The lunacy of Stand Your Ground

Feb 21, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

You know you're in Florida lately if there's a Stand Your Ground trial going on somewhere.

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#26 Feb 22, 2014
Enough already wrote:
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Age is irrelevant in a life or death situation.
Age is relevant when liars insist in this case that the killer was some poor old man who needed help to make his way to his seat and to fold his walker and squeeze in to sit down.

In this case, clearly: the killer was the aggressor, the killer lost his temper, the kill pulled the gun and killed the Navy vet because he was angry not because he was scared, and this was born out by what his wife said to him and what he told her: to shut the f*k up.

I'm not interested in playing hypothetical games where you get to change the rules every time I knock you on your azz.

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#27 Feb 22, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Age is relevant when liars insist in this case that the killer was some poor old man who needed help to make his way to his seat and to fold his walker and squeeze in to sit down.
In this case, clearly: the killer was the aggressor, the killer lost his temper, the kill pulled the gun and killed the Navy vet because he was angry not because he was scared, and this was born out by what his wife said to him and what he told her: to shut the f*k up.
I'm not interested in playing hypothetical games where you get to change the rules every time I knock you on your azz.
Typing to yourself again, eh vile troll?

“Uzi Does It”

Since: Nov 08

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#29 Feb 22, 2014
There's no such thing as a "stand your ground trial". The author of this op-ed piece of garbage is a clueless idiot.

“Uzi Does It”

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#30 Feb 22, 2014
LOL, too bad every time some low life African-American shot someone, it didn't generate as much attention as the rare shooting of an African-American did, LOL.
Thug

Etta, MS

#32 Feb 23, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Guests have rights too.
Where one rightfully is, has nothing to do with how one acts when in that same location.
It is and was the acts of the individual which determines how the other can legally respond.
Private property is not the same as public property. Those owning or leasing had rights to be there. A guest has a privilege granted by the owner or renter. That privilege can be revoked at any time.
If I invite you to my property you are a guest but my wife (who also is part owner of the property) can ask you what you are doing there. You can be told to leave by her and your privilege to be there is revoked.
IF you attack the property owner for asking a question you are not protected by law.

I have owned rental property before and can tell you only the renter has rights. I can't tell a person with a lease from me to leave without taking you to court but I can tell anyone else who has no lease with me to leave, including your guests. If your guest attacks me I have every right to use self defense but your guest is not protected by SYG.
Thug

Etta, MS

#33 Feb 23, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It isn't.
So we have established you don't know what SYG is.
Either.
I can assure you I have been well trained in SYG laws and self defense laws. Have you?
Thug

Etta, MS

#34 Feb 23, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It's already been established you don't know what you are talking about.
Oh like your claim Zimmerman would be found guilty of murder? Oh like your claim Dunn would be found guilty of murder?

I think you have proven you know nothing of the law.

You dodge points made to you regularly and refuse to debate issues when you are proven wrong. You simply fall back on your old tactic of insulting the person whom you are debating instead of using facts.

I accept your surrender.

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Since: Feb 14

Deep Southern Illinois

#35 Feb 23, 2014
Enough already wrote:
If George Zimmerman had been beat to death by Trayvon Martin, it would not have even made the front page news. Criminals or those prone to violence are expected to injure or kill others so it's no big deal. Stand your ground as a whole is a good thing with but a very few questionable incidents. So a fat cop wannabe defended himself from a beating many feel he instigated. Next time you see a man in a hoodie in your yard late at night, let's hope it's just a kid with a slurpee because it is apparently not acceptable to question the individual. Good luck with that.
Your correct!
If this would have been another black on white murder the local media would bury the story and the national media would never run a story of black on white violence which is running rampant in the United States.
Check out these websites, it is updated daily to the massive amounts of black on white rapes, miscegenation marriages that end up with a white wife or girlfriend murdered by her black husband/boyfriend and in many cases her white kids killed as well and so many more news articles of black mob attacks, robberies and murder against whites you never hear about.

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Find out what the Zionist/Marxist controlled media doesn't want you to know.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#36 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
<quoted text>Private property is not the same as public property. Those owning or leasing had rights to be there. A guest has a privilege granted by the owner or renter. That privilege can be revoked at any time.
If I invite you to my property you are a guest but my wife (who also is part owner of the property) can ask you what you are doing there. You can be told to leave by her and your privilege to be there is revoked.
IF you attack the property owner for asking a question you are not protected by law.
I have owned rental property before and can tell you only the renter has rights. I can't tell a person with a lease from me to leave without taking you to court but I can tell anyone else who has no lease with me to leave, including your guests. If your guest attacks me I have every right to use self defense but your guest is not protected by SYG.
So?
None of that refutes anything I said. It does however support what I said ... it is the actions of a person, no matter where they are, that determines their legal options.
Martin was a guest and therefore had the "right" (privilege as you say) to be on the property. His actions while on that property handed Zimmerman the legal protection to defend himself with lethal force. That is what I have always said. That is what you also just said.

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#38 Feb 23, 2014
Richard_ wrote:
There's no such thing as a "stand your ground trial".
So you don't speak English, DICK?

The most recent (of many) incidents in Florida will be yet another SYG trial.

The SYG part of the trial may last five minutes- with the judge laughing himself breathless with a minute to wipe the tears from his face- but surely Reeve's defense team will bring it up.

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#39 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
<quoted text>Oh like your claim Zimmerman would be found guilty of murder? Oh like your claim Dunn would be found guilty of murder?
Like your claim that I said either?

See above: what you can assure of us is: you are a m/f c/s liar.

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#40 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
You dodge points made to you regularly and refuse to debate issues.
I slap the snot out of you daily but I have the limitation of the truth on my side.

No one is waiting for you to say you have been proved wrong, dear.

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#41 Feb 23, 2014
Mr Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>Your correct!
If this would have been another black on white murder the local media would bury the story
Funny how black on white murders get more attention than any other kind of media story.

Find us a story of black on white murder that is buried in the back page of a the local paper.

Put down your KKK pamphlets and spend a few minutes and see if you can back up your big lying mouth.

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#42 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
<quoted text>Private property is not the same as public property. Those owning or leasing had rights to be there. A guest has a privilege granted by the owner or renter. That privilege can be revoked at any time.
The Martin boy had EXACTLY the same rights to be EXACTLY where he was at when he was confronted by the pedophile WHO WAS ALSO A GUEST, and the pedophile had ABSOLUTELY NO SAY on revoking the rights the Martin boy had.

NONE.

ZIP.

The only person who could revoke the "guest" privileged would be the person who extended it to him in the first place.

I guess you can assure us you don't know what you are talking about in property law either.

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#43 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
I can't tell a person with a lease from me to leave without taking you to court but I can tell anyone else who has no lease with me to leave, including your guests.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You can't do sh!t.

For all intents and purposes, when you rent a property, the tenant becomes the owner and assumes all the property rights and privileges of the property.

If you don't like the guests the tenant allows to stay in his residence: move to evict the tenant or don't renew his lease.

If you have a lease.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#44 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
<quoted text>Private property is not the same as public property. Those owning or leasing had rights to be there. A guest has a privilege granted by the owner or renter. That privilege can be revoked at any time.
If I invite you to my property you are a guest but my wife (who also is part owner of the property) can ask you what you are doing there. You can be told to leave by her and your privilege to be there is revoked.
IF you attack the property owner for asking a question you are not protected by law.
I have owned rental property before and can tell you only the renter has rights. I can't tell a person with a lease from me to leave without taking you to court but I can tell anyone else who has no lease with me to leave, including your guests. If your guest attacks me I have every right to use self defense but your guest is not protected by SYG.
When a person's rent is paid up, it is their property for all intents and purposes during the lease period already paid for. The landlord has no say about who a renter can or can not have as guests unless it is specifically spelled out in the rental agreement from the very beginning.
If a guest is a live-in "guest" and there are no provisions in the lease to say otherwise, then the owner has no say in the matter unless the renter defaults on their lease in some other way. In that case, the owner can evict all persons from the property after due process.

"your guest is not protected by SYG."
That depends on how the SYG law is worded in any one state. There is no set standard for all states when it comes to SYG. Correct?

When I said "guests have rights", I was speaking in general. Being a "guest" or a renter or lessee, or an owner in no way diminishes any rights that we all have in common under due process of the law.

" If your guest attacks me I have every right to use self defense but your guest is not protected by SYG."
And likewise when the inverse is true and you attack that same guest, it is you who is not covered under SYG. Like I said, it is NOT where one is that determines one's legal options of defense, it is all based on the actions of the individuals involved. Correct?

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#45 Feb 23, 2014
Thug wrote:
. If your guest attacks me I have every right to use self defense but your guest is not protected by SYG.
If you attack my guest, he or shy has every right to use self defense including shooting through the front door and unloading a second clip just to be sure.

SYG has absolutely NOTHING to do with tenancy.

HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#46 Feb 23, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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No one is waiting for you to say you have been proved wrong, dear.
Of course not. You have yet to prove anyone wrong here.
DUH !

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#47 Feb 23, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Of course not. You have yet to prove anyone wrong here.
DUH !
Already have, shug.

Do you want to start with the states where the No Guns signs have the weight of law?

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#48 Feb 23, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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When a person's rent is paid up, it is their property for all intents and purposes during the lease period already paid for.
What did I just say, Shug... before you said it?

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