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Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

There are 9853 comments on the Bloomberg story from Mar 20, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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Well

York, PA

#10132 Jul 14, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
NOT GUILTY, BITCHES!
So now the Martin supporters are demanding that a civil right violation case be brought against Zimmerman buy the US attorney general. Only one problem with that. He was found NOT GUILTY of murder-2 or manslaughter because HE WAS LAWFULLY DEFENDING HIMSELF AGAINST A VIOLENT ATTACK.
LET. IT GO.
Unfortunately, it is not that simple. If the US justice department decides he violated Martin's civil rights, Zimmerman faces a whole new trial. According to the reports I have read, he could even receive the death penalty and there is no double jeopardy. Additionally, he can be sued in civil court like OJ Simpson, and if they win, big dollars could be awarded. There is a real risk that Zimmerman's legal issues will continue for several years...
John law

Charlotte, NC

#10133 Jul 14, 2013
Im glad that punk got popped. He was a jailbird in the making. Too bad all you losers who hate white people.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#10134 Jul 15, 2013
Well wrote:
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Unfortunately, it is not that simple. If the US justice department decides he violated Martin's civil rights, Zimmerman faces a whole new trial. According to the reports I have read, he could even receive the death penalty and there is no double jeopardy. Additionally, he can be sued in civil court like OJ Simpson, and if they win, big dollars could be awarded. There is a real risk that Zimmerman's legal issues will continue for several years...
WTH are you talking about with the death penalty??? And what reports? Got any links???

This was NOT a capital crime trial. Nor would a civil trial. The justice department has been investigating this thing for over a year, and even said FROM THE BEGINNING that this was not a racial issue.

Why do you think the prosecution didn't bring up Zimmerman's past regarding the scuffle in the bar or the mutual restraining orders between him and his ex?? Why didn't they have Martin's father testify about who's voice it was screaming on the tape??? His father initially said it was NOT his son screaming on the tape, only to change his mind later when he realized it didn't help his son's case. If the prosecution had wanted to dive into Zimmerman's past, that would have opened Trayvon's past for scrutiny as well which the prosecution did NOT want to happen.

And what "big dollars" are you talking about. Zimmerman has no money. And as my grandad use to say....you can't get blood from a turnip.
Well

York, PA

#10135 Jul 15, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
WTH are you talking about with the death penalty??? And what reports? Got any links???
This was NOT a capital crime trial. Nor would a civil trial. The justice department has been investigating this thing for over a year, and even said FROM THE BEGINNING that this was not a racial issue.
Why do you think the prosecution didn't bring up Zimmerman's past regarding the scuffle in the bar or the mutual restraining orders between him and his ex?? Why didn't they have Martin's father testify about who's voice it was screaming on the tape??? His father initially said it was NOT his son screaming on the tape, only to change his mind later when he realized it didn't help his son's case. If the prosecution had wanted to dive into Zimmerman's past, that would have opened Trayvon's past for scrutiny as well which the prosecution did NOT want to happen.
And what "big dollars" are you talking about. Zimmerman has no money. And as my grandad use to say....you can't get blood from a turnip.
A couple of the talking heads on TV Sunday discussed that he could be charged with a capital hate crime. Which could bring the death penalty or life in prison. The original reports on line were from last year. Nothing current to provide as this point.

As for blood out of a turnip, true enough. But, that would not stop a jury from making the award. Zimmerman would be ruined financially. The links below provide a little background. Unfortunately, I believe he will be in court again...

http://www.crimeandconsequences.com/crimblog/...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-fac...

http://www.courier-journal.com/usatoday/artic...
menards

Pottersville, NJ

#10136 Jul 15, 2013
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Is that what the jury said?
Just so you are aware, a jury will not pronounce you innocent. What the jury stated, is that there was not enough evidence presented to find George Zimmerman guilty. Anyone with common sense can deduce that George Zimmerman is a guilty man, just not proven in a court of law.
menards

Pottersville, NJ

#10137 Jul 15, 2013
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Now what?
Shellie: Pending Charges/upcomming trial for perjuring herself during Georges bail hearing.

The Martin's: Civil suit for wrongful death. In a Civil suit, Zimmerman would be forced to testify to give his explanation of why he followed/confronted/murders Martin.

Zimmerman Family: More books/appearences/capitalizing off the ordeal while they can and people still care.

George: I have a feeling this wont be the last time you read about George M. Zimmerman in the news....

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#10138 Jul 15, 2013
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of the talking heads on TV Sunday discussed that he could be charged with a capital hate crime. Which could bring the death penalty or life in prison. The original reports on line were from last year. Nothing current to provide as this point.
As for blood out of a turnip, true enough. But, that would not stop a jury from making the award. Zimmerman would be ruined financially. The links below provide a little background. Unfortunately, I believe he will be in court again...
http://www.crimeandconsequences.com/crimblog/...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-fac...
http://www.courier-journal.com/usatoday/artic...
An FBI investigation at the beginning of the investigation said that this was NOT racially motivated. The Martin's are simply trying to cash in by playing the race card which was SHREDDED a long time ago. Nothing more....nothing less.
Anti-Fascism

United States

#10139 Jul 15, 2013
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Now Shellie goes to trial for perjuring herself while her husband George sat there like a potted plant. Afterward, if those two can still stand to be around one another they move to a place where they can feel safe to go about their lives.
The Justice Department might review the case but it's doubtful that it will pursue a denial of civil rights case. There were no winners in this case...only losers.
Even if they wanted to, I'd ask: How could they prove that Zimmerman "denied Trayvon his civil rights"? They couldn't.

If the prosecution could not prove that Zimmerman committed *any* crime that night then who's to say the federal government could?

Only tyrannical fascists would attempt that, as they tried to put Zimmerman in prison once already, yet thankfully did not get away with it.

The [tyrannical] government had no good evidence or proof concerning Zimmermans' guilt; they put him on trial based upon HIS race compared to Trayvons' race. Zimmerman should be seeking to impeach, imprison and sue the butts of those who forced Zimmerman on trial and infringed upon HIS "civil rights."

How about that?

And Trayvon was the proven racist that night, all thanks to Jeantel slipping up and telling some of the truth about what Trayvon said about Zimmerman being a "cr***a" - so should Trayvons' parents be sued for their money since Zimmerman will claim that Trayon, their son, attempted to murder Zimmerman because of his "race" now?

This is pathetic beyond belief.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#10141 Jul 15, 2013
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of the talking heads on TV Sunday discussed that he could be charged with a capital hate crime. Which could bring the death penalty or life in prison. The original reports on line were from last year. Nothing current to provide as this point.
As for blood out of a turnip, true enough. But, that would not stop a jury from making the award. Zimmerman would be ruined financially. The links below provide a little background. Unfortunately, I believe he will be in court again...
http://www.crimeandconsequences.com/crimblog/...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-fac...
http://www.courier-journal.com/usatoday/artic...
A "captial hate crime" is a criminal offense. He can not be charged or proesecuted criminally for the death of Martin ever again. That goes against the double-indemnity clause. He can be sued in a civil trial, but not a criminal trial.
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#10142 Jul 15, 2013
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so you are aware, a jury will not pronounce you innocent. What the jury stated, is that there was not enough evidence presented to find George Zimmerman guilty. Anyone with common sense can deduce that George Zimmerman is a guilty man, just not proven in a court of law.
You obviously lack common sense. But we knew that.
Well

Manchester, MI

#10143 Jul 15, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
A "captial hate crime" is a criminal offense. He can not be charged or proesecuted criminally for the death of Martin ever again. That goes against the double-indemnity clause. He can be sued in a civil trial, but not a criminal trial.
Reasonable people would certainly think that. However there seems to be a loophole (state vs federal). While it would be difficult for the Justice Department to proceed and win, they might proceed any way because of the public outcry. And as we have both pointed out, there is still the potential civil issue.

Link from last year:

http://www.examiner.com/article/double-jeopar...

Current predicament:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/15/as...

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#10144 Jul 15, 2013
Well wrote:
<quoted text>
Reasonable people would certainly think that. However there seems to be a loophole (state vs federal). While it would be difficult for the Justice Department to proceed and win, they might proceed any way because of the public outcry. And as we have both pointed out, there is still the potential civil issue.
Link from last year:
http://www.examiner.com/article/double-jeopar...
Current predicament:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/15/as...
There is no loophole for double indemnity. He CANNOT be criminally charged twice for the death or Martin. No ifs, ands or buts about it. If they attempt to, he could bring a suit against those filing it for violating his CONSTITUTIONAL rights.
Well

York, PA

#10145 Jul 15, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no loophole for double indemnity. He CANNOT be criminally charged twice for the death or Martin. No ifs, ands or buts about it. If they attempt to, he could bring a suit against those filing it for violating his CONSTITUTIONAL rights.
Did you read the link and links included on the web page? Not looking for an argument, just sharing what would seem to be an issue if the Justice Department believed they had a hate crime case.
Law

Bellevue, NE

#10146 Jul 15, 2013
menards wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so you are aware, a jury will not pronounce you innocent. What the jury stated, is that there was not enough evidence presented to find George Zimmerman guilty.
I never said the jury verdict was "innocent". Where do you get the idea hat I did? I know far more about the law than you do.
menards wrote:
Anyone with common sense can deduce that George Zimmerman is a guilty man, just not proven in a court of law.
BS!!! You make a statement like that and claim anyone with common sense would agree with you? Where did you practice law? Chicago?
Slambo

Castle Rock, CO

#10147 Jul 15, 2013
Mr. Zimmerman is now a National Hero for dispatching the dopehead punk.

I still have a few dopehead punk in crosshairs T-shirts left. Get em while they're still available!

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#10149 Jul 15, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no loophole for double indemnity. He CANNOT be criminally charged twice for the death or Martin. No ifs, ands or buts about it. If they attempt to, he could bring a suit against those filing it for violating his CONSTITUTIONAL rights.
I misspoke. I should have said "double jeopardy".
menards

Pottersville, NJ

#10283 Jul 18, 2013
Immediate effects of the George Zimmerman verdict:

http://www.nj.com/passaic-county/index.ssf/20...
Deport Obama

United States

#10284 Jul 18, 2013
Why did Travon have kiddie porn on his cell phone and why haven't we heard more about this ?
Besara

Omaha, NE

#10304 Jul 19, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
I love to get it on with livestock!!!
We knew that already!
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#10305 Jul 19, 2013
Kanye West attacks photographer at LAX; paramedics rush to the scene. Law enforcement sources, said cops are labeling the case a felony.

It would seem attacking a person for "following" is illegal.

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