LRT construction update

There are 432 comments on the St. Paul Real Estate Blog story from Aug 18, 2012, titled LRT construction update. In it, St. Paul Real Estate Blog reports that:

There is no better way to show the progress on the light rail transit construction than with photos.

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Amused

Seattle, WA

#41 Aug 18, 2012
ROFLMAO!!!!!
you are such a moron, Schmahl!
Adder

Minneapolis, MN

#42 Aug 18, 2012
Matt wrote:
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In Russian symbolism this is a success, trains and apartments.
Rail controls life because you can go only where the track goes. Roads provide freedom to live in suburbs and commute anywhere , anytime you want.
Any city with rail has huge deficits.
It will be interesting to observe how mucg red ink the CC will generate.
Amused

Seattle, WA

#43 Aug 18, 2012
ROFLMAO!!!!! "mucg"
you are such a moron, Schmahl!
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#44 Aug 18, 2012
CC fails wrote:
The Hiawatha is a failure havig to get a $20,000,000 subsidy every year from Automobile taxes. The Hiawatha runs from te largest city in Mn to the metro airport, to the VA hospital and to the MOA.
The CC runs from St Paul to Mpls, how many people need a ride between those 2 cities? There are NOT ENOUGH riders to sustain an LRT on that route.
Very few!
CC will fail!
Route 16 is a major local bus route operated by Metro Transit between downtown Minneapolis and downtown Saint Paul, Minnesota via University Avenue. It is one of the busiest and most frequent services in the Metro Transit system, carrying approximately five million riders annually. Combined with route 50, a limited-stop service which operates over the same path, the two services carried about 6.5 million riders in 2010 and had 23,766 riders on an average weekday.[1] As of 2012, route 16 runs about every 10 minutes from the morning rush hour until around 9 PM on weekdays. The route is one of the few in the system which still operates 24 hours per day, though late-night "owl" service drops down to about one bus per hour. Traversing the full route takes a little less than an hour in light traffic up to about an hour and 10 minutes during peak periods.[4]

The route runs between 10 and 11 miles from downtown to downtown. The specific length varies somewhat depending on direction, time of day, and detours due to road construction. Late-night service operates on a more circuitous route through downtown Minneapolis than regular daytime service, and the route has been significantly impacted by construction for the Central Corridor light-rail line, also known as the Green Line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Transit_Ro...
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#45 Aug 18, 2012
Mike wrote:
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If there is 150,000 jobs in Mpls only a small percentage of that are within blocks of rail and their work where an additional bus or taxi are not needed to complete the commute.
Same applies to percentage of people who live within walking distance to the rail station that don't need a bus, taxi or car to get there.
This for a multi billion dollar project serving less than 1% of total commuters.
Are you going to keep on with the lies?

Virtually ALL of the 150,000 jobs in downtown Minneapolis are within 8 blocks or so of the Green Line light rail line.

The route that the Green Line follows is already one of the busiest routes that our bus system operates.

You keep on with this 1% crap, and it STILL is incorrect here.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#46 Aug 18, 2012
Since Hiawatha LRT opened in June 2004, customers have boarded the train more than 65 million times. In 2010, customers boarded Hiawatha 10.5 million times, the highest annual ridership on the line to date. This represents more than 13% of Metro Transit’s total ridership – and exceeds by nearly 30% the preconstruction ridership projections for Hiawatha LRT for the year 2020.

Courtesy Metro Transit.

Note that the Green Line aka Central Corridor is expected to exceed the Hiawatha line in ridership.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#47 Aug 18, 2012
Fixed transitways like light rail, commuter rail and bus-rapid transit support development and
redevelopment of attractive, convenient neighborhoods with a diversity of complementary land uses.

Before construction, planners had predicted the areas surrounding Hiawatha LRT would draw 7,000 new housing units by 2020. By December 2010, 8,100 new housing units were open or under construction along the line, with another 7,700 proposed by developers.

Mixed-use and commercial/office development is also spurred by transitway investments. Recent examples in the Hiawatha Corridor include the American Academy of Neurology, Cowles Center for Dance and the Performing Arts, and the East Phillips Park Cultural and Community Center.

Again, courtesy Metro Transit
For Real

Saint Paul, MN

#48 Aug 18, 2012
The Truth wrote:
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Are you going to keep on with the lies?
Virtually ALL of the 150,000 jobs in downtown Minneapolis are within 8 blocks or so of the Green Line light rail line.
The route that the Green Line follows is already one of the busiest routes that our bus system operates.
You keep on with this 1% crap, and it STILL is incorrect here.
Eight blocks is a bogus made up number, but let's assume its right anyway.

In the middle of winter do you wanna walk 8 blocks to work after getting off the track? At best and being generous 5% would do that , so light rail for the multi billions in costs plus annual subsidies eases no road congestion based upon basic math.
Fred

San Diego, CA

#49 Aug 18, 2012
For Real wrote:
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Eight blocks is a bogus made up number, but let's assume its right anyway.
In the middle of winter do you wanna walk 8 blocks to work after getting off the track? At best and being generous 5% would do that , so light rail for the multi billions in costs plus annual subsidies eases no road congestion based upon basic math.
You are really stupid.

HALF the ridership on the Hiawatha line was new riders - people that had previously driven to work.
Amused

Seattle, WA

#50 Aug 18, 2012
In the middle of winter ??? So, you want to ONLY consider EXCEPTIONS ??? Geez, take a LONG BREAK, you need it...
Norm

Amery, WI

#51 Aug 19, 2012
City of St Paul wrote:
The Central Corridor LRT, totaling 11 miles in length with 16 planned stations, will provide a direct link between the downtowns of Saint Paul and Minneapolis via a route that traces the most important east-west transportation corridor within the Twin Cities region. It will connect major activity and employment centers such as the State Capitol campus, the Midway Shopping District and Industrial District, and the University of Minnesota. With a direct link to almost 280,000 jobs, 123,000 residents and 15 distinct neighborhoods that include many cultures, schools, places of worship and community institutions, the Central Corridor LRT represents an opportunity to ‘re-think’ how people move in Saint Paul – between home, work, shopping and recreation.
All that? The steel wheel must be magic because the bus, the former method of choice, didn't do all that. Hmmmm........

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#52 Aug 19, 2012
For Real wrote:
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Eight blocks is a bogus made up number, but let's assume its right anyway.
In the middle of winter do you wanna walk 8 blocks to work after getting off the track? At best and being generous 5% would do that , so light rail for the multi billions in costs plus annual subsidies eases no road congestion based upon basic math.
So bus lines bring you any closer to your work? Does parking in one of the expensive ramps get you any closer to yoyur work?
What

Germantown, WI

#53 Aug 19, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>So bus lines bring you any closer to your work? Does parking in one of the expensive ramps get you any closer to yoyur work?
If the track is within a mile of your final work location, you still need a bus or taxi to get you there.

This costs even more money and time
Mike

Saint Paul, MN

#54 Aug 19, 2012
[QUOTE who="woodtick57]<quote d text>So bus lines bring you any closer to your work? Does parking in one of the expensive ramps get you any closer to yoyur work?[/QUOTE]
With a car the vast majority if times you can park right next to the building you are going as final destination, with rail the vast majority of times you need additional transportation to get to final destination.
Proving this multi billion dollar boondoggle is wasteful.
Mike

Saint Paul, MN

#55 Aug 19, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>So bus lines bring you any closer to your work? Does parking in one of the expensive ramps get you any closer to yoyur work?
With a car the vast majority if times you can park right next to the building you are going as final destination, with rail the vast majority of times you need additional transportation to get to final destination. Proving this multi billion dollar boondoggle is wasteful.
Laughing Slew

Saint Paul, MN

#56 Aug 19, 2012
Mike wrote:
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With a car the vast majority if times you can park right next to the building you are going as final destination, with rail the vast majority of times you need additional transportation to get to final destination. Proving this multi billion dollar boondoggle is wasteful.
"Proving"? Haha Proving nothing.

“Government breeds Poverty”

Since: Jan 11

Woodbury

#57 Aug 19, 2012
Gee sounds fun. But pack some heat if you get stuck in the Phillips neighborhood or going down University Avenue. It's a war zone.
Smiley Slew

Seattle, WA

#58 Aug 19, 2012
What a soap+rope=dope...
Figgers

Minneapolis, MN

#59 Aug 19, 2012
Mike wrote:
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With a car the vast majority if times you can park right next to the building you are going as final destination, with rail the vast majority of times you need additional transportation to get to final destination. Proving this multi billion dollar boondoggle is wasteful.
IMHO, there are areas in the world that are OK for LRT. I don't know if Minnesota is one. We got lot's of nasty weather when it's unreasonable to expect humans to walk 1/4 mile to a LRT station when it's -10 and blowing. Or raining, kind of like riding a motorcycle it can't be counted on.

Evidence of this is that the Hiawatha has turned into nothing but a 11 mile long park and ride thing. People I know drive to residential areas near the Hiawatha and park and take the Hiawatha into DT Mpls for work. That isn't how it was supposed to work, there was supposed to be all kinds of apartments built along the Hiawatha, like in Russia and europe so we could like like Socialists in our little apartments like sardines.

I'll take my suburban house wit attached garage and job in the suburbs, NO waiting NO walking NO thugs along the way NO paying for it NO wondering when I can go to/from work/play NO wondering how to haul stuff NO dealing with idiots on the LRT/// FREEDOM!!!

FREEDOM BROTHER!!!

USA STANDS FOR FREEDOM NOT LRT LIFE!!!

IF YOU WANT LRT LIFE GO TO EUROPE!!!
Sad Slew

Seattle, WA

#60 Aug 19, 2012
Seems like you NEED bad weather year round to make your puny point...Funny, folks are tired of your whining, NOW ! Poor soap on a rope dope, can't spell or cope... LMAOROTFu ~!

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