Florida conservatives fight transgender restroom rule

Full story: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

A blond girl heads from a playground into a women's restroom. A scruffy man, lurking outside, darts in behind her.

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“Bullish on Equal Rights”

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Rikki S wrote:
No wonder why trannies are so confused, they are so drugged up and mentally confused. I think they need to be locked up and quarantined.
Oh, Nicky! Are you back in the rubber room? It's the only time you have time to get on a computer, of course. You do know that it is against TOPIX rules to post using someone else's screen name.

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AKs wrote:
this is so confusing.
On one side you have people showing that similar legislation has never caused a problem in 33 years.

On the other, people jumping up and down, screaming hysterically that it's all a plot to cause children to be molested.

On one side you have facts, figures, and multiple legal opinions and precedents. Testimony from people who live in jurisdictions with similar legislation.

On the other side, hysteria, misdirection, and a single legal opinion from the "Thomas Moore Law Centre" which always tries to get human rights for TS people removed. They usually say it's for religious reasons unless that won't play. Then any excuse will do.

Just to make sure that that's an accurate summary, please have a look through the last 100 posts or so. Or the whole lot, if you have time. Then make up your own mind. I'm not here to tell you what to think, just present the evidence.
danceswithweeble s

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Jan 21, 2009
 
Dasein9 wrote:
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Depends on whether anyone else can tell...
uuuuuuuuuuuuh, what?
danceswithweeble s

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#893
Jan 21, 2009
 
tinkerbell wrote:
GLBT mafia!
you keep using this term... i, personally, can't picture it. i mean what do they tell you before they 'rub you out'?'you dirty rat... you killed my hamster. i'm gonna blow your brains out.
danceswithweeble s

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Jan 21, 2009
 
AKs wrote:
this is so confusing.
tell me about it.
danceswithweeble s

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Jan 21, 2009
 
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I think the same thing about you...and you have an agenda so why would normal people believe the slop you post? I am simply posting crime reports in papers but how about you talk to REAL women who know how dangerous a world it is and ask them what they think of any man being able to just stroll in a ladies room unquestioned? what reasonable person can actually think this is a good idea? You want us to read a bunch of specially selected GLBT approved propaganda and flawed research and then that should allow us to do the mental contortions neccesary to think somehow it is a good idea to let any man use the ladies room?? I guess you need to stop thinking of your own sex issues for 3 seconds to see how incredibly selfish this is. But like it or not there is another side to this that you just don't want to address. The fact that a chief doctor at Johns Hopkins thinks we should stop doing these radical operations on people with perfectly normal genitalia and treat their minds. He cited a man you wanted to be amputated because he got a sexual thrill from seeing amputees ...how far is this to go?? Now I feel sorry for you and I have sympathy for people who are born with genital defectives but to enact this ordinance the way it is drafted will put people's saftey at risk. Use the bathroom that won't raise the most questions.
ooh, ooh... i've got an agenda. it's black leather and right on the front in big gold coloured letters it says,'2009'. my wife gave it to me at the beginning of the year. she gave our daughter one that has a picture of barbie on it, but figured i'd like the black one better.
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I say this as a parent but if a man comes in the ladies room or you see a man in the ladies room just get the hell out of there. You may not have time to figure out if you should or should not be politically correct
I've seen a man in the women's room. BFD.

“Just call me Das. ”

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Zoe Brain wrote:
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On one side you have people showing that similar legislation has never caused a problem in 33 years.
On the other, people jumping up and down, screaming hysterically that it's all a plot to cause children to be molested.
On one side you have facts, figures, and multiple legal opinions and precedents. Testimony from people who live in jurisdictions with similar legislation.
On the other side, hysteria, misdirection, and a single legal opinion from the "Thomas Moore Law Centre" which always tries to get human rights for TS people removed. They usually say it's for religious reasons unless that won't play. Then any excuse will do.
Just to make sure that that's an accurate summary, please have a look through the last 100 posts or so. Or the whole lot, if you have time. Then make up your own mind. I'm not here to tell you what to think, just present the evidence.
Don't forget the accusations of not caring about women's safety.
tinkerbell

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Rose wrote:
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I've seen a man in the women's room. BFD.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11004426.html

Ok..enough of this thread. I am going to donate to the cause of stopping men from going in the ladies rooms unquestioned along with plenty of my friends. maybe we can stop this insanity.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

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tinkerbell wrote:
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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11004426.html
Ok..enough of this thread. I am going to donate to the cause of stopping men from going in the ladies rooms unquestioned along with plenty of my friends. maybe we can stop this insanity.
Please answer my question of what constitutes a "man" and what constitutes a "woman"? You will need this definition to pass a law. As it stands right now, there is NO legal definition of "man" or "woman". Don't believe me?? Then show me the law. The words "man" and "woman" are used freely in legal jargon, but have never been defined!
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If someone is so uncomfortable with their birth sexual assignment that they have themselves surgically altered, then they should use the restroom that would appropriate for their appearance. After all, they're only going to the bathroom. It isn't a social event.

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Tom Fort Lauderdale wrote:
If someone is so uncomfortable with their birth sexual assignment that they have themselves surgically altered, then they should use the restroom that would appropriate for their appearance. After all, they're only going to the bathroom. It isn't a social event.
Amen!

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Jan 22, 2009
 
tinkerbell wrote:
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http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-11004426.html
Ok..enough of this thread.
Halla-freaking-luya!

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Tom Fort Lauderdale wrote:
If someone is so uncomfortable with their birth sexual assignment that they have themselves surgically altered, then they should use the restroom that would appropriate for their appearance. After all, they're only going to the bathroom. It isn't a social event.
You get it. It really is that simple, isn't it.

There's still the problem for those "in transition", where they are required by medical authorities to live in the target gender role, including using the right rest rooms, for a year before surgery is authorised, but apart from these transitional arrangements, yes, it is that simple. And people in this situation have evidence from medics showing their status, it's not just something you can claim without showing proof.

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Wow... such an incredible amount of bullshit about women who simply want to go take a dump....

Simply amazing.

“I Support Equality”

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Rikki S wrote:
As you can see from my ISP, I live in Colorado. The STATE, not just a city, passed similar legislation last year. So far, despite the "sky is falling" fears of the Focus on the Family" and other groups, not one single incident of "man in the restroom" has been reported. You and the other "Chicken Littles" can run in circles, yell and scream all you want, but the facts are the facts and what you are worried about has not been an issue ANYWHERE!
The same in Oregon where we have a very similar law. No problems have occured.
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The proponents of banning transgender rights obviously do not understand that we are not men, we do not consider ourselves men. We had the misfortune of being born in the wrong sex.
I have been interacting with many transgendered and many have a history of being molested and raped by men. My therapist tells me to fear men. I try not to use public bathrooms because of the mania of transphobic fear. Why should I put myself at risk for a conservatives biased misconceptions? I believe in nurturing children and protecting them. But I do not want to be threatened or raped by having to go to the men's room. God knows my heart and I place my judgment in his hands not that of my follow man. I live as a woman and do not wish to go in a men's room does any other woman?

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Im in florida and I am a Female-to-Male transexual, when ever I go out I try to refrain from using the Womans restroom but when the need arises I use the men's room because i pass 95% of the time. What the conservatives and religious bible thumpers are doing is wrong on so many levels. I am a Man, I do not consider myself a woman nor have I ever or ever will. I agree in keeping thoes who do not belong in the opposite sex's restroom out BUT there is a VERY THICK line between a man walking into a woman's restroom out of pure spite or criminal behavior and a transgender woman walking into the womans restroom to do her buisness. I may be only 18 but I see the world around me far better than alot of the people I know and their hate and dislike for people who are different in their eyes is sickening.

If the binary works for YOU, by all means work it!But dont DAMN me for walking a different path. I beleive black and white is for news papers NOT for people. We are all different shades of the rainbow. We are bodies, minds, and souls, NOT Caricatures. You all cling to the illusion of the binary; the only thing you have ever known. Your "truths" only serve to keep us in bondage. I intend to contradic your absolutes everyday that I breath. You cannot and will not abort my vision for myself and for humanity. I used to ask myself "Will they ever be happy with who i am?" Now i ask this "Will they ever be happy with what THEY are and let the rest of us live in peace?"

My name is Kristopher M. Williams and I am a Female-to-Male transexual fighting to lvie my life as I see fit. The ultimate power lies within each one of us. We are the stewards of our own destinies.

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Jan 24, 2009
 
Rikki S wrote:
The fact is, that trannies are forcing themselves upon women and are robbing biological women of their rights because some trannie from the Jerry Springer show wants to make biological women look inferior. The fact is, that Trannies want to make women feel confused and force our lifestyle and fetish down people's faces.
You're not Rikki, troll.

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Annaleigh wrote:
The fact is, that trannies want to rob women born women of their rights and to their womanhood. They want to force their way into women's only space and make females at birth look like their inferior.
And you're not Annaleigh either, moron. Sooner or later Topix is going to can your sorry arse.

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