How should bicyclists deal with haras...

How should bicyclists deal with harassers?

There are 67 comments on the LongmontFYI story from Dec 2, 2013, titled How should bicyclists deal with harassers?. In it, LongmontFYI reports that:

Bicyclists face numerous dangers as they struggle to share already congested roads with drivers.

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Mike

Seattle, WA

#44 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>Mike, ignorance of the law could get you in big trouble legally. Cars do NOT own the road in Missouri. State law dictates that motorists MUST share the road. Period.

What you pay in taxes, etc., makes not a bit of difference. You don't pay out as much in fees as a commercial trucker ... but that doesn't mean that truck driver has more legal right to the road than you do, or more protection under the law.

Better study up a little bit, don't you think? So much for "lame arguments," friend. It's everyone's job to use the roads sanely and with common sense, as well as courtesy.
Oh, i almost forgot.
You stated " motorists must share the road equally" thats correct. Where is the motor on a bicycle? A cyclist isnt considered a motorist rendering your entire argument invalid.
Mike

Seattle, WA

#45 Dec 5, 2013
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text>is that what you wrote on your drivers written test? How did you pass, did you blow somebody?
No my test was multiple choice. Your moms was too. She just blew the guy out of habit.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#46 Dec 5, 2013
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> where Ilive the cops are always there when you don't need them and never there when you do. If you call writing down something on a piece of paper "taken seriously", you must be a boot licker and congratulations on wasting your time.
Well, as you say, that's how it is where you live.

The rest of your comment was unnecessary and ignorant since it's based on a false assumption related to your own limited experience.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#47 Dec 5, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Youre talking legal matters im talking reality. Go ahead and tell me all about the law when you "demand" your equal rights and end up a hood ornament on a Hummer.
Btw, i am a truck driver with over 2 million accident free miles. Dont talk to me about driving or roads.
You're not talking "reality". Because the reality is that if a bicyclist is front of you on the road, you're not going to hit him or her deliberately, just so that you can pound your chest and scream, "I'm King of the Road" ... and then spend years of time locked up in jail. If you would deliberately do such a thing, then you're an idiotic psychopath who doesn't have any business behind the wheel in the first place.

The reality is that you're going to slow down and honk your horn if the bicyclist is unaware of your presence, and that same bicyclist is going to pull over as far as they can and get out of your way as quickly as possible. And in all likelihood, the bicyclist is already going to have heard you coming, and will already have moved over.

Same principle applies to pedestrians who walk or jog along the bicycle trails. No bicyclist in their right mind is going to deliberately injure a pedestrian just to prove a point.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#48 Dec 5, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, i almost forgot.
You stated " motorists must share the road equally" thats correct. Where is the motor on a bicycle? A cyclist isnt considered a motorist rendering your entire argument invalid.
You're not very bright, are you? I was quoting directly from the law, as written.

The law doesn't say that motorist must share the road *only with other motorists* or *only with each other*.

You're just aching for an argument, Mike, but you're ill-equipped for this one. A smarter man would let this one go.
Mike

Seattle, WA

#49 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>You're not talking "reality". Because the reality is that if a bicyclist is front of you on the road, you're not going to hit him or her deliberately, just so that you can pound your chest and scream, "I'm King of the Road" ... and then spend years of time locked up in jail. If you would deliberately do such a thing, then you're an idiotic psychopath who doesn't have any business behind the wheel in the first place.

The reality is that you're going to slow down and honk your horn if the bicyclist is unaware of your presence, and that same bicyclist is going to pull over as far as they can and get out of your way as quickly as possible. And in all likelihood, the bicyclist is already going to have heard you coming, and will already have moved over.

Same principle applies to pedestrians who walk or jog along the bicycle trails. No bicyclist in their right mind is going to deliberately injure a pedestrian just to prove a point.
If you can step down from your throne ling enough to read my initial post i stated that i am always courteous to cyclists and watch out for them. The entire point im making is that cyclists are operating in an unfriendly environment. I have ridden motorcycles all my life so i know how it is out there.
Cycles are hard to see sometimes. Drivers are distracted sometimes.
Cyclists are responsible for their own safety and should never assume they have the right of way or even that drivers see them. It does no good to beat your chest and proclaim your right to share the road if you are paralyzed.
The best advice i have for anyone who rides public roads on a bike or bicycle is, Ride like you're invisible.
Mike

Seattle, WA

#50 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>You're not very bright, are you? I was quoting directly from the law, as written.

The law doesn't say that motorist must share the road *only with other motorists* or *only with each other*.

You're just aching for an argument, Mike, but you're ill-equipped for this one. A smarter man would let this one go.
No im not wanting an argument and im sure im plenty smart enough to state my case. You would be smarter if you would stop talking and pay attention.
Mike

Seattle, WA

#51 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>You're not very bright, are you? I was quoting directly from the law, as written.

The law doesn't say that motorist must share the road *only with other motorists* or *only with each other*.

You're just aching for an argument, Mike, but you're ill-equipped for this one. A smarter man would let this one go.
You must be a liberal. When someone disagrees with you you resort to insults.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#52 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
The reality is that bicyclist is going to pull over as far as they can and get out of your way as quickly as possible.
Speaking of an "ignorant comment based on a false assumption"...

I've encountered more than I'd like to mention that are well aware that there's traffic behind them, yet stay riding in the middle of the road to make a point. These are the same pompous jackasses that flip you the bird as you're driving by if you dare honk your horn at them.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#53 Dec 5, 2013
Umninimuzi wrote:
As a motorist, scooterist and pedestrian, I wonder why cyclists in my city do not stop at red lights. On numerous occasions I have almost been knocked off my feet by a cyclist speeding through a red light or across a four-way stop. Are they somehow above the traffic laws?
If cyclists show respect for pedestrians maybe motorists will show more respect for them.
An alert cyclist will have to run through signals occasionally to keep from being rear-ended by a beer-can hillbilly or a soccer-mom chariot that can't stop in time
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#54 Dec 5, 2013
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of an "ignorant comment based on a false assumption"...
I've encountered more than I'd like to mention that are well aware that there's traffic behind them, yet stay riding in the middle of the road to make a point. These are the same pompous jackasses that flip you the bird as you're driving by if you dare honk your horn at them.
The old politicians who make the laws haven't ridden a bicycle since Mules and Model T's ruled the road; so they don't know about the speed differential; visibility; and other various hazards
.
For instance:
.
We were taught to take the driver's side of the lane so drivers will yield to our position in traffic like they yield to a car
.
Otherwise; drivers tend to run us off the road
.
So stupid politicians making rules about things they know nothing about present the mis-perceived arrogance from bicyclists who are just following the stupid rules
.
So the best rule of thumb is to 'Share the Road; Save a Life' because the bicycle you hit may be your son's or daughter's

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#55 Dec 5, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
An arrogant cyclist will blatantly run through signals occasionally because they're too lazy to come to a complete stop, and think traffic laws don't apply to them.
There, had to adjust that for you.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#56 Dec 5, 2013
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
You must be a liberal. When someone disagrees with you you resort to insults.
You mean like in post #45, in which you told another poster that their Mom blows out of habit?

By your own twisted and deluded definition, YOU must be a liberal.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#57 Dec 5, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
The old politicians who make the laws haven't ridden a bicycle since Mules and Model T's ruled the road; so they don't know about the speed differential; visibility; and other various hazards
.
For instance:
.
We were taught to take the driver's side of the lane so drivers will yield to our position in traffic like they yield to a car
.
Otherwise; drivers tend to run us off the road
.
So stupid politicians making rules about things they know nothing about present the mis-perceived arrogance from bicyclists who are just following the stupid rules
.
So the best rule of thumb is to 'Share the Road; Save a Life' because the bicycle you hit may be your son's or daughter's
I think I speak for everybody when I say, what the hell are you talking about?!

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#58 Dec 5, 2013
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of an "ignorant comment based on a false assumption"...
I've encountered more than I'd like to mention that are well aware that there's traffic behind them, yet stay riding in the middle of the road to make a point. These are the same pompous jackasses that flip you the bird as you're driving by if you dare honk your horn at them.
Oh, well, if you've encountered "more than you'd like to mention", that must make them the rule rather than the exception, correct? I mean, we could be talking about a number as great as 2, or maybe even 25, jeez, maybe even as many as a hundred, out of thousands upon thousands of bicyclists.

So yes, speaking of ignorant comments based on false assumptions, I believe you're attempting to make some kind of point?

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#59 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean like in post #45, in which you told another poster that their Mom blows out of habit?
By your own twisted and deluded definition, YOU must be a liberal.
He was just responding to one of your fellow trash talking liberals by fighting fire with fire, as vulgarities seem to be the only language you libs understand.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#60 Dec 5, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
An alert cyclist will have to run through signals occasionally to keep from being rear-ended by a beer-can hillbilly or a soccer-mom chariot that can't stop in time
That should be the rare exception to the rule, though, don't you agree? I've had to swerve off to the far right or left, but I've never actually had to run a stop sign or a light.

I'm always very careful to use universal hand signals so that traffic behind me will be alerted in advance, and so far, that's worked out very well.
Mike

Seattle, WA

#61 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>You mean like in post #45, in which you told another poster that their Mom blows out of habit?

By your own twisted and deluded definition, YOU must be a liberal.
My comment wasnt in response to his position, it was in response to a personal attack on me. I felt my response was on a level he was accustomed to and could understand. And once again you resort to name calling and insults.
Nice try though.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#62 Dec 5, 2013
Otter in the Ozarks wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, well, if you've encountered "more than you'd like to mention", that must make them the rule rather than the exception, correct? I mean, we could be talking about a number as great as 2, or maybe even 25, jeez, maybe even as many as a hundred, out of thousands upon thousands of bicyclists.
So yes, speaking of ignorant comments based on false assumptions, I believe you're attempting to make some kind of point?
Couldn't come up with an intelligent retort, so you posted this?? Yup, Mike was right. You're a liberal all right.

“Common courtesy, isn't”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#63 Dec 5, 2013
Sneaky Pete wrote:
<quoted text>He was just responding to one of your fellow trash talking liberals by fighting fire with fire, as vulgarities seem to be the only language you libs understand.
Says the poster who, in his first post to the topic, referred to "A-holes".

My, my, vulgarities seem to be the only language you conservatives speak.

Okay, it's your turn.

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