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Federal Court Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law in Ruling That Could Help Decide 2012 Election

There are 465 comments on the Democracy Now story from Aug 31, 2012, titled Federal Court Strikes Down Texas Voter ID Law in Ruling That Could Help Decide 2012 Election. In it, Democracy Now reports that:

In a major ruling Thursday, a federal court blocked a controversial Texas law that would require voters to show photo identification before casting ballots.

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Since: Feb 11

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#123 Sep 1, 2012
see the light wrote:
<quoted text>You didn't answer my question, but I will answer yours. Legal Democrats may vote NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Where is that list of illegal aliens who voted in 2008?

Now let's see... 131 million (plus) people voted and so far: you haven't given us the name of one illegal alien who was arrested for voting.

Not one.

But you want to keep millions of legal citizens from voting?

Since: Feb 11

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#124 Sep 1, 2012
Teri wrote:
Please, by all means, tell me one person over the age of 18 who does NOT have any kind of id!
Tens of thousands of citizens in your state do not have a photo ID.

By all means: show us the list of people who were arrested in your state that would warrant keeping tens of thousands of citizens from voting- including citizens who have been voting for forty years.

The burden should be on the state to DISPROVE someone is not eligible to vote, not the other way around.

Since: Feb 11

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#125 Sep 1, 2012
Teri wrote:
One must have an id to do many, many, MANY things in this country... why then, should we NOT have to have an id to cast a vote that will make decisions for everyone else living in this country?
Because all citizens of the US have a right to vote and as of yet: citizens are not required to carry citizenship papers.

Photo ID is a GOP invention to keep poor citizens and old citizens and citizens of color from voting.

Period.

“AVAUNCEZ!!”

Since: Aug 07

Eldora Iowa

#126 Sep 1, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>The burden of proof is on the ACCUSER; I guess you forgot that's how it works in America.
Not really, I just think its foolish for grown adults to sit a thousand miles from each other saying," prove it"; "No, YOU prove it!". It's not like anyone is going to change anyone else's mind on here. Follow logic. They caught 10 out of 130 million people, how many didn't they catch. You really think that people who were paid to register did not then vote? Whatever man, I'm gettin drunk with some infantry brothers right now maybe later...

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#127 Sep 1, 2012
sailor310 wrote:
... Why do we need IDs to drink, drive, serve in the military, get a library card but not to vote?
<quoted text>
Maybe because Voting is a bedrock Constitutional Right, not to mention a core value of this country that separates us from the many where people have NO SAY in their dictator's decisions.

Serving in the military, consuming alcoholic beverages, obtaining library cards, and driving vehicles are NOT guaranteed by the Constitution, and are all privileges/options available to citizens -- NOT "rights."

See the difference now?
see the light

United States

#128 Sep 1, 2012
Teri wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps you should stop allowing the main stream media to influence your thought process. Please, by all means, tell me one person over the age of 18 who does NOT have any kind of id! If you don't drive, you can get a state issued id for $10. One must have an id to do many, many, MANY things in this country... why then, should we NOT have to have an id to cast a vote that will make decisions for everyone else living in this country? That thing on your shoulders is for more than just a hat rack! Please, use it.
Since when is an illegal-an American?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#129 Sep 2, 2012
Teri wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps you should stop allowing the main stream media to influence your thought process. Please, by all means, tell me one person over the age of 18 who does NOT have any kind of id! If you don't drive, you can get a state issued id for $10. One must have an id to do many, many, MANY things in this country... why then, should we NOT have to have an id to cast a vote that will make decisions for everyone else living in this country? That thing on your shoulders is for more than just a hat rack! Please, use it.
Whether you can understand it or not, the simple fact is there are indeed millions of people in America who DON'T have a state approved photo ID; the poor, elderly, urban residents, etc. They don't drive, fly, or have bank accounts. I don't really understand how they get through daily life either, but come to think of it I haven't shown my ID for years (except to vote this past year). If you're obviously over 18 nobody even bothers to check an ID when buying alcohol or cigarettes.

Voting is a constitutionally guaranteed right; any attempt to make that right more difficult to exercise will (& should) be scrutinized by the courts.

There is simply no evidence of widespread voting fraud, and in the absence of such evidence, the intent of these laws are suspect.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#130 Sep 2, 2012
Teri wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me ask you this... how loud would the liberals scream if DEAD people voted McCain into office instead???
Aaah, now you FINALLY hit the nail on the head.

The ONLY reason the GOPasaurs are pushing these voter ID laws is because they know it will suppress the Dems vote total.

That is the ONLY reason.

Do you honestly think the GOPasaurs would be supporting these laws if they knew it would affect those who primarily vote for the Republicans? C'mon now, be honest.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#131 Sep 2, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because all citizens of the US have a right to vote and as of yet: citizens are not required to carry citizenship papers.
Photo ID is a GOP invention to keep poor citizens and old citizens and citizens of color from voting.
Period.
BINGO!

Hispanics support the Dems by a 70-30 margin. The GOPasaurs know they can't win future elections with the hispanic population soon the be the majority in the US. So the only way for them to win is to prevent as many hispanics as possible from voting.

The Republicans have already completely lost the black vote with 94% saying they will vote for the Dems, and now they are on the verge of losing the hispanic vote as well.

Who will they be left with? Old scared white men.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#132 Sep 2, 2012
sailor310 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really, I just think its foolish for grown adults to sit a thousand miles from each other saying," prove it"; "No, YOU prove it!". It's not like anyone is going to change anyone else's mind on here. Follow logic. They caught 10 out of 130 million people, how many didn't they catch. You really think that people who were paid to register did not then vote? Whatever man, I'm gettin drunk with some infantry brothers right now maybe later...
If they were paid to register, but can't be paid to vote, then what motivation is there for them to vote?

All you have to do is look at the voter registration v. voter turnout numbers. A third of those who are registered don't bother to vote.

The burden of proof still lies with the accuser; and since the GOPasaurs can't prove any widespread voter fraud exists, then the courts are going to be VERY suspicious of any law with makes it more difficult for citizens to vote.

That's why the courts overturned this law in Texas, as well as the early voting law in Ohio.
xnutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#133 Sep 2, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because all citizens of the US have a right to vote and as of yet: citizens are not required to carry citizenship papers.
Photo ID is a GOP invention to keep poor citizens and old citizens and citizens of color from voting.
Period.
..........and you cannot get into talk to Eric " The Red " Holder in the DOJ dept. without one.

Does that mean Eric" The Red " Holder doesn't want to meet with minorities in his office ?

Since: Jul 07

Hampstead, NC

#134 Sep 2, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Because all citizens of the US have a right to vote and as of yet: citizens are not required to carry citizenship papers.
Photo ID is a GOP invention to keep poor citizens and old citizens and citizens of color from voting.
Period.
yes, CITIZENS. determining who a CITIZEN is must be a paramount job of the voting centers. how in the hell can you determine a person is a citizen unless they have legitimate ID? absurd. buying cigarettes is somehow more important than voting? maybe in your party...
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#135 Sep 2, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, sure they did, and you have the proof but you are just waiting to release it at the proper time...
Over 131 million voted in the 2008 election and of that 131 million (rounded down), there were LESS THAN TEN cases of proved fraud of persons actually voting.
Ten.
That is fewer people than you have toes, Honey.
The courts continue to hand the GOP their hats, Texas and of course in Ohio where Republicans wanted to take away the church vote, and they wanted to take away voting in counties...except for the counties that vote Republican.
Funny how that is.
How loud would you be screaming if Obama lost by 10 votes. I am sure the screams from the Dems whould cause an earthquake. We both know 10 is NOT the number of votes that were made by the dead. This just sounded like a good number to you.

“AVAUNCEZ!!”

Since: Aug 07

Eldora Iowa

#136 Sep 2, 2012
You assume they were paid to only do one. Logically that does not make sense. The main objective of Acorn and those like them was to get Obama elected by all costs, would he have won with out all the shenanigans, probably, but the objective was to get Obama elected. If this sacred right to vote is so important, why don't we do more to protect it? Why should we assume that the masses of people that still to this day flock to the US legally and illegally, wouldn't want to influence elections? It is better to err on the side of caution. This is why we have such an adversarial justice system, the reason it takes so much to convict someone is because we hold the Constitution and its protections sacrosanct. When we had 20-30 million it may have been easier for counties to keep track of who were eligible to vote and who was not, but with 300+million people no one can keep track. Our Constitutional protections when it comes to voting are citizen specific, just the thought of a non citizen determining the course of our elections should give every one of us pause. does it happen, I don't know, I don't have any specific evidence. According to the Times Dispatch in VA, the state has charged 38 people with VOTER fraud, they differentiate between voter registration fraud and just voter fraud, with a majority of them leading to conviction,(no number given), with 26 more active investigation. Common sense tells you that voter registration fraud leads to illegally voting despite your assertion that only a 2/3rds of registered voters actually vote. Just the hint of impropriety should alarm us as citizens. We wouldn't stand for a second the idea of someone maybe stealing our IDs for buying things but people seem to be ok with fake IDs voting, and you people call me crazy!

WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
If they were paid to register, but can't be paid to vote, then what motivation is there for them to vote?
All you have to do is look at the voter registration v. voter turnout numbers. A third of those who are registered don't bother to vote.
The burden of proof still lies with the accuser; and since the GOPasaurs can't prove any widespread voter fraud exists, then the courts are going to be VERY suspicious of any law with makes it more difficult for citizens to vote.
That's why the courts overturned this law in Texas, as well as the early voting law in Ohio.

“AVAUNCEZ!!”

Since: Aug 07

Eldora Iowa

#137 Sep 2, 2012
They do not differentiate between voter fraud and voter registration fraud on the charge sheet. Apparently they do in court but if they are convicted no matter what they did, registration or plain illegal voting its all the same in VA, from what I understand.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#138 Sep 2, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
<quoted text>
yes, CITIZENS. determining who a CITIZEN is must be a paramount job of the voting centers. how in the hell can you determine a person is a citizen unless they have legitimate ID? absurd. buying cigarettes is somehow more important than voting? maybe in your party...
Citizens are not required to have a picture ID; not yet anyways.

If you want a national ID card, then by all means pass a constitutional amendment requiring one. Until then a constitutional right can not be denied just because a person doesn't have a photo ID.

Or you could just use the Republican standard for voting:
white = citizen, allow to vote
brown = probable illegal, detain & call ICE
black = probable criminal, detain & call the cops
yellow = unknown, ask where about their whereabouts on Dec 7th 1941
red = probable citizen, allow to vote but do the tomahawk chop behind their back

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#139 Sep 2, 2012
senior citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
How loud would you be screaming if Obama lost by 10 votes. I am sure the screams from the Dems whould cause an earthquake. We both know 10 is NOT the number of votes that were made by the dead. This just sounded like a good number to you.
Then feel free to post a verifed number of the dead who voted.

We'll wait........

In the meantime we'll continue to use the courts to overturn these unconstitional attempts to deny the vote to our fellow citizens, regardless of which party they may vote for.

“AVAUNCEZ!!”

Since: Aug 07

Eldora Iowa

#140 Sep 2, 2012
That is total BS and you know it. A citizen's constitutional right should never be infringed but how do you know who is a citizen and who is not? 20 million illegal aliens, at best estimate, and you figure they are just going to tell you they are not eligible to vote? Keep dreaming. I don't know what kind of people you hang around but I have never in all my days seen or even heard of your little "standard" for voting and I have voted in some big cities in the United States, and from overseas, of course I didn't get my absentee ballot when I was on active duty, until a week before the election, but hey don't let my vote not counting stop anything.
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Citizens are not required to have a picture ID; not yet anyways.
If you want a national ID card, then by all means pass a constitutional amendment requiring one. Until then a constitutional right can not be denied just because a person doesn't have a photo ID.
Or you could just use the Republican standard for voting:
white = citizen, allow to vote
brown = probable illegal, detain & call ICE
black = probable criminal, detain & call the cops
yellow = unknown, ask where about their whereabouts on Dec 7th 1941
red = probable citizen, allow to vote but do the tomahawk chop behind their back
senior citizen

Granite City, IL

#141 Sep 2, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Then feel free to post a verifed number of the dead who voted.
We'll wait........
In the meantime we'll continue to use the courts to overturn these unconstitional attempts to deny the vote to our fellow citizens, regardless of which party they may vote for.
You prove it - after the 2008 election it was made public - how do you think ACORN got caught?????
Who Tee Who

New Lisbon, WI

#142 Sep 2, 2012
Tony wrote:
This is great news for American voters. Allowing Americans the freedom to vote and stopping suppression.
And vote-n-vote-n-vote-n-vote. One person one vote. More of Obammer's corrupt nonsense.

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