Whitney Heichel's family confront Gre...

Whitney Heichel's family confront Gresham woman's killer, sentenced to life in prison

There are 65 comments on the The Oregonian story from Jul 8, 2013, titled Whitney Heichel's family confront Gresham woman's killer, sentenced to life in prison. In it, The Oregonian reports that:

When it came time for Clinton Heichel to address the man who murdered his wife, he sat silently staring at the killer, Jonathan Daniel Holt, for a long minute.

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“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#1 Jul 9, 2013
OK...

NOW this vacation IS over!

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#2 Jul 9, 2013
Question...

Why is this news story here, on the "JW" forum, but NOT on the Gresham, OR forum?

Don't fret! It WILL be EVERYWHERE pretty soon!

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#3 Jul 9, 2013
Just to update those who are "NEW" around here...

Jonathan Holt did NOT commit the COLD BLOODED MURDER of Whitney Heichel!

~~~~~

I bet "666" won't come to THIS thread.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#4 Jul 9, 2013
This forum hit it's ALL TIME PEAK, when this story was being played out before.

You can see the actual post, where I commented on the high number, here...

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

...and in several of the other posts, I made mention that Jehovah would not "sleep" their COLD BLOODED MURDER of Whitney.

I believed it then! And now...

IT'S ON!
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#5 Jul 9, 2013
"Holt left no doubt that he killed Heichel. He confessed three days after the Oct. 16 murder and led police to her body. Holt told investigators that he waited for Whitney Heichel outside her residence at the Heatherwood Apartments in Gresham, where they both lived. They also were members of the same Jehovah's Witnesses congregation."

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If Brother Holt dies before armageddon he will have been acquitted of his sin (Romans 6:7) and gets to start a new life on paradise earth with a clean slate, according to JW theology...

March 1, 1984 Watchtower
Page 7
The robber no doubt practiced some of these things, but after being resurrected he will start with a clean slate because “he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” The robber has already received “the wages sin pays . . . death” and will be in line to receive “the gift God gives,” that is,“everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.”—Romans 6:7, 23.


April 1, 1955 Watchtower
Page 198

Judgment Day—Just a Joke?

When these millions of people come forth out of their tombs, how will they be judged? By their past record? No, they will be given a clean slate. They will be judged by their future works. If they were to be judged by their past works, they could be judged while in their graves. Then there would need to be only a “resurrection of life.” But Jesus, the Judge, has promised a “resurrection of judgment” and that those so resurrected will be judged by their future deeds on an earth free from the influence of the Devil.

What Does the Bible Really Teach?
Page 214
Paragraph 3

Judgment Day—What Is It?

According to the apostle John’s vision,“scrolls were opened,” and “the dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds.” Are these scrolls the record of people’s past deeds? No, the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died. How do we know that? The Bible says:“He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”(Romans 6:7) Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak.

Since: Jun 13

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#6 Jul 9, 2013
DOUGLAS CLARK wrote:
Just to update those who are "NEW" around here...
Jonathan Holt did NOT commit the COLD BLOODED MURDER of Whitney Heichel!
~~~~~
I bet "666" won't come to THIS thread.
333 I'm only half evil

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#7 Jul 9, 2013
Anyone who was here last year, when this COLD BLOODED MURDER was being discussed, knows that I spoke of the "mind control" tactics used by the EVIL perpetrators in this case.

~~~~~

In his "normal" Nebuchadnezzar mindset, "666" jumped on a thread about, of all subjects, mind control. This COLD BLOODED MURDER was a shining moment for him. His "getting away" with it, or so he thinks, made his day! But THAT was then. And THIS is NOW!

~~~~~

I'm hoping that the "grassy" feeling has him blindly hopping over to this thread, like a blind grasshopper.

If he does...

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#8 Jul 9, 2013
And as you can see...

They have their "first string varsity" on this now, even though this story has been available for over 15 hours, and these posters have made comments on other threads, during that time.

~~~~~

I'll ignore them. They're only "kitchen helpers".

It's "666", Satan's MAIN CHEF, that I'm looking for.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#9 Jul 9, 2013
I just posted a "notice" on the Gresham, Or forum, asking anyone with access to the families involved, to have them make contact.

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I know how "frustrated" I got last year, when these Pittsburgh area "leaders" kept quiet and watched as this sad episode played out.

~~~~~

For all I'm concerned, they can remain quiet, because them trying to be seen as anything more than moronic, is ironically moronic.
Prime

United States

#10 Jul 9, 2013
DOUGLAS CLARK wrote:
I just posted a "notice" on the Gresham, Or forum, asking anyone with access to the families involved, to have them make contact.
~~~~~
I know how "frustrated" I got last year, when these Pittsburgh area "leaders" kept quiet and watched as this sad episode played out.
~~~~~
For all I'm concerned, they can remain quiet, because them trying to be seen as anything more than moronic, is ironically moronic.
Buy a ticket to see WWZ, Dougie!

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#11 Jul 9, 2013
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>Buy a ticket to see WWZ, Dougie!
Is that the new movie that just came out?

I'm not much of a movie goer, but I think I heard that title mentioned somewhere.
Prime

United States

#12 Jul 9, 2013
DOUGLAS CLARK wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that the new movie that just came out?
I'm not much of a movie goer, but I think I heard that title mentioned somewhere.
Yes it is!

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#13 Jul 9, 2013
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>Yes it is!
HEY "Prime"...

I went and watched the movie trailer. Seems like a lot of computer generated people getting lit up.

But!

Just for you, tomorrow I will, with Jehovah's "permission", give the proper "definition" of "Doomsday", and why the scriptures assure all of Jehovah's people that it means "their DELIVERANCE is getting near".

I'm sure that there are many who have seen these types of movies, and have gone home, bit their fingernails down and made sort of "Doomsday" plans, like those would work.

Even some members of the "JWs", who have been taught to believe that they are "better" than the rest, are scared of the reality that comes from their YEARS, DECADES, of being lead in the wrong direction by Satan's "firstborn son".

You can tell that they're "scared" by the fact that they sought out THIS forum, the last time there was some MAJOR UPHEAVAL in the world. And the time before that, and the time before that.

THEY come here!

NOBODY runs to them!

When most folks seek out some sort of "spirituality" whenever times get tough, they NEVER seek it, in the Watchtower. They might get a few, but it's like the "dead cat bounce" theory.(Even a "dead cat" will bounce, if you drop it from a high enough place)

I throw in that vague "kitten" reference, because "666" like to squeeze his "like a kitten". And since he hasn't been "bold and determined" enough to show his ID on this thread, I feel justified in reminding him that I'll be here in the morning, looking for his comment, which I'm sure HE'LL leave, once I'm gone for the evening.

WHAT A LOSER!

But...

To you, I once again say "THANK YOU" for those words of EVERLASTING COMFORT and PRAISE, that you left on the other thread.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#14 Jul 9, 2013
Before I leave for the evening, something to think about...

The basic element of any "trap", is that once the person or animal realizes that they're IN one, it's TOO LATE.

A rat might get fat on your food, but that last piece of cheese is just that, his LAST.

Some traps bring instant death, some are sprung only as restraints. But whatever the method, a trap is meant to be the LAST "resort".

"666" has been caught in the LAST TRAP that HE'LL ever agree to. YES! He actually AGREED to become Satan's agent. And, unbeknownst to most, is that "666" had to go through his own sort of "initiation" ceremony.

More on that tomorrow.

~~~~~

But the part that makes this all so "GOOFY" is that, even though he knows that he is trapped, IN Jehovah's TRAP, he wants to seem brave about his fate. He dances around, not like the "nude prosecutor" he used to do, but he still dances at his "staff" meetings. And he still smiles, because if he ever stopped, he'd begin crying like the BIG COWARD he is.

What he doesn't like people to talk about is his laundry, which features some of the biggest "skid" marks in history. I say history, because not too many have actually had the chance to look in the mirror, and see their future laid out, like he has.

He knows that HELL is his future, and that his future is HERE!

But like someone that has lost control of their senses, and their "secondary" bodily function (PLOP!) that lodges in their underwear, he has lost control.

That smell?!

In his mind, that's the smell od success! Just ask his "staff" if everything's coming up roses, and they'll tell you that, it's more like "manure".

Don't fight AGAINST Jehovah, and it'll never be you.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#15 Jul 10, 2013
ATTENTION!

Yesterday, I noticed that this thread appears on two other forums, the "Violent Crime" forum and the "Clackamas County, OR" forum.

Even though those two forums have little activity to speak of, I still want them to have the "understanding" of this situation, that the "Jehovah's Witness" forum has.

So, with that in mind...

~~~~~

Whitney Heichel's COLD BLOODED MURDER was committed by "other" members of the Watchtower Society, and NOT by Jonathan Holt.

As evidence of that, is how, as reported in the news article, Clinton Heichel got into some childish "staredown" contest with Jonathan Holt, as he was about to testify.

Now, anyone that knows the scriptures, his actions were VERY UNBECOMMING! For one thing, if that same encounter had happened in some dark alley, and someone had a weapon aimed at him, Clinton Heichel, and most all "sane" people, would be shaking in their boots, and doing everything they could, to "avoid" enflaming the situation, by acting tough. It's easy to be "tough", when all the chips are in your pile.

But just ask Clinton Heichel about how many of his "elders" made sure to congratulate him for making that "BOLD" statement. In other words, ask him how proud they were that he acted so stupidly. These same "elders", trained by their Watchtower superiors, know that Jonathan Holt was/is just an "useful" tool that they usefully used. The honest truth is that Clinton Heichel should feel ashamed for his actions taken there, that he knows he would never do in a "real life" situation.

And here in Pittsburgh, where I'm from, they actually KNOW, without a shred of doubt, that the Watchtower is OWNED, CONTROLLED and OPERATED by Satan. They saw Satanic activity INSIDE the Watchtower, WITH THEIR OWN EYES, but were willing, and are STILL willing, to keep quiet about it.

~~~~~

Was Clinton Heichel "hurt" by the COLD BLOODED MURDER of his wife?! Let's hope so. Not in a "glad it happened" way, but in a "humans hurt" way. He's human. But, if Whitney was the "love of his life", as he said, let him do some investigating, and then go and "staredown" the REAL COLD BLOODED MURDERER.

The Watchtower has done everything in their power, to make sure that NONE of the families ever see this evidence against them. They've IMPLICITELY banned coming to this website, and ESPECIALLY coming to the "Jehovah's Witness" forum.

WHY?!

Because when Satan OWNS you, as he does the Watchtower, what's a few little COLD BLOODED MURDERS between friends?!

And with a friend like Satan...who needs enemies?!

And just like Clinton Heichel, Satan makes sure to "commend" any false actions taken, as long as they serve his purpose of keeping his Watchtower OWNERSHIP hidden for as long as his Pittsburgh area "helpers" let him.

~~~~~

Just go back to the news article, and ask yourself how "BOLD" Clinton Heichel was for his "commendable" actions he took. Then ask yourself which would be more "commendable", staring at the REAL MURDERER of the "love of his life", or being too scared to find that REAL MURDERER, even though the "love of his life" would want him to.

Clinton Heichel, like the rest of the Satanic Watchtower who already have the inside scoop on that Satanic organization, would find it easier to HATE me for alerting them to the truth about "THE ORGANIZATION".

Around here in Pittsburgh, they RUN when they see me. They try to hide when they see me. In other words, they've become just what they accuse others of being...

SCARED of the "TRUTH"!

I hope that I can get someone from any of these forums, to help me find Clinton Heichel, or members of any of the families involved.

Because Jonathan Holt DID NOT MURDER Whitney Heichel. And it's time for Clinton Heichel to live up to his "love of my life" words, and stare at the REAL

THEN, and ONLY THEN, will Clinton Heichel be TRULY COMMENDED!

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#16 Jul 10, 2013
I was sitting here, waiting to see what "666" was going to do next.

About a half hour ago, he came out personally, to post some drivel. I took a minute to go over to the news article again, and I noticed that there were comments left, with a long 16 hour pause between the last one and the one before that. But that last one came from Watchtower headquarters, straight from Watchtower headquarters. So, Satan's crew sent that message, AFTER they saw what I had wrote this earlier today.

I posted a comment on that newspaper's site, using my daughter's Facebook account. I couldn't remember the password to my account.(AGAIN!)

But I got the "inspiration" to leave the comment, from seeing that "666" himself was working on this.

THIS IS BIG!

I hope that the folks over at the "Violent Crime" and "Clackamas County, OR" forums have been brought up to speed on this.(I'm kinda sure they don't understand the "666" reference...YET!) But I will keep adding to this, as we go.

And trust that Jehovah will avenge Whitney's COLD BLOODED MURDER.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#17 Jul 10, 2013

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#18 Jul 10, 2013
Just so you know...

In the past few minutes, "666" posted some more drivel.

BUT!

He went and scouted out a post that had been dormant since January 26, 2013. That thread was back on Page 20 of this forum.

It made me think about that old saying about hindsight being "20/20".

Just remember how Nebuchadnezzar found out the hard way that the "grass was always greener" especially when he viewed it close up, with "20/20" vision.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#19 Jul 10, 2013
ATTENTION "Violent Crimes" and "Clackamas County, OR" forums...

Before you go any further, please know that "666" is the "brains" of the Watchtower Society.

He's been posting here, partly to show his arrogance, but mainly to make sure that the JW folk who do "dare" come here, don't see, or believe, the information about Satan OWNING the Watchtower.

“God 1st...ALWAYS!”

Since: Mar 10

Pittsburgh, PA

#20 Jul 10, 2013
ATTENTION "Violent Crimes" and "Clackamas County, OR" forums...

Before I leave for the evening, one more thing. Most of these threads and comments are started and made by members of the, as I call them, the "666" KREW.

They post scripted nonsense, engage in fictitious "arguments" and try to make this forum the "place to avoid", instead of the "place to be", for the JW folks.

Their intention is to make any REAL JW that comes here, feel "dirty", as if they're committing a SIN. The only time that this particular tactic doesn't work, is when something BIG happens, and the JW folks have nowhere else to turn.

Last year, when this COLD BLOODED MURDER took place, with the resulting clamor for more info, this forum had it's highest numbers...EVER!

So, what happened?

The Watchtower came out and laid a guilt trip on the JW folks, reminding them that "THE ORGANIZATION" is the most important thing in the universe.

And I do mean "the universe".

Of course, the slyly tucked everything into one sweet little package of "THE ORGANIZATION IS BEING ATTACKED!", and wrapped that up in several layers of "WE NEED SYMPATHY...AND LOYALTY!".

But as we know, the Devil doesn't need love to keep his games going. He needs loyalty!

He has that loyalty from "666". "666" in turns keeps his minions in line, with blackmail, threats, bribes and whatever else it takes.

When I say that there are people here in Pittsburgh who were "witnesses" to the Satanic activity that happened, I mean people. YES! It DOES take a special mentality to keep Satanic influences a secret from your "so-called" "Brothers and Sisters", and to keep smiling all the while.

But that's EXACTLY what happened, is STILL happening as of this minute, and will keep on happening, as long as they keep their loyalty to Satan intact.

And for speaking out about what went on...I'm the BAD GUY!

It's not as bad as before. There have been some events in the world that have forced them to change their view of me. And now that the information came out, on June 3, 2013, that the Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses were TWO SEPARATE and DISTINCT groups, the Satanic Watchtower's grip was broken

Look at the announcement, made by one of their "best", by linking here...

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

...and then ask yourself, and any of them you can, WHY WOULD YOU FIGHT FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S Satanic AND DOESN'T EVEN WANT YOU?", because when I ask, they run.

We are about to enter a time period of unprecedented "evil". The Devil has done everything in his power, to keep HIS Watchtower close to his heart. His losing it like this, is a blow to his ego and his plots.

I hope that there are some out there who can help me find Clinton Heichel, or members of the other families involved.

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