Judge dismisses transgender student's suit

Nov 24, 2012 Full story: Wisconsin Gazette 15

A Maine judge has ruled in favor of the Orono school district and against the parents of a transgender child who was barred from using the girls' bathroom at school.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Nov 24, 2012
When did we, as a species, get so hung up on how we dispose of waste materials?

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

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#2 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
When did we, as a species, get so hung up on how we dispose of waste materials?
The school actually did what it would have done for any person with a protected status being harassed. I doubt this was because the young lady was transgender and more the school trying to do their best to work with all parties.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#3 Nov 24, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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The school actually did what it would have done for any person with a protected status being harassed. I doubt this was because the young lady was transgender and more the school trying to do their best to work with all parties.
So what is she suppose to do? Get more harassment in different setting? The school didn't care about protecting anyone, if they did they'd end the harassment instead of pandering to the freaks harassing someone.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#4 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So what is she suppose to do? Get more harassment in different setting? The school didn't care about protecting anyone, if they did they'd end the harassment instead of pandering to the freaks harassing someone.
Use a Unisex bathroom. You know the one they offered her. This is a commonly used method for children who are tormented weather for being different, or because of a medical or health condition that requires privacy.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Nov 24, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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Use a Unisex bathroom. You know the one they offered her. This is a commonly used method for children who are tormented weather for being different, or because of a medical or health condition that requires privacy.
So, to deal with bullying you reward the bullies. That's what you're saying, the bullies got their way and the victim was once again blamed for the bullying. So, if a cys gets bullied in the bathroom, you tell her to go to the other one too? I know, the little kid that gets pounded on the playground shouldn't have been on the playground, right?

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

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#6 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, to deal with bullying you reward the bullies. That's what you're saying, the bullies got their way and the victim was once again blamed for the bullying. So, if a cys gets bullied in the bathroom, you tell her to go to the other one too? I know, the little kid that gets pounded on the playground shouldn't have been on the playground, right?
And how would you stop it. Have a teacher with the child every time they enter the bathroom? Bullying doesn't always stop by punishing sometimes that makes it worse. The school did the best for the child that they knew how. It is not discrimination because its a common policy.

Am I sorry this girl was bullied yes. Am i tried of transsexuals suing for every little perceived slight yes. I am proud of this father he is doing what he believes is right by his child. That is wonderful and rare in our world. However Transsexuals as a hole have to get a thicker skin or this world is going to eat us alive. The fact is the school did nothing to discriminate. The lawsuit was dismissed as it should have been. She wasn't removed from the restroom because she was transsexual. She was moved from the restroom because she was bullied and the school was in their best intentions trying to guarantee the child's safety. That is far more important.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#7 Nov 25, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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And how would you stop it. Have a teacher with the child every time they enter the bathroom? Bullying doesn't always stop by punishing sometimes that makes it worse. The school did the best for the child that they knew how. It is not discrimination because its a common policy.
Am I sorry this girl was bullied yes. Am i tried of transsexuals suing for every little perceived slight yes. I am proud of this father he is doing what he believes is right by his child. That is wonderful and rare in our world. However Transsexuals as a hole have to get a thicker skin or this world is going to eat us alive. The fact is the school did nothing to discriminate. The lawsuit was dismissed as it should have been. She wasn't removed from the restroom because she was transsexual. She was moved from the restroom because she was bullied and the school was in their best intentions trying to guarantee the child's safety. That is far more important.
Reprimand the bullies, like they should be, expel the bullies if need be. Unless you think it's also a rape victim's fault for being raped. The real people don't blame the victims.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#8 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Reprimand the bullies, like they should be, expel the bullies if need be. Unless you think it's also a rape victim's fault for being raped. The real people don't blame the victims.
When Did I say it was her fault that she was bullied? Or how have I expressed blame on her? All I have said was that the school acted appropriately. But let me go over this again. Yes the bullies should be punished. But then the Bullies or their friends if they are expelled will target this girl, Then they get in trouble or expelled and so on and so forth until they are all expelled and denied an education.

All I Said was that the schools reaction was appropriate. As is done with other people who are in danger of having violence inflicted on them, or being bullied for being different this girl was instructed to use an unisex bathroom.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#9 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Reprimand the bullies, like they should be, expel the bullies if need be. Unless you think it's also a rape victim's fault for being raped. The real people don't blame the victims.
I guess those who are anti transexual have one thing right. You express a view that is different than the mainstream view of our group and you are accused of horrible things. So I guess your right my view means I must condone rape and blame the victim because Instead of jumping the gun when I see someone claiming to be discriminated against I Take a breath look over the whole situation and think about it logically.

I am sorry for this. I guess this is the wrong way to go about it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10 Nov 25, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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When Did I say it was her fault that she was bullied? Or how have I expressed blame on her? All I have said was that the school acted appropriately. But let me go over this again. Yes the bullies should be punished. But then the Bullies or their friends if they are expelled will target this girl, Then they get in trouble or expelled and so on and so forth until they are all expelled and denied an education.
All I Said was that the schools reaction was appropriate. As is done with other people who are in danger of having violence inflicted on them, or being bullied for being different this girl was instructed to use an unisex bathroom.
You are saying it is by forcing her to change instead of reprimanding the bullies. You are placing the blame on her, like she put herself in that position. If they are expelled it would force the parents' of these bullies to actually realize that their behavior is not tolerated in society anymore. If you don't, then the bullies will continue to behave as such and be more bold because they think they can get away with it. They will know that the victim will be blamed just for being different.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#11 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are saying it is by forcing her to change instead of reprimanding the bullies. You are placing the blame on her, like she put herself in that position. If they are expelled it would force the parents' of these bullies to actually realize that their behavior is not tolerated in society anymore. If you don't, then the bullies will continue to behave as such and be more bold because they think they can get away with it. They will know that the victim will be blamed just for being different.
Fine then I'm blaming her. Obviously i'm blaming her because im not saying the bullies should have been expelled. I am a horrible human being. Thank you for putting the words in my mouth that I never thought or said.

Again im not talking about the Bullies here. As I read the story here is the timeline that is implied. The girl decided to transition. The school was supportive and allowed her to use the girls room. She was constantly bullied, Probably even after the bullies were reprimanded. The school tried to sit down and figure out the best way to provide an education safely to this child and others. They decided on having her use the Unisex bathroom. They did this because they wouldn't be forcing her back into the boys bathroom (probably placing her in danger as well as invalidating her as a girl) And they wouldn't be putting her in danger by having her use the woman's restroom where historically she had been bullied. The best option for all was obviously the unisex bathroom. Also this allowed the bullies to continue their education (which they really need in this world) So All in all they have a fairly sound plan which follows the plan of action that they use for other children in this sort of situation (I Know this because Ive seen it happen) All in all they have done their best (lacking the full range of transsexual knowledge that we have, but i guess we should expect every one to be experts on transsexuals and how to deal with us). But they didnt do exactly what we think they should have (Regaurdless of their actions or intentions) So we should sue them.

Yup I definately see how my line of thought implies that I blame the child, and also condone rapists because I Obviously as you have implied believe that women who are raped are at fault. All this of course being implied by my line of thoughts, not my actions or intents.

Well it seems you know me a whole lot better than myself. Someone who has worked hard in the transgender community to prevent suicide, Someone who has worked hard with her school to help them become trans inclusive. Someone who is going into a profession where such implied beliefs would be harmful to her career or ability to do her job. Yup you must be right because you imply it from something without knowing the full extent of my past or my thought process. Good for you all knowing one.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#12 Nov 25, 2012
Roisia wrote:
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Fine then I'm blaming her. Obviously i'm blaming her because im not saying the bullies should have been expelled. I am a horrible human being. Thank you for putting the words in my mouth that I never thought or said.
Again im not talking about the Bullies here. As I read the story here is the timeline that is implied. The girl decided to transition. The school was supportive and allowed her to use the girls room. She was constantly bullied, Probably even after the bullies were reprimanded. The school tried to sit down and figure out the best way to provide an education safely to this child and others. They decided on having her use the Unisex bathroom. They did this because they wouldn't be forcing her back into the boys bathroom (probably placing her in danger as well as invalidating her as a girl) And they wouldn't be putting her in danger by having her use the woman's restroom where historically she had been bullied. The best option for all was obviously the unisex bathroom. Also this allowed the bullies to continue their education (which they really need in this world) So All in all they have a fairly sound plan which follows the plan of action that they use for other children in this sort of situation (I Know this because Ive seen it happen) All in all they have done their best (lacking the full range of transsexual knowledge that we have, but i guess we should expect every one to be experts on transsexuals and how to deal with us). But they didnt do exactly what we think they should have (Regaurdless of their actions or intentions) So we should sue them.
Yup I definately see how my line of thought implies that I blame the child, and also condone rapists because I Obviously as you have implied believe that women who are raped are at fault. All this of course being implied by my line of thoughts, not my actions or intents.
Well it seems you know me a whole lot better than myself. Someone who has worked hard in the transgender community to prevent suicide, Someone who has worked hard with her school to help them become trans inclusive. Someone who is going into a profession where such implied beliefs would be harmful to her career or ability to do her job. Yup you must be right because you imply it from something without knowing the full extent of my past or my thought process. Good for you all knowing one.
No, I cannot see your line of thought as valid. Bullies must be dealt with, and the trend must end now. Any inch you give them is another excuse to be bullies. That is what you're failing to understand. I dealt with bullies as a child, for liking machines instead of dolls, for liking fishing instead of tea parties, I dealt with them my way, which was to beat the living snot out of them. I do not condone such behavior because it's becoming the bully in place of the bully, and no child should be forced into such a situation, none. The parents' are at fault here, and the message needs to hit them, not the kids, who do you think expulsion really harms? Not the kids, it effects the parents, and that is who needs to pay for this.

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

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#13 Nov 25, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, I cannot see your line of thought as valid. Bullies must be dealt with, and the trend must end now. Any inch you give them is another excuse to be bullies. That is what you're failing to understand. I dealt with bullies as a child, for liking machines instead of dolls, for liking fishing instead of tea parties, I dealt with them my way, which was to beat the living snot out of them. I do not condone such behavior because it's becoming the bully in place of the bully, and no child should be forced into such a situation, none. The parents' are at fault here, and the message needs to hit them, not the kids, who do you think expulsion really harms? Not the kids, it effects the parents, and that is who needs to pay for this.
Well then we will have to disagree and I will have to accept that I'm a person who only blames the victims and Loves rapists. Because I will never agree with punishing people whose hearts where in the right place.

Are there any other insults you would like to through at someone like me while you can?

And if you really read what I was saying Other than saying the bullies should be punished I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about how the school handled it. Their intentions.

But like you said earlier because I Dont agree with your line of thought. And you seem to think I believe that the bullies should get off scott free. Everything you say must be true.

“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#14 Nov 25, 2012
From my point of view, you both are correct. Yes, bulling should be delt with much more thoroughly, and harshly, all the way around, not just on this subject. There are way too many slaps on the wrist, and blind eyes turned these days. But on the other hand, I believe it is a good solution to provide the student with a neutral restroom to use. Being trans is hard enough at any age, but as a child? I believe removing the stress of restroom usage altogether for the child will prove to be of long term benefit. That's a battle best saved for when their education isn't going to suffer from it.
Anna

United States

#15 Nov 27, 2012

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