Story of the Year: It's Global Warmin...

Story of the Year: It's Global Warming, Stupid

There are 324 comments on the Common Dreams story from Dec 31, 2012, titled Story of the Year: It's Global Warming, Stupid. In it, Common Dreams reports that:

My favorite headline of 2012 was " It's Global Warming, Stupid ," which appeared on the cover of Bloomberg Businessweek on Nov.

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Voluntarist

United States

#26 Jan 1, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
http://www.skepticalscience.co m/medieval-warm-period.htm
takes care of this standard denier question: How does the Medieval Warm Period compare to current global temperatures?
The conclusions are:
a) Globally temperatures are warmer than they have been during the last 2000 years, and
b) the causes of Medieval warming are not the same as those causing late 20th century warming.
Your proof?

What caused warming during that period?
How has it been ruled out now?
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#27 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Your proof?
What caused warming during that period?
How has it been ruled out now?
Listen. You did not answer me but came back with more.

Did you read my reference?

You'll find it shows it is hotter in recent history. The reason is the manmade greenhouse gas emissions.

Got it?
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#28 Jan 1, 2013
Jeb Wilson wrote:
space balls how am i off topic man. where do you get your info man. i fought in nam man and we would of shot space balls.
KA-BOOM..
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#29 Jan 1, 2013
Jeb Wilson wrote:
excuse me space balls what do you mean man by medeival. hell this aint fairy tale land.
You can focus and search for your answer.

Good luck.
Voluntarist

United States

#30 Jan 1, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Listen. You did not answer me but came back with more.
Did you read my reference?
You'll find it shows it is hotter in recent history. The reason is the manmade greenhouse gas emissions.
Got it?
Your source is not objective analysis, it is biased do you have any objective references?
Voluntarist

United States

#31 Jan 1, 2013
Specifically what does "man made" mean and where are you connecting the causation?
Voluntarist

United States

#32 Jan 1, 2013
un
One of the most curious aspects of the global warming alarm is the
persistent reluctance of some climate scientists to consider the role of
the sun. The idea that variations in solar activity, observable in the form
of sun spots, influence the earth’s climate has a long, important history,
stretching back to the astronomers Maunder, Herschel and beyond. It
would be surprising, surely, if the sun did not have a major influence on
the earth’s climate (why is summer warmer than winter?). Among those
scientists who are actively exploring the solar-climate connection there
are different views as to how the relationship between sun and earth is
mediated. Names to look out for in research papers include Willie Soon,
Sallie Balliunas, Eigil Friis-Christensen, Henrik Svensmark, Nir Shaviv and
Jan Veizer. An excellent introduction to the topic is ‘The Manic Sun’ by
Nigel Calder, who recently also wrote, with Henrik Svensmark,‘The
Chilling Stars’. Also worth looking at is Willie Soon’s short book on
Edward Maunder.
Download and read PDF on Galactic Cosmic Rays and Climate by Charles
A Perry from Science Direct
Click here to download
From The Sunday Times April 29, 2007 Climate change hits Mars
Read More
Letters Nature Global warming and climate forcing by recent albedo
changes on Mars
Read More
Long range solar frorecast - [email protected]
Read More
More Information:
"What do we really know about the Sun-climate connection", by E. Friis-
Christensen and H. Svensmark, Adv. Space Res. Vol. 20, No4/5, pp.
913-921, 1997.
Read more
"Celestial Climate Driver: A Perspective from Four Billion Years of the
Carbon Cycle" by Ján Veizer, Geoscience Canada, Volume 32, Vol. 1, pp.
13, March 2005
Read more
"Variable Solar Irradiance as a Plausible Agent for Multidecadal Variations
in the Arctic-wide Surface Air Temperature Record of the Past 130 Years"
by Willie W.-H. Soon. GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 32, L16712,
doi:10.1029/2005GL023429, 2005
Read More

http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/th...
Voluntarist

United States

#33 Jan 1, 2013
Temperature Record
One central problem for those who promote the idea of man made global
warming is the earth’s temperature record – on almost all time scales.
In the last decade, there has been no clear warming trend (as the UK
Met Office and IPCC’s own figures demonstrate). In the last century,
much of the warming occurred prior to 1940, when human emissions of
CO2 were relatively small compared to today. During the post-war
economic boom (when one would have expected the temperature to rise)
the world cooled, from the 1940s till the mid-70s (again, this is evident
from accepted data used by the IPCC).
But it’s important to look back further in time 1,000 years. The climate
record which used to be accepted as the standard account of this period
was published in the first IPCC report. But this account posed a problem.
A thousand years ago there was time a warm period – apparently warmer
than today (known to climatologists as the Medieval Warm Period). This
was followed by a relatively cold period (known as the Little Ice Age),
from which, over the past two to three hundred years, seem to have
made a slow, welcome recovery.
This was all rather undermined the idea that current temperatures were
either unusual or alarming.
In subsequent IPCC reports the original graph was replaced by another –
the famous ‘Hockey Stick’(so-called because it looks like one). The
Hockey Stick was a lot more dramatic, and was featured proudly on the
top of the front page of the new IPCC reports. But was it true? The
Hockey Stick debate is very telling, and we urge readers to review the
links below.
Further back in time, still within our current ‘interglacial period, we find
more warm spells – notably what geologists call the ‘Holocene Maximum’
when, for a few thousand years, the earth was significantly warmer than
we find it today.
Over longer time periods of course, the earth has been far, far hotter
than it is today (with tropical forests covering much of the earth) and
also far, far colder, with much of the earth buried under miles of ice. The
Earth’s climate has always changed, and changed without any help from
us.
But there is another problem, a very major problem, for those who
promote the idea of CO2-led global warming. According to global
warming theory, if an enhanced greenhouse effect is responsible for
warming the earth, then the rate of temperature rise should be greatest
in that part of the earth’s atmosphere known as the troposphere,
specifically in the tropics. And yet the observations, from weather
balloons and satellites have consistently shown that not to be the case. I
urge readers to look at the Christy et al papers below. The latest one was
recently published in the Journal of Geophysical Research (2007).
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#34 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Your source is not objective analysis, it is biased do you have any objective references?
How so?
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#35 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
Specifically what does "man made" mean and where are you connecting the causation?
Gee aka pollution made by you.

Sad.
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#36 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
un
One of the most curious aspects of the global warming alarm is the
persistent reluctance of some climate scientists to consider the role of
the sun. The idea that variations in solar activity, observable in the form
of sun spots, influence the earth’s climate has a long, important history,
stretching back to the astronomers Maunder, Herschel and beyond. It
would be surprising, surely, if the sun did not have a major influence on
the earth’s climate (why is summer warmer than winter?). Among those
scientists who are actively exploring the solar-climate connection there
are different views as to how the relationship between sun and earth is
mediated. Names to look out for in research papers include Willie Soon,
Sallie Balliunas, Eigil Friis-Christensen, Henrik Svensmark, Nir Shaviv and
Jan Veizer. An excellent introduction to the topic is ‘The Manic Sun’ by
Nigel Calder, who recently also wrote, with Henrik Svensmark,‘The
Chilling Stars’. Also worth looking at is Willie Soon’s short book on
Edward Maunder.
Download and read PDF on Galactic Cosmic Rays and Climate by Charles
A Perry from Science Direct
Click here to download
From The Sunday Times April 29, 2007 Climate change hits Mars
Read More
Letters Nature Global warming and climate forcing by recent albedo
changes on Mars
Read More
Long range solar frorecast - [email protected]
Read More
More Information:
"What do we really know about the Sun-climate connection", by E. Friis-
Christensen and H. Svensmark, Adv. Space Res. Vol. 20, No4/5, pp.
913-921, 1997.
Read more
"Celestial Climate Driver: A Perspective from Four Billion Years of the
Carbon Cycle" by Ján Veizer, Geoscience Canada, Volume 32, Vol. 1, pp.
13, March 2005
Read more
"Variable Solar Irradiance as a Plausible Agent for Multidecadal Variations
in the Arctic-wide Surface Air Temperature Record of the Past 130 Years"
by Willie W.-H. Soon. GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 32, L16712,
doi:10.1029/2005GL023429, 2005
Read More
http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/th...
NONSENSE.

Solar scientists are part of science community. There's no basis for your allegations.
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#37 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
Temperature Record
One central problem for those who promote the idea of man made global
warming is the earth’s temperature record – on almost all time scales.
In the last decade, there has been no clear warming trend (as the UK
Met Office and IPCC’s own figures demonstrate). In the last century,
much of the warming occurred prior to 1940, when human emissions of
CO2 were relatively small compared to today. During the post-war
economic boom (when one would have expected the temperature to rise)
the world cooled, from the 1940s till the mid-70s (again, this is evident
from accepted data used by the IPCC).
But it’s important to look back further in time 1,000 years. The climate
record which used to be accepted as the standard account of this period
was published in the first IPCC report. But this account posed a problem.
A thousand years ago there was time a warm period – apparently warmer
than today (known to climatologists as the Medieval Warm Period). This
was followed by a relatively cold period (known as the Little Ice Age),
from which, over the past two to three hundred years, seem to have
made a slow, welcome recovery.
This was all rather undermined the idea that current temperatures were
either unusual or alarming.
In subsequent IPCC reports the original graph was replaced by another –
the famous ‘Hockey Stick’(so-called because it looks like one). The
Hockey Stick was a lot more dramatic, and was featured proudly on the
top of the front page of the new IPCC reports. But was it true? The
Hockey Stick debate is very telling, and we urge readers to review the
links below.
Further back in time, still within our current ‘interglacial period, we find
more warm spells – notably what geologists call the ‘Holocene Maximum’
when, for a few thousand years, the earth was significantly warmer than
we find it today.
Over longer time periods of course, the earth has been far, far hotter
than it is today (with tropical forests covering much of the earth) and
also far, far colder, with much of the earth buried under miles of ice. The
Earth’s climate has always changed, and changed without any help from
us.
But there is another problem, a very major problem, for those who
promote the idea of CO2-led global warming. According to global
warming theory, if an enhanced greenhouse effect is responsible for
warming the earth, then the rate of temperature rise should be greatest
in that part of the earth’s atmosphere known as the troposphere,
specifically in the tropics. And yet the observations, from weather
balloons and satellites have consistently shown that not to be the case. I
urge readers to look at the Christy et al papers below. The latest one was
recently published in the Journal of Geophysical Research (2007).
NO.
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#38 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist is hoping to become a paid poster of the fossil fuel industry.[allegedly]

When you see a duck ....
half baked Trurh

Yonkers, NY

#39 Jan 1, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Listen. You did not answer me but came back with more.
Did you read my reference?
You'll find it shows it is hotter in recent history. The reason is the manmade greenhouse gas emissions.
Got it?
The decade of the 1930s was the hottest of the 20th century.

What caused it to cool down after that?
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#40 Jan 1, 2013
half baked Trurh wrote:
<quoted text>
The decade of the 1930s was the hottest of the 20th century.
What caused it to cool down after that?
Not true. Show us why you disagree.
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#41 Jan 1, 2013
halfbaked is half-baked but here's the truth:

The December 2011-November 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., with an average temperature of 55.2°F, 3.2°F above average.

How can he contradict NOAA? He can't [but he could lie].
Voluntarist

United States

#42 Jan 1, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Voluntarist is hoping to become a paid poster of the fossil fuel industry.[allegedly]
When you see a duck ....
Are you a paid poster of the "blood & gore" carbon trading scam?
Voluntarist

United States

#43 Jan 1, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
halfbaked is half-baked but here's the truth:
The December 2011-November 2012 period was the warmest such 12-month period on record for the contiguous U.S., with an average temperature of 55.2°F, 3.2°F above average.
How can he contradict NOAA? He can't [but he could lie].
The last 10 years has been cooling
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#44 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a paid poster of the "blood & gore" carbon trading scam?
No, I'm not. Also, I'm not paid by anybody or anything.

You did not answer to me. I guess your indirect answer is "yes" for you.

No soup for you!
SpaceBlues

Hockley, TX

#45 Jan 1, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
<quoted text>
The last 10 years has been cooling
Whatever.

Your words mean nothing of any significance.

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