Cooling could continue for 20 to 30 y...

Cooling could continue for 20 to 30 years

There are 40 comments on the www.dailymail.co.uk story from Jan 10, 2010, titled Cooling could continue for 20 to 30 years. In it, www.dailymail.co.uk reports that:

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world's most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013.

The scientists’ predictions also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise. They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a ‘warm mode’ as opposed to the present ‘cold mode’. This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never be described as global warming ‘deniers’ or sceptics.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#23 Jan 12, 2010
Northie wrote:
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Yeah, I notice that Iria chooses numerous articles from The Daily Mail, which is basically Fox News in print.
Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.. ;-)
Mr Giblets

Kidderminster, UK

#24 Jan 12, 2010
Northie wrote:
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Yeah, I notice that Iria chooses numerous articles from The Daily Mail, which is basically Fox News in print.
the Daily Mail has NO connection at all with Fox News. It is a British paper owned by the Northcliffe family. it can write rubbish, like a liberal paper, but QUOTES are QUOTES. prove they are wrong, but don't make silly claims. You have made enough about the weather already.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#26 Jan 12, 2010
Perhaps I should have said the Daily Mail is like a cross between Fox News and The National Enquirer...

"According to a December 2004 survey, 53% of Daily Mail readers voted for the Conservative Party, compared to 21% for Labour...The Mail takes an anti-EU, anti-abortion view, based upon 'traditional values', and is pro-capitalism and pro-monarchy, as well as, in some cases, advocating stricter punishments for crime. It also often calls for lower levels of taxation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#27 Jan 12, 2010
Mr Giblets wrote:
but QUOTES are QUOTES. prove they are wrong,
Not when they're made up they're not, and it's hard to prove you never said something.
Call Dr. Latif up and ask him if accepts the IPCC’s finding that, as he put it, most of the warming in the past century was very likely due to human causes. He had me reread the quotes attributed to him a number of times, asking twice,“those are direct quotes?” After I did, he said to me:“I don’t know what to do. They just make these things up.”
http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/11/foxnews...
Chicago Hope and Change

United States

#28 Jan 12, 2010
tina anne wrote:
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Yes change is here. The weather will go through another cooling period and there will be people like you running around proclaiming that a ice age is coming and tell the rest of us to change to the exact same solutions that they proclaimed were the answer to global warming.
So far whenever someone like you trys to implement economic and socal justice they end up comitting more crimes and hurting more people. Pol Pot was just one of the last try try it and ask those in Cambodia how that worked. Oh wait many of those people ended up dead.
Your post was another example of the boundless potential of ring wing dementia.
Climate science is as solid as bedrock and as certain as gravity.
Only the flat earth deniers and FauxNews are confused.
Why do you want to be an eco-terrorist?
Why do you want to contribute to an environmental holocaust?
Why do you want to kill millions of children?
Stop being a denier.
Brick up your fireplace and throw away your BBQ.
Big Oil and Capitalism is a fantasy and cult of death.

CHANGE is here!
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#29 Jan 12, 2010
It's not all bad news then:
In an interview today, Dr. Latif told me “we don’t trust our forecast beyond 2015&#8243; and “it is just as likely you’ll see accelerated warming” after then. Indeed, in his published research, rapid warming is all-but-inevitable over the next two decades. He told me,“you can’t miss the long-term warming trend” in the temperature record, which is “driven by the evolution of greenhouse gases.” Finally, he pointed out “Our work does not allow one to make any inferences about global warming.”
http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/intervi...
Let's hope he's right and warming does return, "with a vengeance" soon.
dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#30 Jan 12, 2010
Climate science is the most complex system on this planet. By contemporary scientific standards it is equivalent to chaos theory... as nicknamed "The Butterfly Effect".

Yet, it is claimed that science knows how to manipulate this most complex system by simply adjusting one variable (co2) by a mere fraction of 1%. Seems ABSURDLY fatuous, IMO.
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#31 Jan 12, 2010
dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Climate science is the most complex system on this planet. By contemporary scientific standards it is equivalent to chaos theory... as nicknamed "The Butterfly Effect".
Yet, it is claimed that science knows how to manipulate this most complex system by simply adjusting one variable (co2) by a mere fraction of 1%. Seems ABSURDLY fatuous, IMO.
The idea equates to throwing a straw at a drowning man in the hope it will support his weight.
Chicago Hope and Change

United States

#32 Jan 12, 2010
Earthling wrote:
It's not all bad news then:<quoted text>
http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/01/intervi...
Let's hope he's right and warming does return, "with a vengeance" soon.
Hopefully this summer will be blazing hot.
There may be some suffering and deaths short term but that should shut up the deniers.
They are evil killers in a cult of death.

Since: Sep 09

Calgary, Canada

#33 Jan 12, 2010
Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
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Hopefully this summer will be blazing hot.
There may be some suffering and deaths short term but that should shut up the deniers.
They are evil killers in a cult of death.
It sounds a lot more like you're the one hoping for deaths from your cult of warming.

Meanwhile the warming at the end of the 20th century stalled after 2001:

pretty graphs of global temperature averages updated monthly:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnost...
http://tinyurl.com/cvnzt7

And this despite the enthusiasm of the IPCC who claimed warming would continue unabated. Figure 10.4, page 762 of the IPCC Fourth Report shows their projected temperatures for this year to be more than 0.1 degrees warmer than actual:
http://tinyurl.com/2wjytr

Theories make predictions.

Theories are tested against their predictions.

When the predictions FAIL, it's time the theory was re-examined, reconsidered, re-evaluated, or just re-jected.
Fun Facts

AOL

#34 Jan 13, 2010
Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
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Hopefully this summer will be blazing hot.
There may be some suffering and deaths short term but that should shut up the deniers.
They are evil killers in a cult of death.
Someone who wishes death and suffering on other people to support his/her belief, has no standing on which to accuse others of being 'evil killers'.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#35 Jan 13, 2010
Fun Facts wrote:
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Someone who wishes death and suffering on other people to support his/her belief, has no standing on which to accuse others of being 'evil killers'.
Don't you get it? Chicago Hope is one of yours, with a satirical bent.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#36 Jan 13, 2010
Northie wrote:
Don't you get it?...
How long have you known?

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#37 Jan 13, 2010
Northie wrote:
Perhaps I should have said the Daily Mail is like a cross between Fox News and The National Enquirer...
"According to a December 2004 survey, 53% of Daily Mail readers voted for the Conservative Party, compared to 21% for Labour...The Mail takes an anti-EU, anti-abortion view, based upon 'traditional values', and is pro-capitalism and pro-monarchy, as well as, in some cases, advocating stricter punishments for crime. It also often calls for lower levels of taxation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail
And yet you rely on wiki which has an even worse reputation.

What you really mean is that it spread the part of the story you do not want seen. To tell the rest of the story as the late Paul Harvey use to say. It sounds like it is a great read. Espically calling for lower taxes and stricter punishment for crime.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#38 Jan 13, 2010
Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
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Your post was another example of the boundless potential of ring wing dementia.
Climate science is as solid as bedrock and as certain as gravity.
Only the flat earth deniers and FauxNews are confused.
Why do you want to be an eco-terrorist?
Why do you want to contribute to an environmental holocaust?
Why do you want to kill millions of children?
Stop being a denier.
Brick up your fireplace and throw away your BBQ.
Big Oil and Capitalism is a fantasy and cult of death.
CHANGE is here!
We can now add geology and physics to the list of things you do not know. The only certain thing in climate science is how little we actually know about the subject.

You talk about things like eco terroist and killing children yet all the eco terrorist are on your side. All the ones who want to abort unborn children are people like yourself. The ones who don't want children are yours.

Your the one who needs to join the real world. Yours is the fantasy of a bunch of men pulling a plow while the rains arrive at just the right time and there is no drought or flooding, no famine or crop failures. Yours is the world where many would die of stravation and malnutrition.

Why not stop being a left over looser from the sixties.

http://www.ncp.edu.pk/docs/ssne/Zulfiqar_Ahma...

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#39 Jan 13, 2010
Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
<quoted text>
Hopefully this summer will be blazing hot.
There may be some suffering and deaths short term but that should shut up the deniers.
They are evil killers in a cult of death.
Then your out of luck. Half of the US is predicted to be cool and dry while the rest is predicted to be cool and wet. I predicting the golbal ice age bit is going to really gain ground if next winter is like this one.

Also it is ironic that you talk about a cult of death and your the one who wants people to die so you can advance your agenda. Lucky us skeptics refuse to let them shut down all those power plants that pwoer all that A/C.
Earthling

Hellín, Spain

#40 Jan 13, 2010
Northie wrote:
Don't you get it? Chicago Hope is one of yours, with a satirical bent.
You wish!
Chicago and lightsout, aka libidodown, are fine examples of warmist cult followers.
The 'apparently' more intelligent warmist cult posters, are simply proof that brainwashing actually works, mainly because they don't appear to have an ounce of doubt between them.
albedodown

Everett, WA

#43 Sep 19, 2012
Excellent Blast from the Past:
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Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
Not surprising.
Some bunch of toothless, racist, right wing, denialist that infect FauxNews.
I would love to see FauxNews taken off the air.
Would put an end to this garbage.
There is no room for those who hate Obama and deny AGW.
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albedodown wrote:
Totally agree with you. I have continually pointed out specifically, the pukey, proud racist pigs infesting topix AGW forums. & topix has been instrumental in aiding & abetting racist &/or criminal posts of deniers by deleting criminal evidence, BUT NOT BANNING THE POSTERS.
Lead pukey, proud racist pigisms come from dirtling, earthling has no brain, eart hling (alien has no affinity to Earth),'injun killer'(has no love for humans). I've posted his words many times, today being one of the days.
bob burns has posted alleged threats of gun death, rape, torture, intimidation towards my wife & me. Several times he has posted that I can remove the word alleged from my accusations because he is proud of his leprous denier words. As with dirtling's words, I have posted bob burns' alleged criminal posts. topix' actions against bob burns have been the same as with dirtling. topix has deleted the alleged criminal posts of bob burns, but HAVE NOT BANNED bob burns.
Raptor in Michigan has posted leprous racist pig words against the First Lady & JRS has supported his words.
People have accused brian_g of racism, also. I have accused brian_g of alleged threats, alleged stalking, & intimidation. Again, topix deleted brian_g's posts, BUT WILL NOT BAN brian_g.
Other deniers also hold racist views. That we may have a concise compilation of pukey, proud racist pig deniers, please feel free to announce yourself that we may add your membership to the pukey proud racist pig &/or threatener, stalker, intimidator denier brian_g 'ganghood'.
topix has taken a strong position of support of AGW deniers on these topix AGW forums.
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'Chicago Hope & Change' wrote:
Its obvious that the right wing racists/deniers are dangerous.
We need strong internet regulation now more than ever.
Hate talk radio and FauxNews should also be shut down for the peace and good of the nation.
These people are social terrorists and should be prosecuted as such.

CHANGE is here!
Be a part of something bigger than yourself!
albedodown

Everett, WA

#44 Sep 19, 2012
Blast from the Past: tiny minded anne's (tina anne's) accurate & wonderful prophecy......
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Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
Just more right wing GOP denier propaganda to avoid their responsibility. Well it wont work!
The US must pay for their crimes.
We will have environmental and economic justice.
CHANGE is here!
Be a part of it!
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'tiny minded anne' wrote:
Yes change is here. The weather will go through another cooling period.....
litesong

Everett, WA

#45 Nov 14, 2012
Excellent Blast from the Past:

litesong wrote:
dirtling is tired of my posts delineating has severe racist pigisms. Here's the proof of dirtling's (& bob burns) racist pigisms &/or threatening, stalking, intimidating mannerisms......documenting the deep racism, & abysmal, criminal, alleged threats of other deniers. I do my best NOT to hide dirtling's elephantitis of the soul. dirtling, earthling has no brain, eart hling (alien has no affinity to Earth),'injun killer'(has no love for humans) is a pukey proud denier racist pig & his lying words prove his continuous guilt:
So it's back to the teepee for you. He no like transplanted euro injun killers. Lightsout have problem, jealous of mememine69, lightsout not get enough sex, maybe needs Bi-Lateral Orchiectomy, that solve problem, but may give him high pitched voice, can join tribal choir as soprano. Lightsout envious of Brian_G, lightsout not invited to belong to anyone's gang, lightsout sad person. Lightsout think Exxon bad medicine, he no understand way of world or how some of his tribe managed to learn to use internet. Lightsout very sad person. Lightsout have problem with humour, he no understand it. Lightsout think all world against him. Lightsout believe euro bad people, he no understand accident of birth theory. Lightsout put wrong baccy in peace pipe, drink bad firewater, make head fuzzy. Lightsong need visit medicine man, drive out evil spirits. Lightsong, him not religious man, he no understand forgiveness, only fear and hate.
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In addition, from bob burns, another member of the pukey, proud, threatener, stalker, intimidator, racist pig denier brian_g 'ganghood'. Here are evidences that bob burns is an alleged criminal & reasons he is an alleged criminal. From bob burns, an unrepentent alleged criminal that topix will NOT ban.
bob burns' HELLGATE..........
bob burns' quote from hard copy.
First post:
You are one despicable piece of shit. I hope you & your lawyer get gunned down. I'll do it myself if I get a chance.
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Second post:
I'm coming after your 'wife' too. I'll rape and torture 'her' in front of you. Same with your lawyer. What I do with you will be right out of a Saw movie. I'll film it & put it on the 'net'.
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bob burns' replying post:
Burn baby, burn. Twist and turn
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litesong continues:
Deniers drive AGW advocates away from topix using the tactics I have shown to all who will read. topix aids & abets deniers' racism, & their criminal alleged threats of rape, torture, & gun death in their biased path to make topix an AGW denier bulwark. All denier & topix actions are trash & are NOT mistakes, but a reflection of the death song of deniers themselves. Societies' worst minds state that CO2 is not a problem & use the tactics that are abhorred by the rest of humanity to drive AGW advocates to silence.
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richard wrote:
It's time for your meds, in fact take two.
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litesong wrote:
Uncovering consistent denier racist & criminal actions designed to suppress AGW advocates' freedom of speech on topix is a subject of laughter to other deniers, in this case, richard, showing denier lack of respect for the constitution. topix' efforts to protect deniers' suppressive tactics against AGW advocate freedom of speech is reprehensible.

Don't know why my posts quoting pukey, proud, racist pig &/or threatening, stalking, intimidating denier words would get negative icons. Pukey, proud racist pig &/or t,s,i deniers should enjoy their pukey, proud, racist pigisms &/or threats, stalking & intimidating posts getting the light of day. Another possibility is that some denier out there is NOT a pukey, proud racist pig &/or threatener, stalker, & intimidator..........

On second thought, that possibility must be very very small.

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