Religious freedom and LGBT rights

Religious freedom and LGBT rights

There are 263 comments on the Ekklesia Daily News story from Mar 11, 2013, titled Religious freedom and LGBT rights. In it, Ekklesia Daily News reports that:

'Religious Freedom and LGBT Rights - are they compatible?' This was the title and theme of the Cutting Edge Consortium meeting in The Jubilee Room this evening, 11 March 2013.

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“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#42 Mar 14, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>Your rights means nothing to God FACT! Everyone on this earth will face God on Judgment Day FACT. And all sinners will be put into hell for there sinful lifestyle FACT. If anyone don't want to go to hell forever they better turn toward Jesus in truth or pay for it the hard way FACT. What you say or think means nothing to God, there is one born FACT "get right or else"....
Judgment of your fellow man = Swimmin' in the lake of fire, serpent. Remember to dress lightly.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#45 Mar 14, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
^ Churches of Satan go against the Holy Bible. But the Word of God warned us about these latter days:
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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Jude 1:18- How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Lust is NOT synonymous with, OR descriptive of ... homosexuality. Neither does lust apply exclusively to SEXUAL desire.
Lust is ANY intense desire or appetite - be it for sex, illicit sex, power, money, fame, prominence; an uncontroled, excessive, or overmastering hunger, yearning or craving for something . To "lust after", means to pursue the gratification of one's own selfish desires.
The passage you cited is speaking of lust in the all-inclusive context, with no specific relevance to homosexuality.
Actually, the passage perfectly describes the self-called REAL Christians here. Of course, you won't even consider that could true. But that's because it is.

Darby: 3 For the time shall be when they will not bear sound teaching; but according to their own lusts will heap up to themselves teachers, having an itching ear; 4 and they will turn away their ear from the truth, and will have turned aside to fables

Young's: 3 for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing, 4 and indeed, from the truth the hearing they shall turn away, and to the fables they shall be turned aside._Young's

Wycliffe: 3 For time shall be, when men shall not suffer wholesome teaching, but at their desires they shall gather together to themselves masters itching to the ears.[Forsooth time shall be, when men shall not sustain whole doctrine, but at their desires, they shall gather together to themselves masters itching, or pleasing, to the ears.] 4 And truly they shall turn away the hearing from truth, but to fables they shall turn.[And truly they shall turn away their hearing from truth, but to fables they shall be turned together.]

3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths.

Lust definition
SINFUL LONGING; the inward sin which leads to the falling away from God (Rom. 1:21). "Lust, the origin of sin, has its place in the heart, not of necessity, but because it is the centre of all moral forces and impulses and of spiritual activity." In Mark 4:19 "lusts" are objects of desire.

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#46 Mar 14, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Any church that goes against the Word of God is NOT Christian. They are being led by Satan, their so-called "pastors" are straight from the pit of Hell. I want NO part of the church of Satan.
Satan's church may go against the Word of God, but REAL Christian churches will NOT.
A BIG AMEN!!

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#48 Mar 14, 2013
Sparklestrips4u wrote:
<quoted text>could you please provide just one... just one piece of verifiable evidence that your god exists... just one!!!!!!! i mean you have had like over 2000 years to find it
I have been ask this question 1000 time or more and I give the same answer! One word tells the story and that word is "Prophecy", there is only one God FACT!!

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#53 Mar 14, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>I have been ask this question 1000 time or more and I give the same answer! One word tells the story and that word is "Prophecy", there is only one God FACT!!
Hmmmm..........you mean goat herding fortune tellers.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#56 Mar 14, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>Your rights means nothing to God FACT! Everyone on this earth will face God on Judgment Day FACT. And all sinners will be put into hell for there sinful lifestyle FACT. If anyone don't want to go to hell forever they better turn toward Jesus in truth or pay for it the hard way FACT. What you say or think means nothing to God, there is one born FACT "get right or else"....
Nothing you say is "FACT" when you are trying to speak FOR God!!!

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#59 Mar 14, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
Uh-huh, so as I have said before, it's a "have it your way" religion.
Exactly. The very definition of religous freedom!

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#60 Mar 14, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
Religious freedom is the rights for everyone in this country. But when it comes to the LGBT rights there is no such rights in the eyes of God. There may be laws in this country that give the LGBT there right. But those people who pass laws like that will answer to God FACT! Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13,! Corinthians 6:9,10, sin is sin and this kind of lifestyle will burn in hell "FACT"!!
But you have not advocated for religious freedom with this post. You actually want religious orthodoxy, conformity.

FYI: There is no Leviticus or Corinthians found in my religious texts. Hell, there isn't even a god mentioned. FACT!!

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#61 Mar 14, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
Religious freedom is the rights for everyone in this country. But when it comes to the LGBT rights there is no such rights in the eyes of God. There may be laws in this country that give the LGBT there right. But those people who pass laws like that will answer to God FACT! Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13,! Corinthians 6:9,10, sin is sin and this kind of lifestyle will burn in hell "FACT"!!
There are many sins people make. Why is it that we legislate this one but we dont force people to live christian morality on other subjects. Adultery is legal, coveting your neighbors wife is very legal, We are legally allowed to have other gods and or no god, we carve images that look like angels, God's name is legally used in vain every day, Etc.

The fact is the only Sin you people worry about is homosexuality. This being so maybe yall are sinning by assuming its the only sin god cares about?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#62 Mar 21, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>"Does the Bible err on how many legs insects have?"
http://www.tektonics.org/af/buglegs.html
Trying to dazzle me with BS doesn't change the fact that a leg is a leg. Putting faith in an ancient dumbass that can't figure out something that simple is hilarious.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#63 Mar 22, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Being homosexual is not a sin.
According to whom? You, a child of Satan?

"will not inherit the kingdom of God" "nor homosexuals" "nor sodomites"

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

You are a messenger of Satan. Are you Catholic or are you embarrassed/ashamed to tell us?

“Even an Ice Princess can melt.”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#64 Mar 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
According to whom? You, a child of Satan?
"will not inherit the kingdom of God" "nor homosexuals" "nor sodomites"
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
You are a messenger of Satan. Are you Catholic or are you embarrassed/ashamed to tell us?
I have a question? Is homosexuality the only sin worth fighting against. Has god sought fit to forgive all other sins but has called his followers to try to make homosexuality and transsexualism Illegal?

I ask this because there are so many other sins people could be fighting against. I would gather to say one of the which is also listed as a deadly sin would be gluttony. However I Don't see any one in the church fighting to control how much food we eat. Yet i do see people trying to legislate who we have sex with or how we express ourselves.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#65 Mar 22, 2013
Roisia wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a question? Is homosexuality the only sin worth fighting against.
Absolutely not. It just comes up most often.
Jake

Chesapeake, OH

#66 Mar 22, 2013
Roisia wrote:
<quoted text>I have a question? Is homosexuality the only sin worth fighting against. Has god sought fit to forgive all other sins but has called his followers to try to make homosexuality and transsexualism Illegal?

I ask this because there are so many other sins people could be fighting against. I would gather to say one of the which is also listed as a deadly sin would be gluttony. However I Don't see any one in the church fighting to control how much food we eat. Yet i do see people trying to legislate who we have sex with or how we express ourselves.
STFU, you're an lDlOT

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#67 Mar 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
According to whom? You, a child of Satan?
"will not inherit the kingdom of God" "nor homosexuals" "nor sodomites"
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
You are a messenger of Satan. Are you Catholic or are you embarrassed/ashamed to tell us?
In the discussion below, we begin with a statement on homosexuality written by the foremost modern authority on the Book of Leviticus, Rabbi Jacob Milgrom. Following that very interesting statement, will be added the opinions and viewpoints of Rabbi Steinberg-Caudill, followed by the opinion of his teacher and Rav, Rabbi Gershon Winkler. That opinion is then followed with an article by Rabbi Michael Lerner.

That we may disagree on minor issues related to this very important subject is to be expected. In fact, Judaism encourages sincere dispute and amicable dialogue. It is our obligation as Jews to question and wrestle with the use of these Torah texts in the continued discrimination of gays and lesbians. And, it is most important to see where we agree, not so much where we disagree.

The four Bible scholars and teachers quoted below have each come to a slightly different conclusion about whether homosexuality is actually prohibited in the text and time period of the Torah.

* Rabbi Jacob Milgrom says that, YES, the Bible prohibits homosexual behavior. However, only in the land of Israel and only for males, and, possibly, only in certain interfamily relationships.

* Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill believes that the so-called "homosexual" act in the Bible that is prohibited is actually an act of HETEROSEXUAL SUBSTITUTION of a male in place of a female by a heterosexual male, and, possibly, may even need to be done in an idolatrous worship scenario.

Rabbi Steinberg-Caudill posits that even if Moses taught that God did command against homosexuality in the Torah (which Rabbi Steinberg-Caudill does not believe that God did), that command, like other commandments that Moses claimed as God given Torah commands, such as the command to kill the "stubborn and rebellious" son (Deuteronomy 21: 18-21), the rabbis negated totally a century after the beginning of the Christian era. The Talmudic rabbis declared that God did not say such a command through Moses. Similarly, any vestige of a supposed Torah prohibition against homosexuality also would need to be negated for this new day and age.

Rabbi Steinberg-Caudill believes that the Hebrew word that orginally conveyed the concept of what we today refer to as "homosexual" is the word &#1505;&#1512;&#14 97;&#1505; (saris), commonly translated "eunuch".

Simply put, homosexuality is defined as a man desiring another man for his sexual partner. In ancient times, a eunuch was chosen to guard the king's harem. The eunuch could be trusted to guard a king's harem, often because he had been castrated and could not produce offspring.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html

TwoCents:
You already know what my faith is.
You already know that my faith states that being homosexual is not a sin.

“Don't steal my happy”

Since: Aug 12

Shelbyville, Ky.

#68 Mar 22, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely not. It just comes up most often.
I don't think so genius. Let's take the gluttony issue, there's so many more people that are obese than homosexual. Not to mention it's much easier to walk down the street and see obesity than it is to see homosexuality. So are you gonna try to say that fat people can't marry each other now?

Pretentious Christians should just learn to keep God out of their mouths.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#69 Mar 22, 2013
Jake wrote:
<quoted text>
STFU, you're an lDlOT
You practice saying that in the mirror before you typed it, right? [email protected]=)
reality

Brazil

#70 Mar 22, 2013
1 John, Chapter 5
001: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
002: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
003: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
004: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
005: Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
006: This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
007: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
008: And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
009: If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
010: He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
011: And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
012: He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
013: These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
014: And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
015: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
016: If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
017: All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
018: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
019: And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
020: And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
021: Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#71 Mar 22, 2013
Ever notice that after Paul had his revelation from Jesus he stopped persecuting the people he used to condemn?

Ever wonder why his followers refuse to follow his example?
John from Texas

Kladno, Czech Republic

#72 Mar 22, 2013
Genesis, Chapter 18
001: And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
002: And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
003: And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
004: Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
005: And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
006: And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
007: And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
008: And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
009: And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
010: And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
011: Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.
012: Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
013: And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
014: Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
015: Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
016: And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
017: And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
018: Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
019: For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

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