Court must ensure equal justice

Court must ensure equal justice

There are 15 comments on the Pacific Daily News story from Mar 28, 2014, titled Court must ensure equal justice. In it, Pacific Daily News reports that:

In 2003, I prepared for my consecration as a bishop by donning a bulletproof vest beneath my religious robes because of death threats from "good, religious people" who still believed that homosexual people are despicable in the eyes of God.

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Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#1 Mar 28, 2014
The one thing the bishop does not explain is why liberal Christians can practice their religion at all times but conservative Christians cannot, why liberals are allowed to follow their scripture guided conscience and conservatives Christians are not allowed to follow their scripture guided conference. BTW, I agree that the proposed AZ law was nonsense, while well intentioned. The fact is that almost all businesses in all states are allowed to refuse service to anyone. The shoeless and the shirtless could easily claim discrimination. Families could sue places where the owners think no children are allowed (as in 55+ housing developments and some apartment/condo complexes). It has been done for years. Business owners also know they are shooting themselves in the foot by setting too many limits. Government force and the godless courts are not always the answer (even tough TEC evidently think they have a better chance with the godless making their decisions than with the Bible making their decisions.) However, when we have godless courts making all the decisions in these matters, the rights of some of the religious will always be denied..
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#2 Mar 28, 2014
Personally, a conference set up in a booth with a priest that has papers for your itemized concerns and police reports is better allocated, to your zipcode and personal accountability,(immediate family) and house or apartment renters north south east and west of your personal residence, any harm to them and a lapse of your failure to report is murder or attempted murder of your own negligence report.

Learn YOUR PERSONAL accoutability and keep the rest of the observations for insert in Committee meetings in your zipcode sector of personal observations, and "follow up" on all your police reports and concerns, crooked cop alot on their agenda negligence timeline in follow up permitting a person fugative to escape and resume life and family in society; warrents your arrest and that officer you reported it to to begin with for the cirme as if you did so yourself.

Business allocations of equality. Did someone bite more then they can chew? A 4 plex apartment is a wonderful business venture of personal outlined accountability, your immediate family elderly, your immediate family discard juvenile, you mentally ill sibling or Veteran in medical retiement as renters, with a outreach pamphlet in hall accessible to each family member to make calls on each others behalf to set up most legal and reasonable appointments and services that DOES NOT ILLEGALLY disrupt any contracts they have already recieved funding or consult on; accoutns SSDB mortgage or ownership

Private prayer.. aka conservative Christian.. AHH the CHristian Sitters, aka soul retrievers from the workday, called and given private guidleines to prayer and pariable during family funding times Someone forgot they get 60% for time in worship to keep you safe and alive on the way home, holding the soles of your shoes or brush and stroking your hair reminence to keep you calm in business conference to detail or get your ideas marked and paid for. Church had to embessle others funds for their sins against non payment to city sitters. Not my problem.

55+ housing is governmentally funded for people 55 or older Families do not have liberty to sue, they rent open market or that that indicates family housing permit and funding tolerence. Most normal people seek housing in neeighborhood tolerence of the least altercations to those they care of and love, and if their is people on their lawful right property fining safest location in descreet while they fight in courts with their legal papers to expadite thsoe mortgaging on their land to be taken to another location by US MARSHAL and military orders. I don't know people that say HEY find a court related way to harm someones livlihood yes I stalked and compiled data to do a criminal act but you have to admit it was fun doing so or whatever aliby they attempt to concoct, aka aliby = purposeful intent to make a excuse to cover a crime they comitted willful admission of guilt no toelerence to life sentencing.

My church ordinence role is not MARTYR so I do nto play at all nor get paid

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#3 Mar 28, 2014
Listen to the Word wrote:
The fact is that almost all businesses in all states are allowed to refuse service to anyone.
No, they aren't. The Civil Rights Act protects people from discrimination based on race, ethnicity, gender, and religion, among other things. Some states also protect people based on sexual orientation.
George

Jacksonville, FL

#4 Mar 28, 2014
These are tough issues. with competing rights/concerns. Generally, if you provide services or goods to the public, you cannot discriminate against people who share characteristics of some protected class under civil rights laws. Why a gay couple would want a baker or photographer who object, on religious grounds, to making them a cake or taking photos of their "wedding" is beyond me. They are going to get poor service, stale cake, blurry pictures, etc. The law may make someone serve you -- it can't insure that the experince is going to be pleasant or that you will get your money's worth.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#5 Mar 28, 2014
George wrote:
These are tough issues. with competing rights/concerns. Generally, if you provide services or goods to the public, you cannot discriminate against people who share characteristics of some protected class under civil rights laws. Why a gay couple would want a baker or photographer who object, on religious grounds, to making them a cake or taking photos of their "wedding" is beyond me. They are going to get poor service, stale cake, blurry pictures, etc. The law may make someone serve you -- it can't insure that the experince is going to be pleasant or that you will get your money's worth.
In other case scenerios regardless who you are, NO DNA match to your name, fugative felon impersonating someone else name that wound up dead with your knowledge or not, can not put money or housing to a fugative at large, ever jst call police and watch until person is off property city and state.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#6 Mar 28, 2014
Listen to the Word wrote:
The one thing the bishop does not explain is why liberal Christians can practice their religion at all times but conservative Christians cannot, why liberals are allowed to follow their scripture guided conscience and conservatives Christians are not allowed to follow their scripture guided conference. BTW, I agree that the proposed AZ law was nonsense, while well intentioned. The fact is that almost all businesses in all states are allowed to refuse service to anyone.
BS. If a business turns me away, saying, "We won't serve you because you are black", there will be trouble.
Listen to the Word wrote:
The shoeless and the shirtless could easily claim discrimination. Families could sue places where the owners think no children are allowed (as in 55+ housing developments and some apartment/condo complexes).
People can sue anybody for anything.

Listen to the Word wrote:
It has been done for years. Business owners also know they are shooting themselves in the foot by setting too many limits. Government force and the godless courts are not always the answer (even tough TEC evidently think they have a better chance with the godless making their decisions than with the Bible making their decisions.) However, when we have godless courts making all the decisions in these matters, the rights of some of the religious will always be denied..
There is no god.
Keep your superstitions to yourselves.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#7 Mar 28, 2014
George wrote:
These are tough issues. with competing rights/concerns. Generally, if you provide services or goods to the public, you cannot discriminate against people who share characteristics of some protected class under civil rights laws. Why a gay couple would want a baker or photographer who object, on religious grounds, to making them a cake or taking photos of their "wedding" is beyond me. They are going to get poor service, stale cake, blurry pictures, etc. The law may make someone serve you -- it can't insure that the experince is going to be pleasant or that you will get your money's worth.
Personally, if I were to get married, and some fundies didn't want to sell me a cake because I'd be marrying someone of a different race, I'd take my $1,000 some place else. And tell them they could go fk themselves, like Satan fks Jesus up the @$$.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#8 Mar 28, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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BS. If a business turns me away, saying, "We won't serve you because you are black", there will be trouble.
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People can sue anybody for anything.
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There is no god.
Keep your superstitions to yourselves.
I disagree with your projected attitude.

If a person wants a civil suit they can file one yes... What kind of cases win a piece of gum on your childs shoe that links to disease and drugs by DNA link and a huge house sting arrest of a drug shop wins big.

Does all cases win, you knew not, and if you pick a case and are invalid or orchestrated others to back up your statment you pay court costs and go to prison booked that day.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#9 Mar 28, 2014
In 2011, in the town I grew up in in Michigan, my wife and I were DENIED SERVICE in a restaurant simply because we are gay. We signed the register, were stared at, and began to wait. And wait. And wait. After we left and found a NICE place for dinner, we went back to our hotel and I Yelp'ed the entire nasty experience. Apparently, this restaurant has a history of anti-gay behavior.

Sad, because their food USED to be good. Apparently not anymore.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#10 Mar 28, 2014
Pattysboi wrote:
In 2011, in the town I grew up in in Michigan, my wife and I were DENIED SERVICE in a restaurant simply because we are gay. We signed the register, were stared at, and began to wait. And wait. And wait. After we left and found a NICE place for dinner, we went back to our hotel and I Yelp'ed the entire nasty experience. Apparently, this restaurant has a history of anti-gay behavior.
Sad, because their food USED to be good. Apparently not anymore.
Look further, Resturaunt has funders of religious backing and it is agaisnt their funding sources religious belief system and guilt of service and affiliations. They could sue YOU for their housing and funding loss and deleted savings accounts for affiliations with you if they lose their seat or church status, by laws you are not aware exist.

Spend more time in LAW library under all clauses and have luch with bigger men and women all day long wihtout interrupting their court time and entries. Happy to smile or share the seat. Get a real man invite passed to you for lunch with a gift card to a local designers shop to by a outfit of his chosing which is tasteful for 10am -2pm dating hours.

Better then kid school house or bar or family reunion drunk and on drugs gossip circles installations and less abusive.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#11 Mar 30, 2014
"Sometimes, even for a bishop, it's embarrassing to be a Christian. Not that I'm embarrassed by Jesus, whose life was spent caring and advocating for the marginalized, and whom I believe to be the perfect revelation of God. I'm just sometimes embarrassed to be associated with others who claim to follow him.

The Jesus I follow always stood with the poor and powerless -- and trust me, this struggle is about about power ..."

For Bishop Robinson, everything is about power and being Gay, and the hypocrisy of his embarrassment at others claiming to follow Jesus for their own purposes knows no ends.

Jesus spent most of his life here on earth teaching and preaching the Word, but Robinson's gospel is a gay political agenda wrapped in a religious package.

And then Robinson has the gall to tell us to just trust him?
Harris

New York, NY

#12 Mar 30, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Personally, if I were to get married, and some fundies didn't want to sell me a cake because I'd be marrying someone of a different race, I'd take my $1,000 some place else.
And voila, problem solved!
Cordwainer Trout

Brownsville, KY

#13 Mar 30, 2014
Robinson is a liar in addition to being a sodomite, but they commonly go hand in hand. Drama queen liar about death threats. He has no evidence of death threats. If a person receives death threats, they have evidence of death threats. Robinson is a filthy liar and the Revelation of John, which he lies about reading, knowing and preaching, says liars will never see the Kingdom of God.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#14 Mar 30, 2014
For what it's worth, we took a trip out west last year. I'll let you follow the route, I 80 to I 25 to I 90 to I 15 so. to I 40 east To I81 home. If you know these routes, then you know they go through some pretty anti-gay, Anti-trans, places. Ohio, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah, Ariz., tex, Okla, Ark, etc.. I don't pass! I accept it! My profile picture was taken in Nebraska. Yet every motel, every resturant, every gas station cordially took my business. The Federal employees at the Custer Battlefield treated me with the same respect they showed anyone else. I'm not saying the Bad old days are completely gone, but things are much better today.
Regards, Terri
Pattysboi wrote:
In 2011, in the town I grew up in in Michigan, my wife and I were DENIED SERVICE in a restaurant simply because we are gay. We signed the register, were stared at, and began to wait. And wait. And wait. After we left and found a NICE place for dinner, we went back to our hotel and I Yelp'ed the entire nasty experience. Apparently, this restaurant has a history of anti-gay behavior.
Sad, because their food USED to be good. Apparently not anymore.

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Mar 30, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Robinson is a liar in addition to being a sodomite, but they commonly go hand in hand. Drama queen liar about death threats. He has no evidence of death threats. If a person receives death threats, they have evidence of death threats. Robinson is a filthy liar and the Revelation of John, which he lies about reading, knowing and preaching, says liars will never see the Kingdom of God.
There is no Kingdom of God.

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