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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#22 Sep 13, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
Stop ciorcumventing our laws and end birthright citizenship...that's all we need to do.
If the US did that; neither you nor I would be a citizen
.
Where in the heck would citizens come from?
Brenda besson

United States

#23 Sep 13, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Your last three posts could have been attributed to a plantation owner in 1859.
lol white american with a new name lol
Brenda besson

United States

#24 Sep 13, 2013
Holla Isabella wrote:
<quoted text>
I say deport every single parasitic illegal alien, men, women, children. Try and keep families together if possible, but if not, put them on separate buses going to different locations in Mexico and let the illegals find their family members.
I NEVER eat in a restaurant that employs wet backs. If I see anyone who looks like a wet back, I leave. I know there may be others hiding in the kitchen, so I always ask the waiter or waitress if there are wet backs in the kitchen before I order. If the restaurants that hire we backs raise their prices, I don't care. I never eat there anyway.
Also stay away from Tysen chicken and KFC which uses Tysen as a supplier. Round up the lowlife liars, thieves and cheats. They have invaded or country like an army of vermin.
right on.
Brenda besson

United States

#25 Sep 13, 2013
Congress,wont be working on anything.you lost we won,take your kids and get out.this is america.
Brenda besson

United States

#26 Sep 13, 2013
Enforce existing law wrote:
Finish the fence,
Deport the illegals who jumped line,
The entire family, so nobody gets separated...
Prohibit these arrogant line jumpers from attempting entry for twenty years.
right on.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#27 Sep 13, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
If the US did that; neither you nor I would be a citizen
.
Where in the heck would citizens come from?
Really? Can you figure it out?

Native born: born in USA
Naturalized: one parent US citizen
Natural born: born in USA both parents US citizens

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#28 Sep 13, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
If the US did that; neither you nor I would be a citizen
.
Where in the heck would citizens come from?
well
Population
5.2 million

As of the 2010 Census, the nation's population of American Indians and Alaska Natives, including those of more than one race. They made up 1.7 percent of the total population. Of this total, 2.9 million were American Indian and Alaska Native only, and 2.3 million were American Indian and Alaska Native in combination with one or more other races.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#29 Sep 13, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
If a restaurant owner has to cheat on taxes, rip off their customers, use inferior quality ingredients and hire illegal aliens to succeed then they should get out of business. Personally I feel that if a restaurant owner is willing to hire illegal aliens to save a few dollars then they have already cut corners by not discarding out of date ingredients, reducing or eliminating sanitation procedures, cheating on taxes, and not abiding by the rules, regulations that other restaurant owners do and doing other illegal, deceitful and dangerous things to increase their profits. Personally I do not mind paying more to get safe, quality food from an honest business owner.
The point in my posts was the extra costs in all aspects.
This is part of the reason that we have the current situation.
Big companies and the government do not wish to make any changes in part due to this extra cost, and losses that would occur.

another example i have seen is that undocumented people can buy homes. It usually requires a large down payment to the bank. They pay high interest rates and high payments. A few years pass and the owner is deported, the house is repossessed and sold again.

Another example is undocumented people often buy cars and pay high interest but have no license. They are stopped and often arrested, make bond, go to court and pay large fines. Many in order to get to work continue to drive. Stopped again, the fines are often doubled. The circle goes round and round. The government pulls in allot of money through the courts this way.

there are many many more examples of why the system does not want to make changes.
Holla Isabella

Bronx, NY

#30 Sep 13, 2013
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text>The point in my posts was the extra costs in all aspects.
This is part of the reason that we have the current situation.
Big companies and the government do not wish to make any changes in part due to this extra cost, and losses that would occur.
another example i have seen is that undocumented people can buy homes. It usually requires a large down payment to the bank. They pay high interest rates and high payments. A few years pass and the owner is deported, the house is repossessed and sold again.
Another example is undocumented people often buy cars and pay high interest but have no license. They are stopped and often arrested, make bond, go to court and pay large fines. Many in order to get to work continue to drive. Stopped again, the fines are often doubled. The circle goes round and round. The government pulls in allot of money through the courts this way.
there are many many more examples of why the system does not want to make changes.
Apparently, there is no end to your ignorance, arrogance and plain old-fashioned stupidity. You spout the same liberal bullshit a your fellow asshole Turner. There are 330 million people in the US (and an additional 20+ million subhuman illegal alien subhumans). Were the Europeans supposed to turn around and go back to Europe when they discovered Indians and Eskimos lived here? Let the entire continent remain undeveloped so a few million savages who did not even have a written language, hadn't discovered the wheel or made metal tools could continue on their 35,000-year camping troop? What Americans did to the Indians has absolutely NOTHING to do with illegal alien wet backs infesting this country like vermin, taking away the rights of Americans and stealing tax-funded services. They all need to be rounded up, beaten if they resist, and deported. Feel free to join them, scumbag.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#31 Sep 13, 2013
Holla Isabella wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently, there is no end to your ignorance, arrogance and plain old-fashioned stupidity. You spout the same liberal bullshit a your fellow asshole Turner. There are 330 million people in the US (and an additional 20+ million subhuman illegal alien subhumans). Were the Europeans supposed to turn around and go back to Europe when they discovered Indians and Eskimos lived here? Let the entire continent remain undeveloped so a few million savages who did not even have a written language, hadn't discovered the wheel or made metal tools could continue on their 35,000-year camping troop? What Americans did to the Indians has absolutely NOTHING to do with illegal alien wet backs infesting this country like vermin, taking away the rights of Americans and stealing tax-funded services. They all need to be rounded up, beaten if they resist, and deported. Feel free to join them, scumbag.
Isabella back to Italy?
Brenda besson

United States

#32 Sep 13, 2013
Holla Isabella wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently, there is no end to your ignorance, arrogance and plain old-fashioned stupidity. You spout the same liberal bullshit a your fellow asshole Turner. There are 330 million people in the US (and an additional 20+ million subhuman illegal alien subhumans). Were the Europeans supposed to turn around and go back to Europe when they discovered Indians and Eskimos lived here? Let the entire continent remain undeveloped so a few million savages who did not even have a written language, hadn't discovered the wheel or made metal tools could continue on their 35,000-year camping troop? What Americans did to the Indians has absolutely NOTHING to do with illegal alien wet backs infesting this country like vermin, taking away the rights of Americans and stealing tax-funded services. They all need to be rounded up, beaten if they resist, and deported. Feel free to join them, scumbag.
lol isabella right on.
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#33 Sep 13, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
If the US did that; neither you nor I would be a citizen
.
Where in the heck would citizens come from?
From parents who are citizens of this country or parents that are here legally, duh!
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#34 Sep 13, 2013
Annaleigh wrote:
It is estimated that there are over 3 million migrant and seasonal farmworkers in the United States.
1
The
2007-2009 NAWS survey results indicate that 48 % of farmworkers do not have legal authorization to work in the United States
Migrant and seasonal farmworkers represent some of the most economically disadvantaged people in the U.S.
In addition to low wages, farmworkers rarely have access to worker’s compensation, occupational rehabilitation, or disability compensation benefits.
Because worker’s compensation benefits are state
-dependent, agricultural workers
are often further challenged by the qualifications and requirements of each individual state.
this is just the agriculture industry.
what would happen to the price of consumer agriculture products if all the workers were replaced with Americans?
one would have to pay minimum wages, provide workers comp, match ssi, ect ect.
one farm worker dies every day and 10 are injured.
now we have disability...
expenses can go on and on if we replace migrant workers with us workers...
Only 3% of illegals are picking crops. The other 97% are doing jobs that Americans have always done. Even for crop picking there are unlimited visas for legal foriengers for those jobs. The growers are only pocketing the profits from cheap, illegal labor they aren't passing any savings on to we the taxpayer. They are also passing the social costs of their cheap, illegal labor on to we the taxpayer. We don't need illegals for anything!

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#35 Sep 13, 2013
Holla Isabella wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently, there is no end to your ignorance, arrogance and plain old-fashioned stupidity. You spout the same liberal bullshit a your fellow asshole Turner. There are 330 million people in the US (and an additional 20+ million subhuman illegal alien subhumans). Were the Europeans supposed to turn around and go back to Europe when they discovered Indians and Eskimos lived here? Let the entire continent remain undeveloped so a few million savages who did not even have a written language, hadn't discovered the wheel or made metal tools could continue on their 35,000-year camping troop? What Americans did to the Indians has absolutely NOTHING to do with illegal alien wet backs infesting this country like vermin, taking away the rights of Americans and stealing tax-funded services. They all need to be rounded up, beaten if they resist, and deported. Feel free to join them, scumbag.
Please follow this conversation and explain what justifies your comment to me.
teddyr4me wrote:
Stop ciorcumventing our laws and end birthright citizenship...that's all we need to do.
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
If the US did that; neither you nor I would be a citizen
.
Where in the heck would citizens come from?
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text>
well
Population
5.2 million
As of the 2010 Census, the nation's population of American Indians and Alaska Natives, including those of more than one race. They made up 1.7 percent of the total population. Of this total, 2.9 million were American Indian and Alaska Native only, and 2.3 million were American Indian and Alaska Native in combination with one or more other races.
Rainbow Kid ask where would American citizens come from if we abolished birthright citizenship. I simply commented that there are American Indian people who would be citizens… I said nothing about Europeans leaving or any of sort.

As to immigration, I have not stated a position yea or nay. I was simply pointing out a couple of reasons why your government has not moved to change immigration laws or enforce current laws on the books.

You can scream and jump around and shout all you like, but it is your government that has to change the policies, your actions do not count. If you were to be able to appear before the senate or congress to debate this subject, with your current attitudes you display here, you would only make a fool out of yourself.

The huge corporations and a few very wealthy, some of whom are not citizens and others who do not even live in this country, are the plantation owners.

The Government along with the military and police force are the plantation overseers who pass and enforce the rules over the slaves in order to keep profit and production going.

That leaves you and I, the slaves in the system.

Immigration propaganda is just one of many subjects to keep people arguing about while the plantation carries on its business regardless of what you or I think…

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#36 Sep 13, 2013
Oldglory wrote:
<quoted text>
Only 3% of illegals are picking crops. The other 97% are doing jobs that Americans have always done. Even for crop picking there are unlimited visas for legal foriengers for those jobs. The growers are only pocketing the profits from cheap, illegal labor they aren't passing any savings on to we the taxpayer. They are also passing the social costs of their cheap, illegal labor on to we the taxpayer. We don't need illegals for anything!
I don’t think anyone really has a accurate figures on this subject..
I read a PBS article that stated as you did “Only 3% of illegals are picking crops”

But then here from the National Center of Farm Worker Health, they state:
It is estimated that there are over 3 million migrant and seasonal farmworkers in the United States

Legal Status: The 2007-2009 NAWS survey results indicate that 48% of farmworkers do not have legal authorization to work in the United States and only 33% are U.S. citizens.

Now according to the Pew Hispanic report, there is a little over 1 million undocumented children. I have no idea how many are elderly or disabled. Then there are families where the mother stays at home to care for the children. There are some just unemployed…
It would be interesting to know the total number of these people in order to get an accurate figure on just how many total workers there are.

Would it be safe to say 4 million non working? That would leave 6 million working…

So if there are 3 million farm workers and 48% are undocumented, then lets round that off to 1.5 million undocumented farm workers out of a total 6 million undocumented workers. that’s close to a 4th….. 25%

According to http://www.foodispower.org/slaughterhouse-wor...
U.S. slaughterhouses and “meat”-processing facilities employ over 500,000 workers
approximately 38% of slaughterhouse and “meat”-processing workers were born outside
of the U.S.
I don’t know how many are undocumented, I have not come across any pages with that info..

Seriously, I do not know any people that live around me who are unemployed that would be willing to work in the fields unless they could operate the equipment solely. I do know that when Ga passed its immigration bill that, some food was rottening in the field and other fields lay unplanted for lack of workers. As a temporary measure the state started offering prisoners 2 for one days to work in the fields to try to cover the shortage.
Perhaps this is just a problem in the southern states?

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#37 Sep 13, 2013
The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.
The Pew Hispanic Center estimated that some 425,000 illegal immigrants lived in Georgia when the legislation was passed – seventh highest in the nation. Those numbers are now down, as hoped for, but the state’s economy is paying a heavy price.

Despite high unemployment in the state, most Georgians don’t want such back-breaking jobs, nor do they have the necessary skills. According to Dick Minor, president of the Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Grower’s Association, immigrants “are pretty much professional harvesters” with many specializing in particular crops.
Workers are paid by volume, with skilled workers typically earning $15 to $20 an hour.  Unskilled workers earn much less, which is why most locals don’t want the jobs.

Georgia’s immigration law has had precisely the effect the economic studies could have predicted. Farmers are having a hard time finding workers with the right skills to harvest their crops.  As a result, Minor says,“A lot of the smaller growers have elected not to plant as many crops or to plant any crops.”  These reductions cascade through the state economy and everybody loses.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/...
Oldglory

Banning, CA

#38 Sep 14, 2013
You can spin all the numbers that you like but the fact remains that only 3% of illegals are picking crops. As for Georgia if they had crops rotting in the fields it was their own damned fault since as I already pointed out to you that there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal foreigner Ag workers. It is just that since there is illegal aliens available that work for less they use them instead to increase their profits.

I never said that most Americans are willing to do those kinds of jobs but there is still a legal avenue for the growers to have the workers that they need.

The fact also remains that the majority of illegals are doing jobs that Americans have always done for a fair wage. The fact that you use the PC word "undocumented" is a tell all of your position on this issue. That and you defense of growers needing illegal workers says it all.
topper most

Chicago, IL

#39 Sep 16, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
To end birthright citizenship, you are going to either have to get SCOTUS to rule that the 14th Amendment does not grant that, OR amend the U.S. Constitution.
It will take some effort and creative effort at that but that doesn't mean it can't be done. We should follow the lead of other nations and end the practice here.

SOME MODERN COUNTRIES THAT RECENTLY ENDED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP POLICY

Australia's birthright citizenship requirements are much more stringent than those of H.R. 1868 and took effect in 2007.
New Zealand repealed in 2006
Ireland repealed in 2005
France repealed in 1993
India repealed in 1987
United Kingdom repealed in 1983
Portugal repealed in 1981
Brenda besson

United States

#40 Sep 16, 2013
Oh time for the congress to tell you get the hell out lol
spud

Dallas, PA

#41 Sep 17, 2013
topper most wrote:
<quoted text>
It will take some effort and creative effort at that but that doesn't mean it can't be done. We should follow the lead of other nations and end the practice here.
SOME MODERN COUNTRIES THAT RECENTLY ENDED THEIR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP POLICY
Australia's birthright citizenship requirements are much more stringent than those of H.R. 1868 and took effect in 2007.
New Zealand repealed in 2006
Ireland repealed in 2005
France repealed in 1993
India repealed in 1987
United Kingdom repealed in 1983
Portugal repealed in 1981
Maybe we are aspiring to be the next banana republic. It's a shame how our can do attitude has been replaced by PC BS.

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