Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to precedents

Feb 13, 2014 Full story: WSFA-TV Montgomery 822

Greg Bourke, front, and his partner Michael Deleon speak to reporters following the announcement from U.S. LOUISVILLE, Ky.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#378 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You constantly and continuously shove it into people's faces! You don't make friends by doing that!
Working for marriage equality for same-sex couples is hardly "shoving it into people's faces".

Over the past 20 years we've worked to convince a majority of Americans that same-sex couples should be able to marry. Every poll indicates we've been successful at doing just that, as evidence by our victories in the last 4 statewide votes on the issue

Obviously we know what we're doing.

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

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#379 Feb 19, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Working for marriage equality for same-sex couples is hardly "shoving it into people's faces".
Over the past 20 years we've worked to convince a majority of Americans that same-sex couples should be able to marry. Every poll indicates we've been successful at doing just that, as evidence by our victories in the last 4 statewide votes on the issue
Obviously we know what we're doing.
You continue to subvert the voters of states that don't agree with you. What you can't win at the ballot box, you take to court! Take your victories, WAIT a while, TALK to the people then TRY again! DON'T run to the courts even BEFORE the polling place as closed!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#380 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You continue to subvert the voters of states that don't agree with you. What you can't win at the ballot box, you take to court! Take your victories, WAIT a while, TALK to the people then TRY again! DON'T run to the courts even BEFORE the polling place as closed!
Why shouldn't we challenged unconstitutional laws in court? That's why we have a judiciary.

Would YOU wait for equal treatment?

We won't.

Btw, ironically it is the ANTI-GAYS who are suing to PREVENT another vote by the people in states like Ohio, Oregon, Colorado, & Michigan. They claim it was voted on once and therefore should never be voted on again. Gee, now I wonder why they don't want it voted on again? Could it have anything to do with all the polls showing they would likely LOSE a vote this time around?

IF (and that's a BIG if) the courts don't overturn the remaining bans, the anti-gays will do everything they can to prevent another vote from taking place in their state, because even they know that with the ever changing demographics they will eventually lose. So their only option is to prevent that vote from happening as long as possible, which is why they put it in the state constitutions while they still had the majority.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#381 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You continue to subvert the voters of states that don't agree with you. What you can't win at the ballot box, you take to court! Take your victories, WAIT a while, TALK to the people then TRY again! DON'T run to the courts even BEFORE the polling place as closed!
You slept through your 8th grade Civics class, didn't you?

Our entire system of government is designed to be fair and equitable to everyone and to protect the rights of minorities from the whims of the majority. That's why we have a judiciary that's responsible for throwing out laws that are enacted for the sole purpose of harming people.

People are SUPPOSED TO go to court when either the legislature or the voters enact laws that are blatantly unconstitutional or have no basis in government authority. Bans on marriage equality are pretty much what the judiciary was setup to thwart--large groups of angry idiots voting in unjust laws and using the government to persecute people they don't like.

Let me ask you, if there were laws enacted that specifically targeted you and your family for unequal treatment and banned you from the full protections offered to other people and families, would you be content to "WAIT, TALK, TRY AGAIN"?? Or would you simply go to the courts and get the fairness that you and your family are due?

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#382 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You continue to subvert the voters of states that don't agree with you. What you can't win at the ballot box, you take to court! Take your victories, WAIT a while, TALK to the people then TRY again! DON'T run to the courts even BEFORE the polling place as closed!
Again more of your foolish bullcrap. On December 26, 1994 my spouse and I had a Commitment ceremony in a church in Maryland. After waiting nearly TWENTY YEARS we were legally married on July 26, 2013.

We WAITED TWENTY YEARS. If that isn't long enough to wait to you, you can kiss my Gay ass.

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

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#383 Feb 19, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Why shouldn't we challenged unconstitutional laws in court? That's why we have a judiciary.
Would YOU wait for equal treatment?
We won't.
Btw, ironically it is the ANTI-GAYS who are suing to PREVENT another vote by the people in states like Ohio, Oregon, Colorado, & Michigan. They claim it was voted on once and therefore should never be voted on again. Gee, now I wonder why they don't want it voted on again? Could it have anything to do with all the polls showing they would likely LOSE a vote this time around?
IF (and that's a BIG if) the courts don't overturn the remaining bans, the anti-gays will do everything they can to prevent another vote from taking place in their state, because even they know that with the ever changing demographics they will eventually lose. So their only option is to prevent that vote from happening as long as possible, which is why they put it in the state constitutions while they still had the majority.
You are asking, no demanding , people to accept something they see as morally wrong. Using words like ANTI-GAY, HOMOPHOBIC, ISN'T helping your cause! You are going about this the wrong way. You are going to alienate more people then you hope to win over by doing what you are doing, the way you are doing it. White, moral majority, American isn't your problem. The demographics you THINK are with you are going to leave you because of the actions you are using.

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#384 Feb 19, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
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Again more of your foolish bullcrap. On December 26, 1994 my spouse and I had a Commitment ceremony in a church in Maryland. After waiting nearly TWENTY YEARS we were legally married on July 26, 2013.
We WAITED TWENTY YEARS. If that isn't long enough to wait to you, you can kiss my Gay ass.
NO sorry I don't play for that time. Rome wasn't built nor fell in a day, nor did slavery or prohibition. Your life span has little to do with time here or how quick things get done! That is one of the most selfish comments you have made. You are disappointing!!! Goodbye and good luck, You will need it!

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#385 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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NO sorry I don't play for that time. Rome wasn't built nor fell in a day, nor did slavery or prohibition. Your life span has little to do with time here or how quick things get done! That is one of the most selfish comments you have made. You are disappointing!!! Goodbye and good luck, You will need it!
Blah blah blah

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#386 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
You are asking, no demanding , people to accept something they see as morally wrong. Using words like ANTI-GAY, HOMOPHOBIC, ISN'T helping your cause! You are going about this the wrong way. You are going to alienate more people then you hope to win over by doing what you are doing, the way you are doing it. White, moral majority, American isn't your problem. The demographics you THINK are with you are going to leave you because of the actions you are using.
Actually it's the actions we've been doing which is directly responsible for all the support we've built over the past 20+ years.

It's only the rabidly anti-gay homophobic bigots such as yourself who can't see that.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#387 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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NO sorry I don't play for that time. Rome wasn't built nor fell in a day, nor did slavery or prohibition. Your life span has little to do with time here or how quick things get done! That is one of the most selfish comments you have made.......!
It's selfish to want to ;protect one's family? To use every legal means to do so?

Things have happened fairly quickly with regard to marriage equality because so many people have been brave enough to come out and stand up. Progress never happens when people wait, and hide.

And progress isn't going to stop.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#388 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You are asking, no demanding , people to accept something they see as morally wrong. Using words like ANTI-GAY, HOMOPHOBIC, ISN'T helping your cause!.........
Actually, our cause is coming along fine. Yes, there are ignorant folks who believe one silly thing or another, but, fortunately, their opinions are being marginalized by court after court,

No one should be able to deny fundamental rights to others based ONLY on opinion, and not some measurable and rational reason. And there is NO rational state interest in treating same sex married couples differently from heterosexual married couples.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#389 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You are asking, no demanding , people to accept something they see as morally wrong. Using words like ANTI-GAY, HOMOPHOBIC, ISN'T helping your cause! You are going about this the wrong way. You are going to alienate more people then you hope to win over by doing what you are doing, the way you are doing it. White, moral majority, American isn't your problem. The demographics you THINK are with you are going to leave you because of the actions you are using.
Not at all. They can continue to disapprove to their totalitarian little hearts' content.

We demand for ourselves precisely what any Citizen is supposed to have. No more. No less.

Since: Mar 09

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#390 Feb 19, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You constantly and continuously shove it into people's faces! You don't make friends by doing that!
On the contrary, that is precisely what heteros do all day, every day, in every way imaginable.

We are merely in the middle of a fight for something that we never should have needed to fight for in the first place.

Yep. We done be uppity.

Get over it.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#391 Feb 20, 2014
snyper wrote:
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On the contrary, that is precisely what heteros do all day, every day, in every way imaginable.
We are merely in the middle of a fight for something that we never should have needed to fight for in the first place.
Yep. We done be uppity.
Get over it.
What I love about making this point about heterosexuality is that it takes *the antigay logic* and turns it around. By anyone's logic, NO ONE is "shoving in your face" anything that simply exists; you're free to ignore it. But by antigay logic, the existence of all things gay (!!!) merely in and of itself constitutes "shoving it in others' faces."

By this logic, heterosexuality is stomp-kicked down people's throats nonstop from dawn to dusk all over the world everywhere, indeed.

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

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#392 Feb 20, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Actually it's the actions we've been doing which is directly responsible for all the support we've built over the past 20+ years.
It's only the rabidly anti-gay homophobic bigots such as yourself who can't see that.
"anti-gay homophobic bigots "

I see you are still trying to make friends!

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#393 Feb 20, 2014
snyper wrote:
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On the contrary, that is precisely what heteros do all day, every day, in every way imaginable.
We are merely in the middle of a fight for something that we never should have needed to fight for in the first place.
Yep. We done be uppity.
Get over it.
Good Luck!

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#394 Feb 20, 2014
Quest wrote:
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It's selfish to want to ;protect one's family? To use every legal means to do so?
Things have happened fairly quickly with regard to marriage equality because so many people have been brave enough to come out and stand up. Progress never happens when people wait, and hide.
And progress isn't going to stop.
Progress takes time! Forcing an opinion onto people that believe what you are doing to morally wrong AND trying to redefine marriage after 5,000 plus years of civil society without thinking of the unintended consequences is selfish. It isn't all about YOU!

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#395 Feb 20, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Good Luck!
Thanks.

But luck isn't something to rely on. Hard work and strong motivation will take a cause far further.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#396 Feb 20, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Progress takes time! Forcing an opinion onto people that believe what you are doing to morally wrong AND trying to redefine marriage after 5,000 plus years of civil society without thinking of the unintended consequences is selfish. It isn't all about YOU!
What unintended consequences are you referring to? What consequences, I assume "bad" from your tone, are there to Marriage Equality? Please be specific.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#397 Feb 20, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Good Luck!
I'll go with hard work instead.

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