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Arrest made in hate crime murder, details of the crime emerge

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“dyssonance hotmail”

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#21
Jul 31, 2008
 
Brandi Parker wrote:
what do you think is the major concern when trying to pass a non discrimination law anywhere its the issue of transexual or transgenred women ( and I separate thoses two catigories because in my eyes theirs a huge differances) entering a womens restroom or locker room who has male genital.......their talking about the Penis by the way.
Ok, we may need to distance ourselves, as there will be issues depending on how you set up those huge differences.

While not all transsexuals are transgender,*most* are, technically, even if, like me, they aren't particularly fond of the label.

if they went form man to woman, then they are transgender. If they only change their sex, then they are not. Again, technically speaking (lordy, with my luck, Cathryn will show up here and I'll get into the whole HBS fight *again*).

And I'm aware of that piece of anatomy, hon -- I have had one, ya know.

And no, they aren't worried about the penis. They are worried about the risk, that they associate with a penis, based on their sexism (prejudice).

Right now, at PHB, we have several diaries dealing with the subject. You should come over and check into them.

I do have one question for you: is there, in your opinion, any valid reason that a transgender person should not be allowed into the women's restroom, and, if so, then what is it?

I actually have five questions I'm asking widely, but that one should be enough for right now twixt us girls.
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I do agree with you that part of his reactions was based of fear and bigotry abd that a lot of education needs to be done. But I also think that ANYONe who has male genitail has the responsiblity to tell that to anyone they are thinking of are trying to have sex with.
I disagree. I do not believe that there is any, across the board, categorically correct rule regarding disclosure, as *every* single interpersonal situation is different.

And I doubt most men are going to tell me "um, woman, I have a penis".(humor, btw...)
Brandi Parker wrote:
The other person invloved has the right to know who tnhier sleeping with and to make thier own choice.
They do. Having a penis doesn't change who you are.
Brandi Parker wrote:
she mislead him they talked many times long before this meeting took place she plenty of opportunity to tell him about hers;ef had she then this would have never happened the facts are that simple.
I will be blunt: you are saying the equivalent of"she dressed like a slut, and if she didn't, she wouldnt have been raped".

That, to me, is blaming the victim. And I have been nice about it until now.

I understand your point, but you are doing her an injustice.
Brandi Parker wrote:
Yes I hurt and terribly sadden by this young womens death but it all could have been avoided with a little honesty on her part about who she truely was.
Sincerely
Brandi Parker
SWVA Rep Equality Va
She did. he just wasn't educated and tolerant enough to realize that.

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#22
Jul 31, 2008
 
Now, Brandi,

For one, Dont take what I'm saying as a condemnation of you.

I am stating what I am stating because this is my philosophical and legal and personal position.

You can disagree with me.

I do understand your point. I simply disagree with it. I think that it causes more trouble for the individual than it is worth.

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Jul 31, 2008
 
Oh, and are you going to SCC? If so, wanna sit and talk one day?

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Sorry But I'm afraid I have no idea what you mean DoR what is that ? I know lots of post ops none have any trouble being accetped as women and none have been beatten up or raped maybe you and I just run in differant circles and that's why we have differing opinions.

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Aug 1, 2008
 
DoR = Day Of Remembrance

For certain its different circles -- as I noted, I work with gals from the "wrong side of the tracks" daily.

I range from the street on up to the board room (was in a board meeting last night), and all points in between.

But, significantly, we're on opposite coasts -- I'm in Arizona, iirc, you are east coast.

Out here, all it takes is for someone to out you, post op, to raise the same risks. The only way to pull it off and not have these risks is to stay totally stealth.

I will say, though, that I am still amazed at the number of men who actively seek out transsexual women that are pre-op.

If'n I could get over some personal issues, I could be making a killing...

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#26
Aug 2, 2008
 
Hey, Dyssonance!

I just want to add that we only have Andrede's word that Angie didn't tell him she was trans. And since he's using the defense that he was surprised by the fact that she had a penis to justify his murder, he's not going to say otherwise whether or not it's true.

Brandi, trans women are murdered on a regular basis. Surgical status doesn't matter (and I find labeling women as "pre-op," "post-op" or "non-op" to be essentialist and dehumanizing). Dyssonance is right about this stuff - about how often trans women are murdered, how many trans women are working as prostitutes.

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#27
Aug 2, 2008
 
Correct! We could further make the assumption that he knew and that Angie would NOT perform the sex acts that he wanted! It really doesn't matter why he did it. Nothing justifies his actions!

The bottom line is that she is dead and he admitted to the murder. I see his major demise in this as admitting that once the "surprise" pushed him to hit her unmercifully until he thought she was dead, when she started to make noises he returned to finish the job. He is going to jail for a long time while the family and friends grieve the loss of their loved one.

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#28
Aug 2, 2008
 
Yes, it doesn't matter. We don't need to analyze the situation to determine anything that Angie allegedly did wrong because nothing she did meant she deserved to die.

And I really hope you're right about that. I hope they put him away for a long, long time because of that testimony. I expect him to get a relative slap on the wrist, though.:( Historically, how often do the murderers get the sentences they should for killing a trans woman?

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Aug 2, 2008
 
They don't.

This one may change that.

But I, for one, am not holding my breath.

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Aug 2, 2008
 
Exactly. :(
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