, this "debate" has been going on since we displaced the native population to make room for the ranchers. Now the ranchers stopped compromising after their cattle messed up the water supply, ignoring the advice of the Forest Service.

“come to Richie,, ”

Since: Nov 10

4-corners man

#6 May 12, 2014
Greed wrote:
FYI, this "debate" has been going on since we displaced the native population to make room for the ranchers. Now the ranchers stopped compromising after their cattle messed up the water supply, ignoring the advice of the Forest Service.
Truth!!
whatever

Cloudcroft, NM

#7 May 12, 2014
Land Locked Sailor wrote:
We the People Voted away our Power.
Water decisions over the last century are now coming home to roost.
Wait till water meters are made mandatory on all private wells.
That's only if they can get on my property without being properly taken of!!!
Nobody

Santa Fe, NM

#8 May 12, 2014
whatever wrote:
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That's only if they can get on my property without being properly taken of!!!
is talking about private property here. The issue is fouling water and wrecking riparian areas on public land.
whatever

Cloudcroft, NM

#9 May 12, 2014
Nobody wrote:
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is talking about private property here. The issue is fouling water and wrecking riparian areas on public land.
Listen closely moron, ranchers have a property right with respect to their grants. It's not a coincidence that there issues are coming up during the imperial presidency!
now

Santa Fe, NM

#10 May 12, 2014
whatever wrote:
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quit lying. The Forest Service policy is clear and has been for a long time. The only connection to the president is that every racist yahoo out there is being emboldened by other un-American phony patriots and their violent threats against civil society.

"Grazing permits authorize livestock grazing on National Forest System (NFS) lands. The holding of such permits is a privilege, not a property right".

"A grazing permit may be suspended or canceled in whole or in part if the permittee is convicted for failure to comply with Federal laws or regulations, State or local laws relating to livestock control, protection of air, water, soil and vegetation, fish and wildlife, and other environmental values when exercising the grazing use authorized by the permit (36 CFR 222.4(a)(6))."

222.3 Issuance of grazing and livestock use permits.
(a) Unless otherwise specified by the Chief, Forest Service, all grazing and livestock use on National Forest System lands and on other lands under Forest Service control must be authorized by a grazing or livestock use permit.

(b) Grazing permits and livestock use permits convey no right, title, or interest held by the United States in any lands or resources.

According to the Multiple Use Sustained-Yield Act of 1960, "It is the policy of the Congress that the National Forests are established and shall be administered for outdoor recreation, range, timber, watershed, and wildlife and fish purposes."

Current Forest Service objectives for the range management program are:

1.To manage range vegetation to protect basic soil and water resources, provide for ecological diversity, improve or maintain environmental quality, and meet public needs for interrelated resource uses.

2.To integrate management of range vegetation with other resource programs to achieve multiple use objectives contained in Forest land and resource management plans.

3.To provide for livestock forage, wildlife food and habitat, outdoor recreation, and other resource values dependent on range vegetation.

4.To contribute to the economic and social well being of people by providing opportunities for economic diversity and by promoting stability for communities that depends on range resources for their livelihood.

5.To provide expertise on range ecology, botany, and management of grazing animals.

It was never the intent of the Congress that all uses would occur on all areas. Individual forests determine what uses are feasible and appropriate for different areas through the development and revision of the Land and Resource Management Plans. Once a determination has been made that grazing is feasible and appropriate for an area, grazing is planned and managed taking into consideration all the other uses of the area.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#11 May 13, 2014
now wrote:
<quoted text>
quit lying. The Forest Service policy is clear and has been for a long time. The only connection to the president is that every racist yahoo out there is being emboldened by other un-American phony patriots and their violent threats against civil society.
"Grazing permits authorize livestock grazing on National Forest System (NFS) lands. The holding of such permits is a privilege, not a property right".
"A grazing permit may be suspended or canceled in whole or in part if the permittee is convicted for failure to comply with Federal laws or regulations, State or local laws relating to livestock control, protection of air, water, soil and vegetation, fish and wildlife, and other environmental values when exercising the grazing use authorized by the permit (36 CFR 222.4(a)(6))."
222.3 Issuance of grazing and livestock use permits.
(a) Unless otherwise specified by the Chief, Forest Service, all grazing and livestock use on National Forest System lands and on other lands under Forest Service control must be authorized by a grazing or livestock use permit.
(b) Grazing permits and livestock use permits convey no right, title, or interest held by the United States in any lands or resources.
According to the Multiple Use Sustained-Yield Act of 1960, "It is the policy of the Congress that the National Forests are established and shall be administered for outdoor recreation, range, timber, watershed, and wildlife and fish purposes."
Current Forest Service objectives for the range management program are:
1.To manage range vegetation to protect basic soil and water resources, provide for ecological diversity, improve or maintain environmental quality, and meet public needs for interrelated resource uses.
2.To integrate management of range vegetation with other resource programs to achieve multiple use objectives contained in Forest land and resource management plans.
3.To provide for livestock forage, wildlife food and habitat, outdoor recreation, and other resource values dependent on range vegetation.
4.To contribute to the economic and social well being of people by providing opportunities for economic diversity and by promoting stability for communities that depends on range resources for their livelihood.
5.To provide expertise on range ecology, botany, and management of grazing animals.
It was never the intent of the Congress that all uses would occur on all areas. Individual forests determine what uses are feasible and appropriate for different areas through the development and revision of the Land and Resource Management Plans. Once a determination has been made that grazing is feasible and appropriate for an area, grazing is planned and managed taking into consideration all the other uses of the area.
Control the water, control the local ranchers. An attempt to force them off of their land????
Hey

Santa Fe, NM

#12 May 13, 2014
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>???
stupid. Read before posting. It is federal land, managed for multiple uses. Not their land, not their water.
Tony Betterton

United States

#13 May 13, 2014
I'm really glad I don't have a son named Ralph.
Ken Bass Sux

Alamogordo, NM

#14 May 13, 2014
Land Locked Sailor wrote:
We the People Voted away our Power.
Water decisions over the last century are now coming home to roost.
Wait till water meters are made mandatory on all private wells.
Sounds like otero county carpetbagger Ken Bass (95.1 fm).
Tony Betterton

Las Vegas, NV

#15 May 13, 2014
New organic food label: Grass fed,watered illegally on Forest Service Land.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#16 May 13, 2014
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
stupid. Read before posting. It is federal land, managed for multiple uses. Not their land, not their water.
I did read, oh brilliant one.
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#17 May 13, 2014
Tony Betterton wrote:
I'm really glad I don't have a son named Ralph.
I am too! I are gratefull I are not one either!
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#18 May 13, 2014
Tony Betterton wrote:
New organic food label: Grass fed,watered illegally on Forest Service Land.
Man. It does not get more organic than that! Do the cattle chew through the fence, or is it removed in another manner?
Ralph

Bloomingdale, IN

#19 May 13, 2014
Hey wrote:
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stupid. Read before posting. It is federal land, managed for multiple uses. Not their land, not their water.
Hay stupid would have been a nicer touch.
Yvonne in HB

Huntington Beach, CA

#20 Dec 18, 2014
Ken Bass Sux wrote:
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Sounds like otero county carpetbagger Ken Bass (95.1 fm).
This comment was in response to a post by Land Locked Sailor. I thought they sounded like the same person, too. Oh, Ken...or is it Uncle Fester...or should it be Bass Hole? This person posting long ago said you suck. Indeed!

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