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Russia approves use of military in Ukraine

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Just a thought

Beloit, WI

#22 Mar 2, 2014
Sunshine.I cite the example of Romania.The cult of personality and atrocities only unite the people in a common cause.What would have happened if the Ukrainian people put aside their divisions in favor of toppling a repressive government?
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Russia's reputation in the US and parts of Europe maybe, but not the whole world. I wouldn't worry about it and I'm sure Russia isn't worried about it either lol. What would they look like had they done nothing and allowed these people to take their navy base?! Russia would look weak and not just to the west.
How can it be legal for a violent mob overthrew the government? I don't understand how this can be spun into something 'pro democracy'.

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#23 Mar 2, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Obama wants to make the US look ridiculous. The leadership of the extremely hateful National Socialists in Ukraine has called for the vicious terrorists in Chechnya to attack Russia. These are the violent thugs Obama has been supporting as their elements murdered police and illegally took over Ukraine's government in Kiev. In response to this extreme hate of Jews and ethnic Russians, about 150,000 people have sought refuge in Russia. Thousands of people are protesting in the streets against the illegal takeover in Kiev.
It is beyond understanding how Obama could repeatedly throw his support behind street rabble and terrorists and no US politician has the balls to call him on it! He's done it in Libya, Egypt, Syria and now Ukraine. It's insane.
Meanwhile the Republicans are bitching about Obama's "weak" response.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-cris...

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#24 Mar 2, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
How did Putin take the Syrian"red line"?Russia has a warm water port there.History shows that Russia will go to war to claim/protect these ports.Look what happened in Finland during WW2.Obama set a dangerous course with"wait until the election is over"and the"Syrian red line."Two things are certain,Obama is the wrong man at the wrong point in history and Obama is no Truman.<quoted text>
Truman was Churchill's lackey.
Did you really want to send troops to Syria? Fight alongside Al Qaeda? We could finally be friends! Wouldn't that be wonderful?

If we sent troops to Ukraine, we could fight on the side of Pole and Jew whacking Nazis who have violently overthrown their government.
Actually that does sound like us...

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#25 Mar 2, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
Sunshine.From what I've read Ukrainians are treated as second class citizens by Russians.Russian is the"official"languag e and Ukrainian is treated as a peasant language.I understand that there are"east bank,west bank"divisions in the country.<quoted text>
I don't know what you've read but they have it backwards. The Ukrainian parliament had to pass a law allowing Russians to speak and use Russian because they're treated as second class citizens. Ukrainian is the official language but Russian WAS recognized as a "recognized regional language" along with over a dozen others. However, this new 'government' has thrown out that law and all will be forced to use Ukrainian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Language

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#26 Mar 2, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
Sunshine.I cite the example of Romania.The cult of personality and atrocities only unite the people in a common cause.What would have happened if the Ukrainian people put aside their divisions in favor of toppling a repressive government?<quoted text>
??? Only the west Ukrainians thought it was "repressive". Yanukovych had the support of the east and probably quite a few not in the east since he did receive the majority of votes.
I don't know about Romania. What cult of personality? The only one I can think of in Ukraine would be Tymoshenko, but even she was heckled when she was released and met with the protesters.
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Beloit, WI

#27 Mar 2, 2014
Sunshine.Yanukovych is Putin's man.He campaigned for his re-election.You can't deny that Russia is heavily invested in Ukraine.The similarities in their actions are striking with regard to extending their term of office.I believe it was Kuchma who desired that and Yanukovych's politics are an extension of his.The cult of personality comes down from Stalinist times.The Communists use force to stifle dissent against their rule.
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>??? Only the west Ukrainians thought it was "repressive". Yanukovych had the support of the east and probably quite a few not in the east since he did receive the majority of votes.
I don't know about Romania. What cult of personality? The only one I can think of in Ukraine would be Tymoshenko, but even she was heckled when she was released and met with the protesters.
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Beloit, WI

#28 Mar 2, 2014
The real question is whether the Russians would leave their base without a fight.They have backed Syria for years.Doubt it.Personally,I view Syria as a lost cause because of Obama and his anti-Israel/"red line"stance.I say let Israel deal with it like Lebanon,unless Al Qaeda start launching terror attacks.
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Truman was Churchill's lackey.
Did you really want to send troops to Syria? Fight alongside Al Qaeda? We could finally be friends! Wouldn't that be wonderful?
If we sent troops to Ukraine, we could fight on the side of Pole and Jew whacking Nazis who have violently overthrown their government.
Actually that does sound like us...
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Beloit, WI

#29 Mar 2, 2014
Wikipedia/Legislation on languages in Ukraine.Whlie Ukrainian is Ukraine's official language,if 10% of a region's population speak a certain language,it may be declared"official".A ug 2012
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what you've read but they have it backwards. The Ukrainian parliament had to pass a law allowing Russians to speak and use Russian because they're treated as second class citizens. Ukrainian is the official language but Russian WAS recognized as a "recognized regional language" along with over a dozen others. However, this new 'government' has thrown out that law and all will be forced to use Ukrainian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Language
PROUD TO BE SERB

Naracoorte, Australia

#30 Mar 2, 2014
CANADEZOS wrote:
<quoted text>UKRANIANS ARE RUSSIANS FOR GODS SAKES! THAT WILL BE A CIVIL WAR!
We all know that. Ukrainien are RUSSIAN.
So is no NATO or USA problem.
Nobody in this word can force people to be What you are not.
And I personal know that.

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#31 Mar 2, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
Sunshine.Yanukovych is Putin's man.He campaigned for his re-election.You can't deny that Russia is heavily invested in Ukraine.The similarities in their actions are striking with regard to extending their term of office.I believe it was Kuchma who desired that and Yanukovych's politics are an extension of his.The cult of personality comes down from Stalinist times.The Communists use force to stifle dissent against their rule.<quoted text>
Of course I don't deny that Russia is heavily invested in Ukraine - in Crimea. But I have always read that Putin preferred Tymoshenko to Yanukovych. Sorry but you will have to ask an actual Ukrainian or Russian about it. I only know what I read in the press here.
Yanukovych extended the president's term limit? Or the length of time he's in office? I don't see a problem with Putin doing so. If not for Bush and Clinton, I would want the same here. 4 years isn't enough time to accomplish anything so we're usually stuck with them for 8 years. 6 years is long enough. In America at least.

"The Communists use force to stifle dissent against their rule".... hmm sounds just like what these protesters are doing.

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#32 Mar 2, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
The real question is whether the Russians would leave their base without a fight.They have backed Syria for years.Doubt it.Personally,I view Syria as a lost cause because of Obama and his anti-Israel/"red line"stance.I say let Israel deal with it like Lebanon,unless Al Qaeda start launching terror attacks.<quoted text>
NO they will not. They have had that base since the 1780's?? lol I'm not sure. Plus they have a lease until 2024??? Well I didn't memorize all those dates but they have a lease and they aren't leaving, not willingly, so that's out.
Obama's anti-Israel red line stance?? I'm lost again. Was it just Israel pushing for us to do something in Syria? I thought the Saudis were too... and then one of the prince's said something about 're-evaluating' their relations with the US. Something like that. Interesting.

Obama can't involve us in another war, that's the bottom line. We're out of Iraq, we're leaving Afghanistan, we didn't go to Libya, we didn't go to Syria, and we aren't going to Ukraine. The American public is tired of war. Oh, and we can't afford it, so there's that.

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#33 Mar 2, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
Wikipedia/Legislation on languages in Ukraine.Whlie Ukrainian is Ukraine's official language,if 10% of a region's population speak a certain language,it may be declared"official".A ug 2012<quoted text>
When I read it earlier, it said:

On 23 February 2014, following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to repeal the law on regional languages, making Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels;

Now they have added:
however, this vote was vetoed by acting President Turchynov on March 2

March 2. That's today lol

If you click on the links in the wiki, the first one says
One of the first issues the parliament tackled this weekend was that of the language, annulling a bill that provided for Russian to be used as a second official language in regions with large Russian-speaking populations.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/...

Showing that they did in fact annul that law (Feb 23)

And then vetoed that law today, or yesterday since they're almost half a day ahead of us.

In another conciliatory gesture, Mr. Turchynov on Sunday vetoed a divisive law passed last week that would have eliminated Russian as an official second language: about half of Ukraine’s population speaks Russian.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/europ...
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Beloit, WI

#34 Mar 2, 2014
I agree with part of your post.History shows eventually people grow tired of supporting a small segment of the population.Russian revoluytion and French revolution for example,Yanukovych represents the communist ideal."Don't ask questions"and the population is dumb and needs an elite to guide it.I feel that everyday Ukrainians can see the truth about their lot and would be better off without Putin/Russia
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I don't deny that Russia is heavily invested in Ukraine - in Crimea. But I have always read that Putin preferred Tymoshenko to Yanukovych. Sorry but you will have to ask an actual Ukrainian or Russian about it. I only know what I read in the press here.
Yanukovych extended the president's term limit? Or the length of time he's in office? I don't see a problem with Putin doing so. If not for Bush and Clinton, I would want the same here. 4 years isn't enough time to accomplish anything so we're usually stuck with them for 8 years. 6 years is long enough. In America at least.
"The Communists use force to stifle dissent against their rule".... hmm sounds just like what these protesters are doing.
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Beloit, WI

#35 Mar 2, 2014
This is an interesting post.But,this leads me to my original post of"how do you eliminate centuries of Russian culture"?Certainly not by occupation.Good post.
-sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>When I read it earlier, it said:
On 23 February 2014, following the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to repeal the law on regional languages, making Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels;
Now they have added:
however, this vote was vetoed by acting President Turchynov on March 2
March 2. That's today lol
If you click on the links in the wiki, the first one says
One of the first issues the parliament tackled this weekend was that of the language, annulling a bill that provided for Russian to be used as a second official language in regions with large Russian-speaking populations.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/23/...
Showing that they did in fact annul that law (Feb 23)
And then vetoed that law today, or yesterday since they're almost half a day ahead of us.
In another conciliatory gesture, Mr. Turchynov on Sunday vetoed a divisive law passed last week that would have eliminated Russian as an official second language: about half of Ukraine’s population speaks Russian.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/03/world/europ...
Xoxol

Sumy, Ukraine

#36 Mar 3, 2014
While you are speaking around, Russia is icreasing military escalation in occupied Crymea. Permanent brutal pressing of completely armed unattoried Russian soldiers toward Ukrainian fleet and coast guard is leading to terrible results not only inside of Ukraine, if you do not understand? So, European and other world friends, let you keep your silence longer. Watch your TV and discuss, which army is more powerfull, how much people will be killed. Of course, it will be bloody show. Thanks for your support, do not hope, that this local war will prevent the 3-rd WW. If Putin will win in Ukraine (99%)- he will newer be relaxed on west border of Ukraine. Ukraine tells: SOS!

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#37 Mar 3, 2014
Just a thought wrote:
I agree with part of your post.History shows eventually people grow tired of supporting a small segment of the population.Russian revoluytion and French revolution for example,Yanukovych represents the communist ideal."Don't ask questions"and the population is dumb and needs an elite to guide it.I feel that everyday Ukrainians can see the truth about their lot and would be better off without Putin/Russia<quoted text>
I may be wrong here but I believe one of the reasons why Putin didn't like Yanukovych is because Putin is right-wing and Yanukovych is a bit more to the left... quite a bit more lol.

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#38 Mar 3, 2014
Xoxol wrote:
While you are speaking around, Russia is icreasing military escalation in occupied Crymea. Permanent brutal pressing of completely armed unattoried Russian soldiers toward Ukrainian fleet and coast guard is leading to terrible results not only inside of Ukraine, if you do not understand? So, European and other world friends, let you keep your silence longer. Watch your TV and discuss, which army is more powerfull, how much people will be killed. Of course, it will be bloody show. Thanks for your support, do not hope, that this local war will prevent the 3-rd WW. If Putin will win in Ukraine (99%)- he will newer be relaxed on west border of Ukraine. Ukraine tells: SOS!
It's your battle. You violently overthrew your own government. Now deal with the consequences.

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