Why is faith falling in the US?

Why is faith falling in the US?

There are 277 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 21, 2012, titled Why is faith falling in the US?. In it, Newsday reports that:

A new poll suggests that atheism is on the rise in the US, while those who consider themselves religious has dropped ...

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Newsday.

First Prev
of 14
Next Last

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#285 Sep 21, 2012
idgaf wrote:
You feel that God will make contact with you around people. I feel that I do not need people to see God. We are talking about similar things. I wish not to convert you as I don't rightly care what you believe in as you are an individual soul. My comments are not geared to convincing you or converting you. I personally don't care what your religion is or what your beliefs are. My point was to inject "why faith is failing". Take it as you will. I honestly don't care if you believe or do not.
Being good godly people,with open minds, my thoughts are that you would take a second look and say, "wait a minute, maybe we are outdated and behind the curve ...". For all I know, you all have an online flock of magnitudes, but from the sounds of it, you don't. So, take what I say and do as you wish. I am surprised at how defensive people get when asking questions and not expecting to get feedback contrary to their personal beliefs.
Look for God anywhere and you will see Him if you truly believe that He is there. Pretend to see him and you will see nothing.
Ever looked at "anchorites"?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#286 Sep 21, 2012
Or "poustiniki" ?
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#287 Sep 21, 2012
Can't say I have. Looked 'em up when you mentioned.

My thoughts are that simplicity is what will gain you that spiritual freedom many want.

Many pretend or become parts of groups thinking that this will purify them and prepare them for what is to come. Reality says that we do not understand what is out there or what is to come. Preparing oneself for what one does not know or understand is about as good as not preparing ones self at all.

Be the best person that you can be. Be happy and thankful to be alive. If that is not good enough for when your time comes, nothing you could have done would have been good enough.

Only my simple thoughts. Nothing deep, nothing special. Common sense.

If everything is as people may claim from a religious pov, you were born with the knowledge and you will know what to do.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#288 Sep 22, 2012
idgaf wrote:
Can't say I have. Looked 'em up when you mentioned.
My thoughts are that simplicity is what will gain you that spiritual freedom many want.
Many pretend or become parts of groups thinking that this will purify them and prepare them for what is to come. Reality says that we do not understand what is out there or what is to come. Preparing oneself for what one does not know or understand is about as good as not preparing ones self at all.
Be the best person that you can be. Be happy and thankful to be alive. If that is not good enough for when your time comes, nothing you could have done would have been good enough.
Only my simple thoughts. Nothing deep, nothing special. Common sense.
If everything is as people may claim from a religious pov, you were born with the knowledge and you will know what to do.
We have a lot of points of apparent agreement.

Are you also aware of "cenobites" ?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#289 Sep 22, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
As a sidebar: Did you know that in Koine somewhat, and in Hebrew Aramaic definitely, that in this usage, "living stones" is a play on words? A "living" stone is one that has not been shaped or squared.
In pre-temple times, an offering to the Father was made on an altar of "living stones", that is stones collected and fitted together without shaping or mortar. To do so requires careful appreciation for the uniquenesses of each stone, and precise placement in order to form a strong structure. One of the benefits of such altars is that the inevitable small gaps between the stone, however well placed, allowed for the movement of the breeze to feed the fire from within, making for a very hot, fast and efficient fire.
The author of 1 Peter was describing building a "place" of worship composed of individuals, each with their own unaltered shapes, strengths and imperfections, with the gaps providing the space for the wind of the spirit.
Just thought you might find that interesting.
Fascinating!

No square cookie cutter stones, yet they all fit together.

Sounds just like us!!

Thank you and feel free to educate me anytime. The more I know the more I realize how little I know.

I'm sure you get that.......

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#290 Sep 22, 2012
idgaf wrote:
You feel that God will make contact with you around people. I feel that I do not need people to see God. We are talking about similar things. I wish not to convert you as I don't rightly care what you believe in as you are an individual soul. My comments are not geared to convincing you or converting you. I personally don't care what your religion is or what your beliefs are. My point was to inject "why faith is failing". Take it as you will. I honestly don't care if you believe or do not.
Being good godly people,with open minds, my thoughts are that you would take a second look and say, "wait a minute, maybe we are outdated and behind the curve ...". For all I know, you all have an online flock of magnitudes, but from the sounds of it, you don't. So, take what I say and do as you wish. I am surprised at how defensive people get when asking questions and not expecting to get feedback contrary to their personal beliefs.
Look for God anywhere and you will see Him if you truly believe that He is there. Pretend to see him and you will see nothing.
I see God everywhere.

God is also in people.

Use whatever you find helpful to lead you to the two greatest commandments..........

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#291 Sep 22, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Fascinating!
No square cookie cutter stones, yet they all fit together.
Sounds just like us!!
Thank you and feel free to educate me anytime. The more I know the more I realize how little I know.
I'm sure you get that.......
The job of the community "overseer" (bishop) and his staff of presbyters (priests) and their staffs of deacons (social workers) is to find the perfect place for every stone provided by the Father, and to guide them all in individual growth and mutual support. They do this by leading rather than "administration". They really are "the best servants", jacks of all trades and masters of one or two, cultivating the skills and abilities of the individuals and the community as a whole. If the community is well-built, a "mighty tree" is grown and "the birds (special gifts) come to nest in it's branches".
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#292 Sep 22, 2012
Your unshaped stones are these individual personalities and different ways of thinking. In my mine, your stones are metaphorical representations of the community that is made up of many disparate thoughts and thinkers. This is what makes us special. Humans. Imagine how boring and colorless we'd be if we all thought the same.

Look inside of you and you will find God. Peace out.
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#293 Sep 22, 2012
Just an after thought. Think of the people to whom God appeared. He typically appeared to certain people individually. Everyone has a special place where their spirituak energy is the strongest. Maybe your job is to find that place. If it's alone, then there is your equillibrium. If it is in groups so be it.

Don't get lost looking, you already know ...
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#295 Sep 22, 2012
Yup, we are all different. Some need people, other need solace and others are somewhere in between.

Funny how you can divide people up into these 3 groups.

Think about the place where your mind is most at peace and most free to do as it wishes? Where is it?

For me, it is while I sleep. There are no boundaries there. Nothing is impossible to do or feel. Be interesting to control it somehow or understand how it wanders so much.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#296 Sep 23, 2012
idgaf wrote:
Just an after thought. Think of the people to whom God appeared. He typically appeared to certain people individually. Everyone has a special place where their spirituak energy is the strongest. Maybe your job is to find that place. If it's alone, then there is your equillibrium. If it is in groups so be it.
Don't get lost looking, you already know ...
Anchorites, even today, first practice cenobitism as part of their formation then, when ready, move on to eremitism. Even when eremitic, they continue to meet with others; some once per day, others once per week. Regardless, they have a spiritual director who keeps an eye on their inner economy to prevent self-delusion, profitless avenues and, well, going crazy. lol

Western examples of these are the Carthusians and Camldolese. Orthodox monasticism, too, lives the combined cenobitic/eremitic life. The Russian Orthodox in particular have the eremitic life of the Schema and great Schema. The Coptics still have anchorites.

The value of community contact is that it offers opportunity to put the virtues into practice, as well as opportunities for defects of character to be highlighted.

"Faith without works is dead."

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#297 Sep 24, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Anchorites, even today, first practice cenobitism as part of their formation then, when ready, move on to eremitism. Even when eremitic, they continue to meet with others; some once per day, others once per week. Regardless, they have a spiritual director who keeps an eye on their inner economy to prevent self-delusion, profitless avenues and, well, going crazy. lol
Western examples of these are the Carthusians and Camldolese. Orthodox monasticism, too, lives the combined cenobitic/eremitic life. The Russian Orthodox in particular have the eremitic life of the Schema and great Schema. The Coptics still have anchorites.
The value of community contact is that it offers opportunity to put the virtues into practice, as well as opportunities for defects of character to be highlighted.
"Faith without works is dead."
Brilliant!

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#298 Sep 24, 2012
idgaf wrote:
Yup, we are all different. Some need people, other need solace and others are somewhere in between.
Funny how you can divide people up into these 3 groups.
Think about the place where your mind is most at peace and most free to do as it wishes? Where is it?
For me, it is while I sleep. There are no boundaries there. Nothing is impossible to do or feel. Be interesting to control it somehow or understand how it wanders so much.
Lucid dreaming, it can be controlled and recalled....
idgaf

Bedford, MA

#299 Sep 24, 2012
I think you can influence your dreaming, not sure about controlling it, at least not for me. Tell me more.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#300 Sep 25, 2012
idgaf wrote:
I think you can influence your dreaming, not sure about controlling it, at least not for me. Tell me more.
Feel free to investigate yourself - lucid dreaming.......

Since: Sep 12

Tucson, AZ

#301 Sep 27, 2012
I think it is not a question of faith in God, or a god, or anything spiritual that is falling. People's faith/trust in clergy (especially as regards the major organized religious institutions) seems to be falling, and it could have to do with past years of religious-related scandal and society seeing people who are supposed to be leading them spiritually going to jail, covering up criminal activity, and any number of non-righteous behaviors. In the age of the internet and pervasive social networking, secrets don't stay secrets long, and people aren't willing to put their trust in someone who claims to be a priest (or any other term), but is a registered sex offender. These types of things were not easily found out before the age of information. A person's past mistakes stayed in the past.
Almost all of the people I know from work, college, and anywhere I've had these types of conversations seem to put it in similar terms. They are more interested in having a personal or one-on-one relationship with their god(s) depending on their religion, be it Christianity or any other religion. They don't see why there needs to be a middleman, and they don't think mindless repetition is the key to living a righteous or spiritual life.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#302 Sep 28, 2012
pagan_david wrote:
I think it is not a question of faith in God, or a god, or anything spiritual that is falling. People's faith/trust in clergy (especially as regards the major organized religious institutions) seems to be falling, and it could have to do with past years of religious-related scandal and society seeing people who are supposed to be leading them spiritually going to jail, covering up criminal activity, and any number of non-righteous behaviors. In the age of the internet and pervasive social networking, secrets don't stay secrets long, and people aren't willing to put their trust in someone who claims to be a priest (or any other term), but is a registered sex offender. These types of things were not easily found out before the age of information. A person's past mistakes stayed in the past.
Almost all of the people I know from work, college, and anywhere I've had these types of conversations seem to put it in similar terms. They are more interested in having a personal or one-on-one relationship with their god(s) depending on their religion, be it Christianity or any other religion. They don't see why there needs to be a middleman, and they don't think mindless repetition is the key to living a righteous or spiritual life.
This is very true. In my opinion, the value of the true priest is simply in being a regular reminder of the very personal relationship of integrity, appreciation, respect and honest love that we should foster in and for each other in recognition of the source of our own being.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 14
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Transgender Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Why culture war issues like same-sex marriage a... 49 min Rainbow Kid 3
News Transgender Ken doll cake triggers outrage afte... 2 hr Skippy 17
i need bottom in riyadh (Jun '13) 2 hr raj riyadh 332
I need a sexy massage in jeddah 4 hr sydna 7
Jubail gays expat (Sep '13) 5 hr shahab 170
News Study: Children Of Same-Sex Parents More Likely... 5 hr JODECKO 65
looking for massage in Jubail (May '13) 7 hr young4old 227
The Growing trend of eunuchs/men without balls (Nov '08) Aug 23 sparebits 195
More from around the web