Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to prec...

Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to precedents

There are 820 comments on the WSFA-TV Montgomery story from Feb 13, 2014, titled Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to precedents. In it, WSFA-TV Montgomery reports that:

Greg Bourke, front, and his partner Michael Deleon speak to reporters following the announcement from U.S. LOUISVILLE, Ky.

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“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

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#480 Feb 24, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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Then what specific methods would you suggest?
STOP wearing your sexuality on your sleeve ,STOP subverting the will of the voter and STOP trying to make your orientation a protected status.

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

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#481 Feb 24, 2014
Quest wrote:
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You can't argue with success. And this success is so important in so many folk's lives.
As long as it's legal, and it works, it's good.
You can't win at the ballot box so you run to the courts before the ink is dry. I don't call that success!
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#482 Feb 24, 2014
People in this world will almost never, ever understand other people's problems. You have to live through it to be hit where you live; THEN you get it. Before that, empathy is great but a *pointed lack* of empathy simple shows that the person doesn't get what the other person went through.

It really *IS* like the saying about the show Seinfeld. You really *ARE* entitled to say to others, "You don't live it and so you don't get it," and that ends the discussion. Everything after that is babble or complaint.

(It suddenly struck me that the above post may not be clear. I am supporting the pro-gay in their complaints.)

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#483 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
I STOPPED arguing with idiots a long time ago!
You stopped arguing with yourself? I'm quite happy for you.

I;ll tell you what, why don't you go for the hat trick and stop arguing with the intelligent people as well. You really add nothing to the conversation, and seem to lack the ability to back your views with fact, logic, or reason.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#484 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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I agree with him too! We don't agree on the methods that are being employed!
The media are the ones making all the fuss about it.

Now that there's an openly gay NBA player, they'll probably shift all their focus to him.

That's how the media tends to work- 24/7 obsession about something until the next story comes along.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#485 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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STOP wearing your sexuality on your sleeve ,STOP subverting the will of the voter and STOP trying to make your orientation a protected status.
Sure, as soon as heterosexuals STOP wearing their sexuality on their sleeve, and STOP passing unconstitutional laws, and STOP tying to discriminate based on sexual orientation.

You started it, we're going to finish it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#486 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You can't win at the ballot box so you run to the courts before the ink is dry. I don't call that success!
Actually we HAVE won at the ballot box- the LAST FOUR TIMES the issue came up for a vote.

So if the majority took away one of YOUR constitutional rights you would just lie down and accept it?

B.S.

Should blacks just have accepted segregation & Jim Crowe laws because the majority voted for them?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#487 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You can't win at the ballot box so you run to the courts before the ink is dry. I don't call that success!
Btw, these bans were passed 4-6-8-10 years ago. I'm pretty sure the "ink is dry".

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#488 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Webster's would be nice!
mar·riage noun \&#712;mer-ij, &#712;ma-rij\
: the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife

: a similar relationship between people of the same sex

: a ceremony in which two people are married to each other

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mar...

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#489 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
STOP wearing your sexuality on your sleeve
Wouldn't you say that straight people wear THEIRS on their sleeve? It isn't exactly a secret when a straight person is straight. I see advertisements for straight people on TV, they're in all the shows and movies. I can't walk down the street without knowing if someone is straight. Why is THAT ok?

What you seem to be asking for here is for gay people to be SILENT about who we are. Perhaps you can suggest the time that it WOULD be appropriate for a gay person to say they are gay. Is there EVER a time, or should we NEVER speak of it? If we NEVER speak of it, do you really think that would be a good method for finding acceptance? Would you be able to find acceptance for certain people, if you never heard their voices from society?
Retired SOF wrote:
STOP subverting the will of the voter
Voters do not get to do whatever they want. This is WHY we have a Constitution. If our government was meant to be "mob rule", then we wouldn't NEED a document to tell us what actions are against the principles of our country. We would simply allow the majority to speak, and then we would do what they want every time. Instead, there are many times when certain things should NOT be voted on. There are times when the majority would ignorantly and discompassionately STEAL rights away from the minority. I have not been given the right to vote on YOUR marriage, or YOUR rights, so I do not see why you should the opportunity to vote on mine.
Retired SOF wrote:
STOP trying to make your orientation a protected status.
No, this we will not do. This one is very important. Too many people seem to feel that a different sexual orientation than their own is a good reason to lock people outside of social convention. There are too many people who feel this is a good enough reason to devalue someone's worth as a human being, and deprive them of whatever rights they feel they don't deserve.

I can't imagine why you would want any of these things. And frankly, none of them are actually alternative methods toward better acceptance, which is what I asked you for. You have suggested nothing. You have only demanded that we be silent and invisible, and that we bend to the will of people who do not know or understand us, but who hate us just the same.

What reason do I have to believe you are not one of them? Why should we take advice from someone who would prefer that we disappear altogether?

“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#490 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
STOP wearing your sexuality on your sleeve ,STOP subverting the will of the voter and STOP trying to make your orientation a protected status.
The short version is: none of these are suggestions for better methods, like I asked. They are only demands that we shut up and go away. Even you must be able to see why your "methods" will be rejected.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#492 Feb 24, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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POS... ok ok, I admit I considered that, lol..
But honestly, the issue of bisexuality confuses this issue to no end. I'm not one of those who likes to ascribe secret homosexual thoughts to all those who oppose gay rights...
I would agree with you there, too. I tend not to ascribe latent homosexuality to the people that hate us, either. But I DO very firmly believe that most people experience some degree of bisexuality. Very few people are purely oriented to one gender alone. If more people were strictly one-gender-only, more people would understand that sexual orientation isn't a choice.

I think that it's that presence of varying degrees of bisexuality that makes so many people SO hell-bent that being gay is a choice. They really believe that it is.

As we all know, many people that spend their lives screaming and wailing against homosexuality ARE themselves closet cases. We know that because they keep getting caught in bed with a same-sex partner.

But for people to be insisting beyond any doubt that sexual orientation is something that people can simply choose, and insisting in the numbers that are insisting it, I can only find two explanations:

1) Those people know it's not a choice and are lying, they know it, and they don't care because they hate homosexuality and/or gay people so much that lies about them don't matter to them, or

2) They really DO believe it's a choice. The only way that a person could really strongly believe that sexual orientation is a choice that someone can make would be if they, themselves, believe that they could choose, too. In order to believe a person could simply "choose" which gender to be attracted to, that person *must* be able to identify some level of attraction to both genders. Otherwise they'd know better, wouldn't they?

I'm one of those rare individuals that is 110% gay. I have less than zero attraction toward women. I can appreciate the beauty in the female form, but that appreciation is similar to the appreciation I feel toward an awesome piece of art or a particularly beautiful sunset--amazing in it's beauty, but sexually stimulating? Not at all.

To me, it's more than obvious that sexual orientation isn't a choice.

Bisexuality makes perfect sense to me, too, and seems like a perfectly normal and natural form of sexuality that, clearly, many people experience, despite me not feeling it at all in myself.

What does *not* make any sense to me is the notion that someone can simply "choose" who they are sexually attracted to. That make no sense at all.

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#493 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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STOP wearing your sexuality on your sleeve ,STOP subverting the will of the voter and STOP trying to make your orientation a protected status.
No.

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" ... The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections ...”

- West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette 319 U.S. 624 (1943

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#494 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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STOP wearing your sexuality on your sleeve ,
You got it! Just as soon as straight people quit, we'll quit, too. How's that? Got any questions?? Meet the Duggars! They'll tell you all about flaunting their sexual practices in public for fame and fortune. When they stop, we'll stop.
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>STOP subverting the will of the voter
Again, 8th grade Civics class. We are NOT a democracy. We're a representative democracy based on a constitution that guarantees use certain civil rights. Those civil rights, including the right to be treated equally, are not up for a vote. It's about protecting minorities from the ever changing and easily manipulable whims of panicking hoards of idiots, otherwise known as "the majority." The founding fathers spent a great deal of time and energy working that out and I'm grateful they did!
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>and STOP trying to make your orientation a protected status.
As soon as people stop using it to attack and persecute us, we'll be glad to stop trying to protect ourselves from those attacks.

Fair enough??

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

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#495 Feb 24, 2014
eJohn wrote:
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You got it! Just as soon as straight people quit, we'll quit, too. How's that? Got any questions?? Meet the Duggars! They'll tell you all about flaunting their sexual practices in public for fame and fortune. When they stop, we'll stop.
<quoted text>
Again, 8th grade Civics class. We are NOT a democracy. We're a representative democracy based on a constitution that guarantees use certain civil rights. Those civil rights, including the right to be treated equally, are not up for a vote. It's about protecting minorities from the ever changing and easily manipulable whims of panicking hoards of idiots, otherwise known as "the majority." The founding fathers spent a great deal of time and energy working that out and I'm grateful they did!
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As soon as people stop using it to attack and persecute us, we'll be glad to stop trying to protect ourselves from those attacks.
Fair enough??
Persecute!! You have no idea what "persecute" is !!

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

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#496 Feb 24, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sure, as soon as heterosexuals STOP wearing their sexuality on their sleeve, and STOP passing unconstitutional laws, and STOP tying to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
You started it, we're going to finish it.
Your "RADICAL" stance will not help your case!! Good luck!!!

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#497 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Persecute!! You have no idea what "persecute" is !!
Beaten is beaten. Evicted is evicted. Excluded is excluded. Reviled and defamed is reviled and defamed. And dead is dead.

http://www.davidmixner.com/2010/07/lgbt-histo...

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/mob-police-beat-u...

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“A long time ago”

Since: Nov 09

in a galaxy far, far away....

#499 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
Persecute!! You have no idea what "persecute" is !!
Yeah! Getting tied to a fence post and beaten to death doesn't count! Having beer bottles chucked at your head as you walk down the street doesn't count! Being set upon by a gang of men who leave you bloody on the sidewalk is hardly "persecution"!

REAL persecution is when Christians (and only Christians) are FORCED to be kind and decent to people they disagree with. What a horrible way to live!

In backwards land.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#500 Feb 24, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Your "RADICAL" stance will not help your case!! Good luck!!!
17 straight wins in 17 states.

4 straight wins at the ballot box

5 straight wins in federal court

EVERY poll showing support for marriage equality nationwide at over 50%, and growing by 1-2% support every year.

Hmmmm, seems our "radical" stance is working pretty well.

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#501 Feb 24, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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Yeah! Getting tied to a fence post and beaten to death doesn't count! Having beer bottles chucked at your head as you walk down the street doesn't count! Being set upon by a gang of men who leave you bloody on the sidewalk is hardly "persecution"!
REAL persecution is when Christians (and only Christians) are FORCED to be kind and decent to people they disagree with. What a horrible way to live!
In backwards land.
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