Winter storms don't undermine global warming science

Jan 30, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Tulsa World

Workers remove snow in Framingham, Mass., on Friday. Climate scientists claim the winter storms in the Northeast this year do not negate the effects of global warming, and instead, may be a symptom.

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LIKE TRY AGAIN WARMERS. every time the mouths of warmers open. THE MORE DESPARATE THEY SOUND
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We dont understand Mr. Al. Gore ?
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From the article

"This year, for the second time in row, a warm Arctic is again influencing the Polar Vortex, allowing more cold wind to escape to the south and bringing cold to the U.S. "

It's called the arctic oscillation and it's been happening for as long as there has been an arctic.

The AO is negative now, when that happens the cold air goes further south. When the AO is positive, the cold air stays in the arctic.

No news here.
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From the article

"The latest report on climate change by federal scientists, "Global Climate Change Impacts in the U.S.," said precipitation has increased by an average of about 5 percent in the past 50 years. It projects that northern areas generally will become wetter, and southern areas, especially in the West, will become drier. "

Gee, I wonder if they found a crystal ball!

The 1950s experienced the same weather pattern we have seen for the last few years with extreme drought.

Is it any surprise if the 50s had the same level of drought as we have recently experienced, that in the years between to two major droughts conditions, precipitation increased.

Oh my how did that happen, must be looking at the crystal ball to make a prediction of more drought in the west.

A simple look at history would take the surprise out of our weather.

No shit sherlock, it's happened before and it's happening again. But don't worry you will find stupid people to agree with you. Then you'll have consensus. Better than science, if you're a believer.
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fun farts wrote:
It's called the arctic oscillation......
The AO is negative now, when that happens the cold air goes further south.
But AGW energy is having an effect, too. Extra AGW energy warm fronts push into the high Arctic, one reason for the extra high Arctic warming. Consequently, cold Arctic fronts can be more readily pushed south. That is why, southern regions are setting cold temperature records, often while temperatures in the NP regions are at high temperatures, able to melt sea ice, even during the winter.

Yes, while the Earth is much warmer than 100 & more years ago, AND setting many TIMES more high temperature records than low temperature records, the coldest temperatures are still being recorded on occasion. Yeah,'fun farts' is circling in cycles, but never gives credit to infra-red energy absorbing, non-phase change GHGs, AND first & second degree feedbacks, which only INCREASE temperatures. Strangely, funny 'fun farts' furnishes faith to infra-red energy absorbing, phase change water vapor as an Earth warming agent, altho water vapor is only a feedback.

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litesong wrote:
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But AGW energy is having an effect, too. Extra AGW energy warm fronts push into the high Arctic, one reason for the extra high Arctic warming. Consequently, cold Arctic fronts can be more readily pushed south. That is why, southern regions are setting cold temperature records, often while temperatures in the NP regions are at high temperatures, able to melt sea ice, even during the winter.
Yes, while the Earth is much warmer than 100 & more years ago, AND setting many TIMES more high temperature records than low temperature records, the coldest temperatures are still being recorded on occasion. Yeah,'fun farts' is circling in cycles, but never gives credit to infra-red energy absorbing, non-phase change GHGs, AND first & second degree feedbacks, which only INCREASE temperatures. Strangely, funny 'fun farts' furnishes faith to infra-red energy absorbing, phase change water vapor as an Earth warming agent, altho water vapor is only a feedback.
Didn't the AO set a new record a few years ago, after Arctic sea ice went into rapid decline?
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litesong wrote:
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But AGW energy is having an effect, too. Extra AGW energy warm fronts push into the high Arctic, one reason for the extra high Arctic warming. Consequently, cold Arctic fronts can be more readily pushed south. That is why, southern regions are setting cold temperature records, often while temperatures in the NP regions are at high temperatures, able to melt sea ice, even during the winter.
Yes, while the Earth is much warmer than 100 & more years ago, AND setting many TIMES more high temperature records than low temperature records, the coldest temperatures are still being recorded on occasion. Yeah,'fun farts' is circling in cycles, but never gives credit to infra-red energy absorbing, non-phase change GHGs, AND first & second degree feedbacks, which only INCREASE temperatures. Strangely, funny 'fun farts' furnishes faith to infra-red energy absorbing, phase change water vapor as an Earth warming agent, altho water vapor is only a feedback.
Interesting, where are all those 'extra agw energy warm fronts' coming from?

Here's March 2013 as compared to the average of the 1951 to 1980 time period. 2013 is .53*C warmer.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nma...

2013 compared to 1881 thru 1910. 2013 is .57*C warmer.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nma...

There's a .03*C difference in the temperature comparisons between mid century values and early temp record values. Just where are those 'extra AGW energy warm fronts'?
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Fair Game wrote:
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Didn't the AO set a new record a few years ago, after Arctic sea ice went into rapid decline?
A new record for what?

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Fair Game wrote:
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Didn't the AO set a new record a few years ago, after Arctic sea ice went into rapid decline?
Answering my own question, yes it did.
...a record negative phase in the winter of 2009-2010.
http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/arctic-meteorolog...
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Fair Game wrote:
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Answering my own question, yes it did.
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http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/arctic-meteorolog...
From your reference.

"The positive phase of the Arctic Oscillation brings ocean storms farther north, making the weather wetter in Alaska, Scotland, and Scandinavia and drier in the western United States and the Mediterranean. The positive phase also keeps weather warmer than normal in the eastern United States, but makes Greenland colder than normal.

In the negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation the patterns are reversed. A strongly negative phase of the Arctic Oscillation brings warm weather to high latitudes, and cold, stormy weather to the more temperate regions where people live. Over most of the past century, the Arctic Oscillation alternated between its positive and negative phase. For a period during the 1970s to mid-1990s, the Arctic Oscillation tended to stay in its positive phase. However, since then it has again alternated between positive and negative, with a record negative phase in the winter of 2009-2010."

Perfect. Did you read it?

I thought this part helped to explain some of the warming of the last 30 years.

"For a period during the 1970s to mid-1990s, the Arctic Oscillation tended to stay in its positive phase." (When is it that temps began to flatten out?)

And what happens to positive oscillations during high solar activity? C'mon think about it, I have posted the answer many times.

High solar activity enhances the positive phase of ocillations.

What other oscillation was positive during the same time period? You got to know the answer to this one. Hint: EL NINO. Still can't figure it out?

The PDO.

We had high solar acitivity, and positive AO and PDO. You want to know about the MOC?

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Yes, while the Earth is much warmer than 100 & more years ago, AND setting many TIMES more high temperature records than low temperature records, the coldest temperatures are still being recorded on occasion.
Translation: Earth gets hot sometimes, and sometimes it gets cold too...

Brilliant!!!
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fun farts wrote:
the Arctic Oscillation.......solar activity ...... EL NINO...... PDO..... MOC?
When are all these cycles going to return us to the temperatures of the early 20th century & before? You've been predicting low temps for 4-5 years. I want to experience the weather of my grandparents, so I can remember & understand them better.
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snuck its peter wrote:
Translation: Earth gets hot sometimes, and sometimes it gets cold too...
Of course, you are wrong. Many more warm temperature records are being set than cold temperature records. Your translation would only be accurate, if record warm & cold temperatures were being set in equal numbers.

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litesong wrote:
. I want to experience the weather of my grandparents, so I can remember & understand them better.
I want to experience the weather of my ancestors 10,000 years ago when my state was buried under ice.

You need to hop in Doc Brown's Delorean and go tell the cavemen to stop burning fossil fuels.
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litesong wrote:
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When are all these cycles going to return us to the temperatures of the early 20th century & before? You've been predicting low temps for 4-5 years. I want to experience the weather of my grandparents, so I can remember & understand them better.
The coldest time of the prediction is about 2030. If temps return to early 20th century levels I think that will be the time period.

Be careful what you wish for.

"Freezing Britain's unusually harsh winter could have cost thousands of pensioners their lives.

This month is on track to be the coldest March for 50 years and as the bitter Arctic conditions caused blackouts and traffic chaos yesterday, experts warned of an 'horrendous' death toll among the elderly.

About 2,000 extra deaths were registered in just the first two weeks of March compared with the average for the same period over the past five years."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22982...
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When are all these cycles going to return us to the temperatures of the early 20th century & before?
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The coldest time of the prediction is about 2030. If temps return to early 20th century levels I think that will be the time period.
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But you're saying the sun will be below the present TSI & even below the TSI of the early 20th century & before. You're fudging somewhere.
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litesong wrote:
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When are all these cycles going to return us to the temperatures of the early 20th century & before?
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The coldest time of the prediction is about 2030. If temps return to early 20th century levels I think that will be the time period.
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But you're saying the sun will be below the present TSI & even below the TSI of the early 20th century & before. You're fudging somewhere.
Some scientists are predicting Dalton Minimum TSI values.

Here's our current cycle 24 in comparison with the lowest cycles recorded in the 20th century. It's pretty low.

http://www.solen.info/solar/images/comparison...
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Sunspot numbers don't tell quantitatively measure the sun. But TSI does.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/total_solar_ir...

Presently, the TSI is dropping precipitously, but still less than one part in a thousand & about normal for a TSI low. It'll be remarkable to watch it, if it continues to plunge.
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Correction:
"don't tell quantitatively measure" should be:
"don't quantitatively measure".
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litesong wrote:
Sunspot numbers don't tell quantitatively measure the sun. But TSI does.
http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/total_solar_ir...
Presently, the TSI is dropping precipitously, but still less than one part in a thousand & about normal for a TSI low. It'll be remarkable to watch it, if it continues to plunge.
Yes, it's dropping. The values are as you state, but I think they repesent far greater change in climate impact than is considered in AGW science.

We are about 46 months into an average 132 month cycle and the TSI values are already at the same levels as during parts of the minimum between cycles 23 and 24.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/total_solar_ir...

http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/total_solar_ir...

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