Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to prec...

Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to precedents

There are 821 comments on the WSFA-TV Montgomery story from Feb 13, 2014, titled Ky. gay marriage ruling looks to precedents. In it, WSFA-TV Montgomery reports that:

Greg Bourke, front, and his partner Michael Deleon speak to reporters following the announcement from U.S. LOUISVILLE, Ky.

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#233 Feb 16, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>No the SCOTUS agreed and left the Minnesota Supreme Court ruling stand and all it shows is the Liberals have disregards to SCOTUS rulings.
Nope, you'd be wrong......back in 1972, SCOTUS dismissed as there was NO federal question.......TODAY, that's NOT the case......and only idiots bring up the Baker case because even the proponents know Baker ISN'T anything today!!!
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#234 Feb 16, 2014
The Baker case is, indeed, a fascinating example of the ways in which prejudices *utterly blind* people -- provable, in any nation's history!-- to their own prejudices. Weird how, back in the 1970s, the issue was laughed out of court. The SUPREME COURT itself (arguably) ducked having anything to do with the case by weaseling out of *addressing the issues directly and proximately presented thereby*-- which THAT, they most definitely did. The very summary above shows unarguably that their one-sentence dismissal of the case touched *in no way*, ZERO, upon the issues directly and proximately presented.

And here we are in 2014, and by some odd magic that shows society has progressed, one-third (1/3) of the U.S. states have same-sex marriage.

Were they wrong back then, or are they wrong now? Be careful -- very, very, very careful -- of saying we're wrong now.

Because there's this little decision called Plessy v. Ferguson ...

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#235 Feb 16, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Baker v. Nelson
Richard John Baker v. Gerald R. Nelson, 291 Minn. 310, 191 N.W.2d 185 (1971) is a case in which the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that a state law limiting marriage to persons of the opposite sex did not violate the U.S. Constitution. Baker appealed, and on October 10, 1972, the United States Supreme Court dismissed the appeal "for want of a substantial federal question." Because the case came to the Supreme Court through mandatory appellate review (not certiorari), the dismissal constituted a decision on the merits and established Baker v. Nelson as precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Nelson
You're reading the SCotUS decision correctly, but reading INTO IT incorrectly.

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#236 Feb 17, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
This isn't a fu**ing democracy; it's a constitutional republic. The voters have limited governmental influence. It was set up that way because the founders knew the horrors that direct control by the great unwashed could create. People like YOU are why the constitution overrules "the people".
Of course, maybe if you idiots would READ it, you might see why you're wrong.
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We are a "representative republic" be exact! Are you saying WE the people are irrelevant now since you have the courts?

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#237 Feb 17, 2014
Delbert wrote:
Your issue is again with the virtues of Americans, you have spouted an issue with the guaranteed right for Freedom of Speech.
You have a right to speech, assemble and being uninformed. You wear those virtues so proudly as you have that right as an American. You don't have a right to impede upon another citizen expressing those same rights.
Flag burning is an expression of free speech whether you like it or not so long as it's a flag you purchased for that or any other purpose
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Good luck you are going to need it!

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#238 Feb 17, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Hmmm, 17 straight states moved to equality- including 4 statewide referendum votes, and 4 straight federal court rulings in our favor.
I'd say our playbook is working pretty darn good.
Thankfully your fellow anti-gays keep using the same lame arguments against us- i.e. tradition, procreation, etc.
You learned a lot from Saul but you lose your argument when you subvert the votes of the people you need the most! Good luck, you are going to need it!

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#239 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
You learned a lot from Saul but you lose your argument when you subvert the votes of the people you need the most! Good luck, you are going to need it!
Retired SOB, Your ignorance is showing again.

"One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/...

http://www.afer.org/blog/video-14-supreme-cou...

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#240 Feb 17, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Baker v. Nelson
Richard John Baker v. Gerald R. Nelson, 291 Minn. 310, 191 N.W.2d 185 (1971) is a case in which the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that a state law limiting marriage to persons of the opposite sex did not violate the U.S. Constitution. Baker appealed, and on October 10, 1972, the United States Supreme Court dismissed the appeal "for want of a substantial federal question." Because the case came to the Supreme Court through mandatory appellate review (not certiorari), the dismissal constituted a decision on the merits and established Baker v. Nelson as precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_v._Nelson
No longer relevant, nor binding precedent.

A lot has changed in jurisprudence over the past 40+ years.

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Tawas City, Michigan

#241 Feb 17, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>No the SCOTUS agreed and left the Minnesota Supreme Court ruling stand and all it shows is the Liberals have disregards to SCOTUS rulings.
The Facts of the Baker Vs Nelson Case
Pssst, see the DOMA ruling (Windsor v US). The SCOTUS ruled the federal govt DOES have to recognized married same-sex couples.

Bye-bye Baker precedent.

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#242 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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We are a "representative republic" be exact! Are you saying WE the people are irrelevant now since you have the courts?
Not irrelevant, just not able to violate the constitution by popular vote.

It's called checks & balances.

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#243 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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You learned a lot from Saul but you lose your argument when you subvert the votes of the people you need the most! Good luck, you are going to need it!
Society has changed.

We don't need the votes of the anti-gays.

We also don't need luck, just a judiciary which upholds the constitution.

Seems to be working pretty good.

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#244 Feb 17, 2014
This Kentucky case could well be the case the SCOTUS decides to take for the '15/'16 term, assuming it is even appealed.

It would be in intermediate step to full marriage equality by requiring all states to RECOGNIZE marriages of same-sex couples while not requiring every state to PERFORM marriages of same-sex couples.

It would also be a way to advance equality while delaying a nationwide ruling on full marriage equality for another year.

Or the SCOTUS could simply deny any appeals or even just sit on the cases for years while a stay prevents the lower court rulings from taking effect.

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#245 Feb 17, 2014
Anyone know how long the SCOTUS can sit on cases? Years??

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#246 Feb 17, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Society has changed.
We don't need the votes of the anti-gays.
We also don't need luck, just a judiciary which upholds the constitution.
Seems to be working pretty good.
but you have the majority of our support.

in my lifetime it will be our culture that being gay is just a natural normal part of being human. "oh, that guy's a redhead, and she's gay, and he's left-handed..".no difference...

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#247 Feb 17, 2014
lides wrote:
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Retired SOB, Your ignorance is showing again.
"One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/...
http://www.afer.org/blog/video-14-supreme-cou...
What does same sex marriage have to do with anything you mentioned?

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#248 Feb 17, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Not irrelevant, just not able to violate the constitution by popular vote.
It's called checks & balances.
Tell that to the current president!!

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#249 Feb 17, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Society has changed.
We don't need the votes of the anti-gays.
We also don't need luck, just a judiciary which upholds the constitution.
Seems to be working pretty good.
Saul would be proud of you! The language of the left in full swing!!

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St. Croix valley

#250 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
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Saul would be proud of you! The language of the left in full swing!!
the language of facts?

you disparage talking about facts? yes, of course you would...all you ever post is proven lies...
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#251 Feb 17, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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There's a way to identify threats to a society and you are threats. Based on disease carriers and predatory behavior toward children, you are disproportionately threats. Any species finds ways to eliminate threats and diseased members. It's the only way to a healthy human society. You can get "married", where you are quarantined.
Focusing your dismay on walking petri dishes and pedopohiles takes the spotlight off gay people (who are neither walking petri dishes nor pedophiles) giving Gays the freedom to advance our society unimpeded
.
Thank you; sugar

lides

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#252 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
What does same sex marriage have to do with anything you mentioned?
Simple. Marriage between two people is a protection of the law in every state in the union.

The US Supreme Court has held marriage to be a fundamental right on 14 separate occasions.

It has also held that fundamental rights may not be put to a vote.

Rights may only be infringed if doing so serves a compelling governmental interest, and you are capable of offering no such interest served by denying same sex couples equal protection of the law to marry.

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