Repeal of LGBT protections to be on Nov. 6 ballot

Sep 10, 2012 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.saljournal.com

An ordinance that protects gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people from discrimination in Salina will go on the ballot in November.

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<quoted text>Sweetie, they aren't "special protections" if they are extended to everyone. The ordinance would protect YOU if you were somehow discriminated against on the basis of your sexual orientation or how you express your gender (you do have those don't you?). There is an all too well documented history of discrimination against those who aren't heterosexual and those who express their gender in less than conventional ways, that's pretty much a given and while nowhere near as frequent, there exists discrimination against those who are heterosexual and those who express their gender in familiar ways. We all deserve equal protection, whether you really want it or not.
I wouldn't trust a single word from this "Rick". Gay activists have a long and sordid track record of sleazy pandering, victim-mongering, character assasination, crude demonization, and elaborate, sophisticated falsehoods - THAT'S what their brick road out from the closet has been paved with - always bypassing the democratic process with sleazy, brute force politics.

The socially-irresponsible and destructive aims of this pathologically thin-skinned demographic have always been cavalier and indifferent to the rights of "We the People" as defined by the Constitution.

Your abusive arrogance, Rick, is exactly what is causing the gay juggernaut's house of cards to topple. Because let's face it, your responses on this forum are motivated by infantile hatred and mal-adjustment. Your manifestations of that have paper-thin transparency. The hatred, true hatred, is from gays themselves.

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You just can't accept the fact that you aren't normal, can you? If you were, you wouldn't need special privileges.
Can you please explain what special privileges come with having sexual orientation and gender identity as characteristics in your nondiscrimination law? I honestly can't figure that one out.
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<quoted text>No one's objections are criminalized and the ordinance makes no mention of cross-dressers. If you are an employer or the operator of a business, you cannot discriminate on the basis of anyone's sexual orientation and/or gender identity. <quoted text>Austin has had virtually the same exact ordinance as has been passed here in Salina in force since 2004. How many instances of these "bizarre scenarios" can you evidence as having occurred down there in the last 8 years? Your "bizarre scenarios" are actually nothing more than paranoid fantasies with absolutely no basis in any reality, now aren't they?
<quoted text>We don't want to take over society dear, we just want the same rights you seemingly take for granted.
These are very wide-sweeping statements from one who obviously knows very little of the true implications of these kinds of bills, or is deliberately throwing feignts to dumb-down everyone and camoflauge what they're truly about.

Gay "rights" have always needed to be forced down everyone's throats by corrupt judiciary or legislation, but never by the democratic process, never by the will of "We the People".

Gay "rights" come at the costly toll of trampling the First Amendment and Freedom of Conscience.

Gay "rights" bear the cruel stench of a godless, "progressive" reality, a reality that America is waking up to in droves, thanks to citizen journalists such as myself. And by the way, Rick, your abusive arrogance are painting the perfect characature of those fabled oppressors your movement purports to abhor. Hypocricy is stock-in-trade for gay activism.
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Gay activism is strictly un-American, for it to achieve fruition, it must always bypass the democratic process. 32 out of 32 times that it did face the democratic process, it got stopped cold.

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Emelye Waldherr wrote:
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Gender identity is part of nondiscrimination law in over 125 jurisdictions. The first was in Minneapolis, in 1976. Please show us a real example of the kind of doomsday scenario that you're weaving. There should be more than a few if you had a leg to stand on.
People like you just love to smear the trans community with fear mongering and over the top emotional appeals for just one thing, so you can continue to harm us without fear of repercussion. If people are treated with dignity and respect then they won't sue.
TOUCHE,Emelye.How are you Hon?

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These are very wide-sweeping statements from one who obviously knows very little of the true implications of these kinds of bills, or is deliberately throwing feignts to dumb-down everyone and camoflauge what they're truly about.
Gay "rights" have always needed to be forced down everyone's throats by corrupt judiciary or legislation, but never by the democratic process, never by the will of "We the People".
Gay "rights" come at the costly toll of trampling the First Amendment and Freedom of Conscience.
Gay "rights" bear the cruel stench of a godless, "progressive" reality, a reality that America is waking up to in droves, thanks to citizen journalists such as myself. And by the way, Rick, your abusive arrogance are painting the perfect characature of those fabled oppressors your movement purports to abhor. Hypocricy is stock-in-trade for gay activism.
Eric,your comments are ludicrous.You simply ignore all historical implications of past discrimination's.No one is forcing anything down anyone's' throats.Homophobes are worse than hypocrites.LGBT rights are not conferred by mid-western homophobes.These are rights guaranteed to every U.S. Citizen;and,PAID FOR IN FULL,by brave men,IN BLOOD.Where do you get such idiotic views that LGBT rights "Trample the First Amendment?"Freedom of Conscience,whether you like it or not,derives from Religious Beliefs.Sociopaths have no conscience;and,are excluded from this discussion.There are 10 COMMANDMENTS of GOD;not 603.Which one of Those denies the rights of LGBT?Stephenie

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P.S.Please don't start quoting from Biblical Scripture to me.It is quite obvious to me,that I have forgotten more knowledge of the Holy Texts,than you have ever learned.Stephenie

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qwerty wrote:
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The special privilege ordinance is on the ballot as it should have been originally.
If its voted out I can start a buissness where I pay $250,000 a year and not hire you becasue you Identify as a gender, and you are straght it goes both ways idiot, EVERYONE has a sexual orentation and a gender Idenity. Civil rights by their nature CANNOT be voted on as the majoraty will always keep the minority down, if civil rights could be voted on women still couldnt vote blacks and whites couldnt get married blacks would be non equal to whites jews would not be allowed here neather would irish. Dont use the religous argument because the same argument they have with LGBT people is the same one they used to keep women from having rights and blacks from having rights and left handed people from having rights

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wertyu wrote:
There must be some gay moderator on topix. Some of my posts (brilliant posts, I might add) have been removed.
Ummm no they were removed becasue they VILOATED the TOS
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qwerty wrote:
<quoted text> Rights that are afforded to you "different" types already. The perceived problems addressed by this ordinance were contrived. It is part of a bigger plan by the deviant sector of the community.
Why are you against this law? Since you claim that nobody is being discriminated against because of their sexual identity, the law doesn't change anything. If the law doesn't change anything, why are you so upset about it?
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If its voted out I can start a buissness where I pay $250,000 a year and not hire you becasue you Identify as a gender, and you are straght it goes both ways idiot, EVERYONE has a sexual orentation and a gender Idenity. Civil rights by their nature CANNOT be voted on as the majoraty will always keep the minority down, if civil rights could be voted on women still couldnt vote blacks and whites couldnt get married blacks would be non equal to whites jews would not be allowed here neather would irish. Dont use the religous argument because the same argument they have with LGBT people is the same one they used to keep women from having rights and blacks from having rights and left handed people from having rights
The American Psychiatric Association (AMA) only de-listed homosexuality from being a mental disorder after intense public pressure from the activist community and their allies, not for scientific reasons. Gender identity disorder is still considered a character defect by them.

Homosexuality IS NOT analagous with race. Homosexuality is a highly-fluid, changable behavior, and does not merit the definition of someones very personhood. People leave homosexuality all the time. "Immutable", it is not.

The legacy of these activists pushing for things like these non-discrimination use them as strategic leverage, stepping stones if you will, to grant them access to ever-expanding reach of power in the culture, to the exclusions and discrimination of the straight majority. These activists pushing for this have a long track record of this Alinsky-type behavior.

These non-discrimination-type bills were first envisioned for middle-school campuses by deprav ed gay activist Kevin Jennings, and then slightly altered to be applied to adult world scenarios.

These bills, in their public schools applications, were used as a ruse, a smokescreen, a trojan horse, to promote homosexuality in schools, and to grant gay students a status of ultra-entitlement.

What these bills do enable, is to make certain classes of people, as Ky Rep Ben Waide observed, "...achieving equality by making some people more-equal-than-equal."

Salina non-discrimination/gender identity is the outsourcing of depraved east and west coast loose moral standards and sexual politics to Middle America. And in order to do so, it's proponents have to manufacture a crisis to sell the need to the public.

How easily spoonfed are you, KS?
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So no examples in the eight years of Austin's experience of having a similar ordinance and the only one you can come up with from ANYWHERE, you can't even get the facts (pun intended) straight.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-04-24/n...
It happened in Maryland, not Michigan and it didn't happen to a "cross-dressing male", but to a transgendered woman who had already undergone sexual reassignment. Your "indignant females" committed a hate crime against this woman based on the same ignorant false assumptions you are promoting here.
You are doing nothing but attempting to rationalize your irrational bigotries against people you don't find acceptable. While you have every right to those bigotries, those of us who are the target of them ,now have the right not to be discriminated against on the basis of them. We will fight hard to keep the ordinance come election day and hopefully common sense and reason, rather than your kind of paranoia and hate will prevail.
Yes, yes- Maryland, my bad. Christopher Solis, I think was his name.

Anyways, a dude getting his thing cut off then walking into women's restrooms - as for 'bizarre', that scenario takes the cake. Pretty f-----g strange. Set yourself up for that one, you sophomoric fool.

But then again, your's and my definition of bizarre differ greatly, don't they. Folks like you, their definition of normal and bizarre must be graded on a curve. Your freewheeling, depraved and loose standards of morality, also on a curve from those with honorable, Middle-American sensibilities.

Might I suggest you return yourself back to Castro district or whatever place you hail? This is Middle-America, and that s--t that goes over in that politically-correct bubble that is Mass. NY and California don't fly here.

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qwerty wrote:
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That's because you are stupid.
Typical nonanswer insult from an obvious fickwut who has no cogent reply. You lose.

Stephmar, I'm alright, thnx.

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LoL! I've been with my wife for 30 years last May. This maroon is truly clueless!

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Please allow me to ask you again, Eric: Gender identity is part of nondiscrimination law in over 125 jurisdictions. The first was in Minneapolis, in 1976. Please show us a real example of the kind of doomsday scenario that you're weaving?

Do you have any reality based evidence at all?

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Emelye Waldherr wrote:
Please allow me to ask you again, Eric: Gender identity is part of nondiscrimination law in over 125 jurisdictions. The first was in Minneapolis, in 1976. Please show us a real example of the kind of doomsday scenario that you're weaving?
Do you have any reality based evidence at all?
Dont hold your breath waiting as you know as well as I do and anyone that can type two words into the search field in google know it too, he wont find any REAL issues.

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wertyu wrote:
<quoted text>How would you know? You're just some bull dyke, not a moderator.
You would know my sexuality How? I never told it to you. I have however read the TOS several times and I understand them and how they work as I am a Moderator on another site.
Your comment shows exactly why your previous comments were removed, insted of brushing up on the TOS you call someone you dont know a bull dyke need I say more

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wertyu wrote:
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Bravo! Thirty years is a long time to put up a hetero front! I applaud your tenacity. But why don't you come out if you are so pro homo?
You're a g'damned fool if you think you can get to me with your infantile rhetoric and baseless assumptions. The more you post the more it's obvious you really are the fickwut I recognized you to be right at the beginning.

You ought to try using your computer to learn something about the subject you're commenting on instead of using it to so brightly illuminate your fear and ignorance.

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Eric wrote:
The American Psychiatric Association (AMA) only de-listed homosexuality from being a mental disorder after intense public pressure from the activist community and their allies, not for scientific reasons. Gender identity disorder is still considered a character defect by them.
Actually, the empirical scientific evidence that homosexuality was NOT and never had been a mental illness had been around for more than a decade before that intense public pressure was brought to bear.
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Homosexuality IS NOT analagous with race. Homosexuality is a highly-fluid, changable behavior, and does not merit the definition of someones very personhood. People leave homosexuality all the time. "Immutable", it is not.[/QUOTE}No one leaves homosexuality, they merely pretend to be heterosexual. There is NO evidence whatsoever that anyone ever became exclusively heterosexual from an exclusively homosexual orientation.
[QUOTE who="Eric"]The legacy of these activists pushing for things like these non-discrimination use them as strategic leverage, stepping stones if you will, to grant them access to ever-expanding reach of power in the culture, to the exclusions and discrimination of the straight majority. These activists pushing for this have a long track record of this Alinsky-type behavior.
Have you ever considered treatment for paranoia?
Eric wrote:
These non-discrimination-type bills were first envisioned for middle-school campuses by deprav ed gay activist Kevin Jennings, and then slightly altered to be applied to adult world scenarios.
If you haven't thought of treatment, you really should.
Eric wrote:
These bills, in their public schools applications, were used as a ruse, a smokescreen, a trojan horse, to promote homosexuality in schools, and to grant gay students a status of ultra-entitlement.
Seriously, seek treatment.
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What these bills do enable, is to make certain classes of people, as Ky Rep Ben Waide observed, "...achieving equality by making some people more-equal-than-equal."
Yeah, right.
Eric wrote:
Salina non-discrimination/gender identity is the outsourcing of depraved east and west coast loose moral standards and sexual politics to Middle America. And in order to do so, it's proponents have to manufacture a crisis to sell the need to the public.
How easily spoonfed are you, KS?
Not very easily, that's why your paranoia is so tough to swallow. Just to remind you, the city you are posting from has had virtually the same ordinance on its books for 8 years now. The sky hasn't fallen and the gay folk haven't become "more equal than equal".

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