City releases video of fatal police shooting of El Paso bodybuilder Daniel Saenz

Jun 17, 2014 Full story: El Paso Times 29

An El Paso police officer pulled his Taser stun gun after he drew his handgun and fatally shot a handcuffed prisoner at the Downtown Jail last year , according to security camera footage released Monday by the city of El Paso.

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tim

El Paso, TX

#1 Jun 17, 2014
i'm soon to get my chl and had been considering buying a beretta 3032 for my edc. that cop's glock was a 9 at least, maybe even a .40, and the perp still had a lot of kick left in him after getting shot. having watched this vid i think i need to up my caliber.
Best choice

La Luz, NM

#2 Jun 17, 2014
tim wrote:
i'm soon to get my chl and had been considering buying a beretta 3032 for my edc. that cop's glock was a 9 at least, maybe even a .40, and the perp still had a lot of kick left in him after getting shot. having watched this vid i think i need to up my caliber.
.45 acp

Many good guns to select from but not of them make up for good bullet placement.
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wrongful death lawsuit

El Paso, TX

#3 Jun 17, 2014
tim wrote:
i'm soon to get my chl and had been considering buying a beretta 3032 for my edc. that cop's glock was a 9 at least, maybe even a .40, and the perp still had a lot of kick left in him after getting shot. having watched this vid i think i need to up my caliber.
Please show the gun up your azz and fire at least twice.
tim

El Paso, TX

#4 Jun 17, 2014
wrongful death lawsuit wrote:
<quoted text>Please show the gun up your azz and fire at least twice.
nonsense. can't you read, "soon to get my chl". won't be getting a 45 as that other poster suggested either. too big to pocket carry. i dress office casual and the company policy is you can carry at work as long as you don't print. i might pull it off with an iwb holster, but that seems like too much trouble. recoil would probably be an issued for me, too. now i'm leaning toward a kahr pm9. i've read good things about it.
POS NM

El Monte, CA

#5 Jun 17, 2014
That accidental shooting was probably due to the officer so worried about the struggling democrat controlled El Paso economy. He was certainly so preoccupied with monetary obligations and forgot to put his side arm on safe.

.45mm is a powerful round but the bullet travels slower.

9mm fires great low recoil and ammo is cheap.

.40cal is ideal round light no recoil and obviously will render any threat immobilized
POS_EL_PASO

El Paso, TX

#6 Jun 18, 2014
You call that a body builder, he looks like a wimp to me.
POS location undisclosed

United States

#7 Jun 18, 2014
tim wrote:
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nonsense. can't you read, "soon to get my chl". won't be getting a 45 as that other poster suggested either. too big to pocket carry. i dress office casual and the company policy is you can carry at work as long as you don't print. i might pull it off with an iwb holster, but that seems like too much trouble. recoil would probably be an issued for me, too. now i'm leaning toward a kahr pm9. i've read good things about it.
The PM9 model is pricey at over 600$. You should look at the CM9 model. Basically the same gun except for some features that really donít matter in a pocket gun (I think) but at about half the price of the PM9. I would carry the 9mm but every type I looked at (Sig Sauer, S&W, Kel-Tec, Taurus) were all just a little too big for me to pocket carry comfortably. I have the budget Kahr CW380. Itís small enough to fit in my jeans watch pocket.†Itís loaded with Speer Gold Dot 90gr hollow points. The recoil isnít bad at all. Youtube is a great source to find information on the guns and ammo available. I suggest these channels to get started: Hickok45, TNOutdoors9, RealGuysReviews, TheYankeeMarshal & NutnFancy. Whatever you buy, I suggest you put some Talon grips on the handle. They really help control the gun.
damage control

El Paso, TX

#8 Jun 18, 2014
The cop already hired a lawyer and is on unpaid leave pending his dismissal. The moron cop should never have taken out his gun and should have used his taser instead no matter if it was the sixth time using the taser. The sheriff's deputy has no fault in this situation, he was just trying to help restrain the man.

Why were there only two officers trying to restrain this guy. If they knew that he was a threat then he should have been placed in a restraining chair prior to leaving or there should have been more officers helping to restrain the guy.

Shooting any person while they are detained is no worse than shooting a dog that is tied to a tree. It is a cowardly act and but for the officer taken out his gun instead of his taser the guy would still be alive today. Besides that, aren't officers supposed to check in their weapons before they enter the jail?
Petro

El Paso, TX

#9 Jun 18, 2014
POS location undisclosed wrote:
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The PM9 model is pricey at over 600$. You should look at the CM9 model. Basically the same gun except for some features that really donít matter in a pocket gun (I think) but at about half the price of the PM9. I would carry the 9mm but every type I looked at (Sig Sauer, S&W, Kel-Tec, Taurus) were all just a little too big for me to pocket carry comfortably. I have the budget Kahr CW380. Itís small enough to fit in my jeans watch pocket.†Itís loaded with Speer Gold Dot 90gr hollow points. The recoil isnít bad at all. Youtube is a great source to find information on the guns and ammo available. I suggest these channels to get started: Hickok45, TNOutdoors9, RealGuysReviews, TheYankeeMarshal & NutnFancy. Whatever you buy, I suggest you put some Talon grips on the handle. They really help control the gun.
Talon grips is what your wifa uses on her 10 inch vibrator you joto.
POS_EL_PASO

El Paso, TX

#10 Jun 18, 2014
damage control wrote:
The cop already hired a lawyer and is on unpaid leave pending his dismissal. The moron cop should never have taken out his gun and should have used his taser instead no matter if it was the sixth time using the taser. The sheriff's deputy has no fault in this situation, he was just trying to help restrain the man.
Why were there only two officers trying to restrain this guy. If they knew that he was a threat then he should have been placed in a restraining chair prior to leaving or there should have been more officers helping to restrain the guy.
Shooting any person while they are detained is no worse than shooting a dog that is tied to a tree. It is a cowardly act and but for the officer taken out his gun instead of his taser the guy would still be alive today. Besides that, aren't officers supposed to check in their weapons before they enter t?
He probably wasnt even a body builder anyways and is burning in hell right now. Let by gones be by gones. Im glad he is dead. Hopefully his family spends alot of money trying to sue its good for the economy.
spin cycle

El Paso, TX

#11 Jun 18, 2014
damage control wrote:
The cop already hired a lawyer and is on unpaid leave pending his dismissal. The moron cop should never have taken out his gun and should have used his taser instead no matter if it was the sixth time using the taser. The sheriff's deputy has no fault in this situation, he was just trying to help restrain the man.
Why were there only two officers trying to restrain this guy. If they knew that he was a threat then he should have been placed in a restraining chair prior to leaving or there should have been more officers helping to restrain the guy.
Shooting any person while they are detained is no worse than shooting a dog that is tied to a tree. It is a cowardly act and but for the officer taken out his gun instead of his taser the guy would still be alive today. Besides that, aren't officers supposed to check in their weapons before they enter the jail?
Hear me out on this; I see this as a win for immediate family and community at large. His mom is a college professor, his sister a renowned psychologist, his brother a widely published author. All respectable, contributing members of society. Bodybuilder on the other hand, not so much. No so much. His family has a very good wrongful death case and they'll probably win a big cash settlement. This case won't even go to trail. Hopefully the millions they're awarded will buy them some grief relief.
damage control

El Paso, TX

#12 Jun 18, 2014
POS_EL_PASO wrote:
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He probably wasnt even a body builder anyways and is burning in hell right now. Let by gones be by gones. Im glad he is dead. Hopefully his family spends alot of money trying to sue its good for the economy.
Really guy? Why would he be burning in hell? Don't project you're own short comings into this thread.
damage control

El Paso, TX

#13 Jun 18, 2014
spin cycle wrote:
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Hear me out on this; I see this as a win for immediate family and community at large. His mom is a college professor, his sister a renowned psychologist, his brother a widely published author. All respectable, contributing members of society. Bodybuilder on the other hand, not so much. No so much. His family has a very good wrongful death case and they'll probably win a big cash settlement. This case won't even go to trail. Hopefully the millions they're awarded will buy them some grief relief.
I can't hear you but I'll read. So his life is worth less because he's not as successful as other members of his family? Of course the case won't go to trial. Cop gets fired and city pays off family between 600 and 800 k, my guess.
spin cycle

El Paso, TX

#14 Jun 18, 2014
damage control wrote:
<quoted text>I can't hear you but I'll read. So his life is worth less because he's not as successful as other members of his family? Of course the case won't go to trial. Cop gets fired and city pays off family between 600 and 800 k, my guess.
Not because he's less successful, but because of what he contributed to society. Body builders are narcissistic, self-centered by nature. Trying to compensate for some perceived or actual short coming. Plenty of "unsuccessful", everyday folks out there doing right by their family/community. Yeah, I didn't know him. Maybe he was a great guy when he wasn't acting psychotically. All I'm "saying" is maybe it's better he ended up this way, rather than going nut case on some innocent bystander, or even a family member.
damage control

El Paso, TX

#15 Jun 18, 2014
spin cycle wrote:
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Not because he's less successful, but because of what he contributed to society. Body builders are narcissistic, self-centered by nature. Trying to compensate for some perceived or actual short coming. Plenty of "unsuccessful", everyday folks out there doing right by their family/community. Yeah, I didn't know him. Maybe he was a great guy when he wasn't acting psychotically. All I'm "saying" is maybe it's better he ended up this way, rather than going nut case on some innocent bystander, or even a family r.
He would go nut case on my pica mi cola.
damage control

El Paso, TX

#16 Jun 18, 2014
spin cycle wrote:
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Not because he's less successful, but because of what he contributed to society. Body builders are narcissistic, self-centered by nature. Trying to compensate for some perceived or actual short coming. Plenty of "unsuccessful", everyday folks out there doing right by their family/community. Yeah, I didn't know him. Maybe he was a great guy when he wasn't acting psychotically. All I'm "saying" is maybe it's better he ended up this way, rather than going nut case on some innocent bystander, or even a family member.
I don't know the guy either and I am familiar with "roid rage" if that's what you are referring to. But that's a hell of a way to die, handcuffed and shot whether it was intentional like the mass killing being reported in Iraq right now or whether it was an accident. RIP
spin cycle

El Paso, TX

#17 Jun 18, 2014
damage control wrote:
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He would go nut case on my pica mi cola.
I'll give you that. It's a shame better procedures aren't in place to handle rowdy detainees. Even if just hog tying the guy. What's done is done.
Steve Dooley

El Paso, TX

#18 Jun 18, 2014
spin cycle wrote:
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I'll give you that. It's a shame better procedures aren't in place to handle rowdy detainees. Even if just hog tying the guy. What's done is done.
You cat hog tie a man, it's unseemly and it's cruel. They call it hog tying because it's done to ANIMALS, to pigs and swine. What's wrong with a little dignity, a little respect and some compassion, for crissakes?
damage control

El Paso, TX

#19 Jun 18, 2014
damage control wrote:
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He would go nut case on my pica mi cola.
Petro, go back to molesting your children or having fgt molest your culo.
damage control

El Paso, TX

#20 Jun 18, 2014
damage control wrote:
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He would go nut case on my pica mi cola.
Hey petro go back to molesting your children or fgt you vile mexicant.

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