What would Ryan Harris be like today? mom wonders

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Ryan Harris would have turned 21 Friday. Her mother, Sabrina Harris, will spend the milestone wondering: What kind of young woman would the skinny, pigtailed 11-year-old have become if she had not been brutally ...

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Mare

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Dec 13, 2007
 
This is the saddest story I've ever read. I don't know if I would have the strength this mother has. It's hard for me to support the death penalty, except when it involves the death of a child. These are monsters who will never be rehabilitated. The damage done to those two little boys will no doubt affect them for a long time.
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Dec 13, 2007
 
Mare wrote:
This is the saddest story I've ever read. I don't know if I would have the strength this mother has. It's hard for me to support the death penalty, except when it involves the death of a child. These are monsters who will never be rehabilitated. The damage done to those two little boys will no doubt affect them for a long time.
I agree totally
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Dec 13, 2007
 
That is very sad, indeed. . .
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Dec 14, 2007
 
I pray that God continues to Bless and keep this family. To read this story today sends chills down my spine and tears fill my eyes. I am the mother of 3 girls and what happen to this child has always been a fear of mine. God Bless of the people who continue to keep this little girls memory alive. HAPPY BIRTHDAY RYAN...
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Dec 14, 2007
 
One day the truth will come out. She first had contact with those two kids.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
I agree with the above post.This is a very sad story.How could anyone do that to a defenseless 5th grader.I can't understand it.I think this story and the other story about the girl x victim are two of the most saddest stories i've read in a long time.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
the good citizen wrote:
One day the truth will come out. She first had contact with those two kids.
100% true story. The 2 little innocent angels hit her in the head with a brick knocking her off the bike. When the mental found her body she was already dead.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
the good citizen wrote:
One day the truth will come out. She first had contact with those two kids.
What exactly are you talking about?

Unfortunately this is a very sad story in a book fiiled with thousands of other stories of children that are taken from their families. The public gets a small, sensationalized account from the media...and then the families are left to deal with this for the rest of their lives.

I really can't stand the 15-second-throw-it-away-move-o n-to-the-next-story society we live in.

I am saddened for all of the families that have to live life with the absence of their child.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
City Worker wrote:
<quoted text> 100% true story. The 2 little innocent angels hit her in the head with a brick knocking her off the bike. When the mental found her body she was already dead.
I don't remember hearing this part. If this really happened, why where they not charged? Was is because it was assumed the same person who committed the sex act had to be the one who killed her?
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Both the Chicago police detectives and the licensed private detectives hired by the defense agree on this point:

The boys commited the murder while Floyd, a self confessed pedofile, masterbated after finding the corpse. Both boys confessed, one in the presence of his mother.

The boys were not posecuted because of community pressure and the strong DNA evidence that would make convicting Durr easy.

Beleive me, if a cop wanted to frame a suspect for an easy arrest in Englewood, there are many better candidates than a 6 and 7 year old. That zip code has the highest concentration of sex offenders in the state.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
LPD wrote:
Both the Chicago police detectives and the licensed private detectives hired by the defense agree on this point:
The boys commited the murder while Floyd, a self confessed pedofile, masterbated after finding the corpse. Both boys confessed, one in the presence of his mother.
The boys were not posecuted because of community pressure and the strong DNA evidence that would make convicting Durr easy.
Beleive me, if a cop wanted to frame a suspect for an easy arrest in Englewood, there are many better candidates than a 6 and 7 year old. That zip code has the highest concentration of sex offenders in the state.
100% true!! While the city was winning its case in the civil lawsuit trial that these poor little innocent boys did indeed kill Ryan, the unhonerable retired judge pinchum who was representing one of the boys, strong armed his buddies in the city council to hurry up and force a settlement.
Never forget Ryan

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Dec 14, 2007
 
If you believe the boys did it, then how was it that the panties torn from her body (her shorts were still around her legs) were stuffed into her mouth and asphyxiating her, yet were found with Durr's semen on them?
If the boys did it, how is it they were able to alledgedly drag her body (she was physically larger than them) from the street through a lot with high weeds, and yet there was no evidence of them dragging her body?
If the boys did it to steal her bike, what happened to the bike?
If you read the newspapers they got their story from the Police, and what was said didn't make sense or add up to the the physical evidence that was there and or the lack of evidence to support their contention.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Never forget Ryan wrote:
If you believe the boys did it, then how was it that the panties torn from her body (her shorts were still around her legs) were stuffed into her mouth and asphyxiating her, yet were found with Durr's semen on them?
If the boys did it, how is it they were able to alledgedly drag her body (she was physically larger than them) from the street through a lot with high weeds, and yet there was no evidence of them dragging her body?
If the boys did it to steal her bike, what happened to the bike?
If you read the newspapers they got their story from the Police, and what was said didn't make sense or add up to the the physical evidence that was there and or the lack of evidence to support their contention.
Not only do I beleive the boys did it, I know so. The DNA got onto the panties when Durr used them to wipe himself after the sex act then he put them into her mouth. There was conclusive physical evidence of dragging on the body and two boys could absolutly have dragged her to the secondary crime scene. With all due respect, you seem too inclined to beleive everything you read in the newspaper. Reporters are not detectives and their conclusions should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.

Please don't misunderstand me, Durr deserves to be in prison (which he would still be thanks to other convictions) but those two boys deserve to be in the cellright next to his.
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Dec 15, 2007
 
LPD wrote:
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Not only do I beleive the boys did it, I know so. The DNA got onto the panties when Durr used them to wipe himself after the sex act then he put them into her mouth. There was conclusive physical evidence of dragging on the body and two boys could absolutly have dragged her to the secondary crime scene. With all due respect, you seem too inclined to beleive everything you read in the newspaper. Reporters are not detectives and their conclusions should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.
Please don't misunderstand me, Durr deserves to be in prison (which he would still be thanks to other convictions) but those two boys deserve to be in the cellright next to his.
Actually, one of the little angels was/is in prison for attempt murder on a rival drug dealer which happened to be caught on video at a gas station in calumet city. The dope boy he shot immediately filed a civil lawsuit to go after the little angels money he received from the city after killing Ryan.
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Dec 15, 2007
 
True story, but I believe it was in calumet park where the little angel shot the rival drug dealer.
Ryans mother should have the millions the city paid to the young murderers.
Never forget Ryan

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Dec 16, 2007
 
LPD wrote:
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Not only do I beleive the boys did it, I know so. The DNA got onto the panties when Durr used them to wipe himself after the sex act then he put them into her mouth. There was conclusive physical evidence of dragging on the body and two boys could absolutly have dragged her to the secondary crime scene. With all due respect, you seem too inclined to beleive everything you read in the newspaper. Reporters are not detectives and their conclusions should therefore be taken with a grain of salt.
Please don't misunderstand me, Durr deserves to be in prison (which he would still be thanks to other convictions) but those two boys deserve to be in the cellright next to his.
Fact: Harris died from asphyxiation (suffocation) due to her panties being stuffed into her mouth. For Durr to leave his fluids on her underwear, she would have been alive prior to his stuffing them into her mouth. Her underwear werenít pulled down off of her legs but torn off of her.

The implication that two boys who were physically smaller than her were able to drag her body from the street and across a field with high grass/weeds would have left drag marks through the grass/weeds. If the path of footprints from the investigators walking through the field was clearly evident, why wasnít there a path showing the body? Answer: She wasnít dragged as implicated.

No, I didnít read this in the newspapers but from the evidence that was discovered in the court proceedings defending the boys. And while some would like to suggest that the two boys initiated the situation the problem becomes stringing together a sequence of events that ties together with the physical and forensic evidence. Unless youíve seen the official records and reports you can only draw your conclusions from the media, and they not only had it wrong at first but werenít too inclined to get to the whole truth afterwards.
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Dec 16, 2007
 
This is truly, truly and very sad, when i read this story my heart just broke.
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Dec 16, 2007
 
She would be on public aid.
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Dec 16, 2007
 
YOU clearly suggested you read this in the newspapers, now you say you've seen the court records. Were you lying then or are you lying now?

If you read between the lines, I and some others who have commented here actually conducted the investigation you only read about (though where depends on your story du jour).

It was the contracu brain injury sustained from the brick hitting her head then her head hitting the sidewalk that was the primary cause of death.

Since you hang your hat on the panties, how do you explain that the rest of the body was sunburned except for the area covered by her panties? That must mean that they were on her at the time of death and someone removed them afterwards (i.e the pedofile who used them for self gratification post mortem).

The boys didn't have to lift her, only drag her, and I wish I could post a (cropped) photo to prove they did. The high weeds you reference were only in the very back of the yard near the train tracks, they dragged her through grass most of the way and BEHIND the tall weeds at the end.

FACT: you watch too much CSI.
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Dec 16, 2007
 
Never forget Ryan wrote:
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Fact: Harris died from asphyxiation (suffocation) due to her panties being stuffed into her mouth. For Durr to leave his fluids on her underwear, she would have been alive prior to his stuffing them into her mouth. Her underwear werenít pulled down off of her legs but torn off of her.
The implication that two boys who were physically smaller than her were able to drag her body from the street and across a field with high grass/weeds would have left drag marks through the grass/weeds. If the path of footprints from the investigators walking through the field was clearly evident, why wasnít there a path showing the body? Answer: She wasnít dragged as implicated.
No, I didnít read this in the newspapers but from the evidence that was discovered in the court proceedings defending the boys. And while some would like to suggest that the two boys initiated the situation the problem becomes stringing together a sequence of events that ties together with the physical and forensic evidence. Unless youíve seen the official records and reports you can only draw your conclusions from the media, and they not only had it wrong at first but werenít too inclined to get to the whole truth afterwards.
YOU clearly suggested you read this in the newspapers, now you say you've seen the court records. Were you lying then or are you lying now?

If you read between the lines, I and some others who have commented here actually conducted the investigation you only read about (though where depends on your story du jour).

It was the contracu brain injury sustained from the brick hitting her head then her head hitting the sidewalk that was the primary cause of death.

Since you hang your hat on the panties, how do you explain that the rest of the body was sunburned except for the area covered by her panties? That must mean that they were on her at the time of death and someone removed them afterwards (i.e the pedofile who used them for self gratification post mortem).

The boys didn't have to lift her, only drag her, and I wish I could post a (cropped) photo to prove they did. The high weeds you reference were only in the very back of the yard near the train tracks, they dragged her through grass most of the way and BEHIND the tall weeds at the end.

FACT: you watch too much CSI.

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