Rochester covering workers' gender re...

Rochester covering workers' gender reassignment

There are 182 comments on the WCAX-TV Burlington story from May 18, 2014, titled Rochester covering workers' gender reassignment. In it, WCAX-TV Burlington reports that:

Rochester, New York officials say their city will extend transition-related health coverage to transgender and gender non-conforming municipal employees.

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Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#155 Aug 7, 2014
No , No I don't! But I didn't think I was. There are so few of us and we don't have infectious diseases out of proportion to the rest of the population.
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
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weak arguement there ...
the american public doesn't want these illegals, but the government has sold the people out by allowing them in.
Do you really wanna put the transgender community in the same light as the illegal aliens?
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#156 Aug 7, 2014
Oh, and a huge number of cancer patients go on smoking. And a huge number of addicts go on using after State very expensive rehab. And a huge number of felons re-offend. And fat people go on with unhealthy eating. Your post is asinine and prejudicial.
Ha Ha wrote:
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Although you may feel that it creates a quality of life issue for you, it is still NOT life threatening. It’s still an ELECTIVE surgery ... pay for it out of your own pocket.
If I have a heart attack, my medical insurance pays for it, not the government.
One more point ... once you start taking government money for your health issues, the government then has a say in how you live your life ... because they have a vested interest in you.
Once they pay for your operation, they may decide who you can have sex with, and how often. After all, they paid for your sex change, how can they trust you not to damage thier investment with AIDS, VD or just excessive wear and tear from too much abuse.
You man say that I sound crazy, but look at Bloomberg's 16 oz soda campaign and it's relation to public financed health care ... remember the "strain on the system" argument!

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#157 Aug 7, 2014
Just some definitions that surround alot of transgender topics

Bigotry is the state of mind of someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Bigot: someone who sticks to a rigid set of beliefs in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary .

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).

The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts.

Hater
Hater is a derogatory term used to describe people who are derogatory towards people. Haters behave as such not out of jealousy, but out of the need to reduce the target of hatred’s standing. The term is often used as an abusive ad hominem attack to dismiss any negative criticism. It is also often commits the fallacy of begging the question as it exempts the abusive use of the word hater from being considered hateful by assuming it's reasonable and the criticism made by the supposed hater is not.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#158 Aug 7, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
Oh, and a huge number of cancer patients go on smoking. And a huge number of addicts go on using after State very expensive rehab. And a huge number of felons re-offend. And fat people go on with unhealthy eating. Your post is asinine and prejudicial.
<quoted text>
I don't see how that post was prejudicial.
Feel free to quote me, and explain the prejudice.
Simply put, MY tax dollars pay for this, so I have the right to agree or disagree with how MY money is spent!

As for asinine, yes ... I agree with you.
Keep in mind, that bloomberg wanted to limit NYers to 16oz because of the burden of obisity on heathcare. How far off do you think it is that the government will decide that they paid for your sex change, so they will interfere with your sex life.
So yeah, I agree with you that it is asinine, but it IS happening.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#160 Aug 7, 2014
Annaleigh wrote:
Just some definitions that surround alot of transgender topics
Bigotry is the state of mind of someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
Bigot: someone who sticks to a rigid set of beliefs in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary .
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).
The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts.
Hater
Hater is a derogatory term used to describe people who are derogatory towards people. Haters behave as such not out of jealousy, but out of the need to reduce the target of hatred’s standing. The term is often used as an abusive ad hominem attack to dismiss any negative criticism. It is also often commits the fallacy of begging the question as it exempts the abusive use of the word hater from being considered hateful by assuming it's reasonable and the criticism made by the supposed hater is not.
Thanks for posting this ...

I can apply all these definitions to the militant, intolerant transgender activists who treat anyone who disagrees as a less than human enemy. Regardless of the reason for the dissent.

They are bigoted in their name calling,

They display ignorance in their arguments, as they can't apply a factual proof or logical arguments ... they just rely name calling.

And they are the meanest haters ... relentless in shouting down opposition!

Thanks for helping me prove my point.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#161 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
Under our "Collectivized" medical system, we pay for everything else, so why not! It's alot cheaper and less prevalent than a heart attack, cancer, or the tuberculosus being brought here by illegals.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
I work, so I don't use the "Collectivized" medical system, I just pay into it.
The "Collectivized" medical system doesn't pay for MY medical bills, I do.
I pay for my bills, and I pay for everybody else that either can't or WON'T pay ... and now YOU wanna add your bills to my tax burden because you're just a small group?

NY state has a health surcharge that takes 9% of EVERY New Yorker’s bill as a tax to pay for the uninsured ... last year they collected over 2.8 BILLION dollars.(And yet, we still need Obamacare to pay for the uninsured.)

That was enough money ALREADY collected by the state to pay for medical issues for those who can’t pay. However, politicians siphoned off quite a bit of this money to use for their re-elections.
If your small group wants the money already collected to pay for your medical needs, you should focus you attacks on the corruption in Albany!
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#162 Aug 7, 2014
There is one point you are making that IS IMPORTANT: the lack of consequences. For instance, I know a family of twelve children, none have the same father. Why should our taxes go for someones hot time? A lot of govt. help is truly needed. But who watches out for the tax-payer? Nadda. Zip. On this point we agree
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see how that post was prejudicial.
Feel free to quote me, and explain the prejudice.
Simply put, MY tax dollars pay for this, so I have the right to agree or disagree with how MY money is spent!
As for asinine, yes ... I agree with you.
Keep in mind, that bloomberg wanted to limit NYers to 16oz because of the burden of obisity on heathcare. How far off do you think it is that the government will decide that they paid for your sex change, so they will interfere with your sex life.
So yeah, I agree with you that it is asinine, but it IS happening.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#163 Aug 7, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
There is one point you are making that IS IMPORTANT: the lack of consequences. For instance, I know a family of twelve children, none have the same father. Why should our taxes go for someones hot time? A lot of govt. help is truly needed. But who watches out for the tax-payer? Nadda. Zip. On this point we agree
<quoted text>
"A lot of govt. help is truly needed."
WHY?!?!

I would think that if the mother couldn't afford to feed her first baby ... she wouldn't have another one.
Govenment intervention is what enabled her to repeat the problem 12 times.

But honestly, I am interested in what part of what I said was prejudice.
feel free to make your point.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#164 Aug 7, 2014
I don't mean to be patronizing to you. Believe me, we're closer on this issue than you think.
However, I see this from another prospective. I know what Transexuals go through. Denying surgery to a Transexual is a virtual death sentence or at the least, you're sentencing her to a life of alcoholism or drug addiction, terminating in a suicide. So much for your "Elective surgery"!
In 1959, I needed a spinal fusion operation for my scoliosis (My woman's disease)! My father paid for it, period. It was $2000 + a small amount. In 1988, My daughter needed the same operation. Now it cost $20,000! What was the difference? In 1959 my father had no insurance (neither did anyone else). In 1988, just about everyone had insurance and the prices went up so no one could afford anything. "After all, the insurance will pay for it!" And the doctors just kept grabbin and grabbing! Now you can barely afford an emergency room visit. So how's an unemployable Transexual going to pay for it? She isn't! And you know that! You will be effectively condemning her to death or a living hell on a fine technical point that the professionals don't agree with you on.
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
I work, so I don't use the "Collectivized" medical system, I just pay into it.
The "Collectivized" medical system doesn't pay for MY medical bills, I do.
I pay for my bills, and I pay for everybody else that either can't or WON'T pay ... and now YOU wanna add your bills to my tax burden because you're just a small group?
NY state has a health surcharge that takes 9% of EVERY New Yorker’s bill as a tax to pay for the uninsured ... last year they collected over 2.8 BILLION dollars.(And yet, we still need Obamacare to pay for the uninsured.)
That was enough money ALREADY collected by the state to pay for medical issues for those who can’t pay. However, politicians siphoned off quite a bit of this money to use for their re-elections.
If your small group wants the money already collected to pay for your medical needs, you should focus you attacks on the corruption in Albany!
Angie Cable

Fairport, NY

#166 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I don't mean to be patronizing to you. Believe me, we're closer on this issue than you think.
However, I see this from another prospective. I know what Transexuals go through. Denying surgery to a Transexual is a virtual death sentence or at the least, you're sentencing her to a life of alcoholism or drug addiction, terminating in a suicide. So much for your "Elective surgery"!
In 1959, I needed a spinal fusion operation for my scoliosis (My woman's disease)! My father paid for it, period. It was $2000 + a small amount. In 1988, My daughter needed the same operation. Now it cost $20,000! What was the difference? In 1959 my father had no insurance (neither did anyone else). In 1988, just about everyone had insurance and the prices went up so no one could afford anything. "After all, the insurance will pay for it!" And the doctors just kept grabbin and grabbing! Now you can barely afford an emergency room visit. So how's an unemployable Transexual going to pay for it? She isn't! And you know that! You will be effectively condemning her to death or a living hell on a fine technical point that the professionals don't agree with you on.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
No one is denying you surgery ... Go ahead and get the surgery ... but pay for it yourself.

You seem to think that there is a money tree with endless supply of money that can be used for anything or anyone.
The money on the money tree grows by forcefully taking it from the minority of working people.
Taxpayers aren't required to pay for everyone who suffers, because everyone is suffering.
The well just isn't that deep!

Everyone is struggling to reach the things that make them happy and whole in life.
There are many people never reach their goal in life, but they work to get as close as they can afford.

You may never be happy until you are a man ... but someone with a good paying job will never reach their goal in life because he has to sacifice his goals to feed yours.

And all because you don't wanna work for it.

Keep in mind, your suffering means nothing to me if MY kids have to suffer because you took my money.
Angie Cable

Fairport, NY

#167 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I don't mean to be patronizing to you. Believe me, we're closer on this issue than you think.
However, I see this from another prospective. I know what Transexuals go through. Denying surgery to a Transexual is a virtual death sentence or at the least, you're sentencing her to a life of alcoholism or drug addiction, terminating in a suicide. So much for your "Elective surgery"!
In 1959, I needed a spinal fusion operation for my scoliosis (My woman's disease)! My father paid for it, period. It was $2000 + a small amount. In 1988, My daughter needed the same operation. Now it cost $20,000! What was the difference? In 1959 my father had no insurance (neither did anyone else). In 1988, just about everyone had insurance and the prices went up so no one could afford anything. "After all, the insurance will pay for it!" And the doctors just kept grabbin and grabbing! Now you can barely afford an emergency room visit. So how's an unemployable Transexual going to pay for it? She isn't! And you know that! You will be effectively condemning her to death or a living hell on a fine technical point that the professionals don't agree with you on.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
That burden of increased health costs effects everyone.
All the doctor visits, hospital visits and other medical things my family needs cost a considerable amount to me. And I pay for my own medical costs, and as I pay for my medical bills, the state takes 9% to pay for others.
Any money that is taken from my family causes that same stress to fester in my family.
My kids can’t afford college because you took my money.
They end up unable to get a job because they don’t have an education.
Being unable to work and provide for themselves or their family leads them to drink, use drugs and even suicide.

Your rationalized demand for someone else to pay for your medical coverage is amazing to me.
You’re just passing the buck of suffering on to someone else, and you’re ok with that.
But I’m a bigot for saying otherwise?

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#168 Aug 8, 2014
We can go round and round on this! Much much less is spent on Transexual surgery than is spent on bad hearts,(From eating too much fat) cancers,(again, bad diet) and various other ailments and accidents. I remind you, How is a semi-transitioned girl going to get a job to pay for it when no one will hire a semi-transitioned TS? So your "Work for it!" is BS. Another insurmountable obstacle thrown up to frustrate us even more! Your "No one is denying you surgery!" is a half truth at best. In most states, If you begin Transition on the job, you get fired. I myself was forced out of the best job I ever had because I was perceived as Gay. I'm not Gay, I'm Transexual, but the person harrassing me neither knew or cared about the difference. How do you save money under those circumstances? De Facto Denial of surgery! Oh and BTW, I'm M to F, not F to M.
Regards, Terri
Angie Cable wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying you surgery ... Go ahead and get the surgery ... but pay for it yourself.
You seem to think that there is a money tree with endless supply of money that can be used for anything or anyone.
The money on the money tree grows by forcefully taking it from the minority of working people.
Taxpayers aren't required to pay for everyone who suffers, because everyone is suffering.
The well just isn't that deep!
Everyone is struggling to reach the things that make them happy and whole in life.
There are many people never reach their goal in life, but they work to get as close as they can afford.
You may never be happy until you are a man ... but someone with a good paying job will never reach their goal in life because he has to sacifice his goals to feed yours.
And all because you don't wanna work for it.
Keep in mind, your suffering means nothing to me if MY kids have to suffer because you took my money.
RFCBF

Rochester, NY

#169 Aug 8, 2014
Angie Cable wrote:
<quoted text>
That burden of increased health costs effects everyone.
All the doctor visits, hospital visits and other medical things my family needs cost a considerable amount to me. And I pay for my own medical costs, and as I pay for my medical bills, the state takes 9% to pay for others.
Any money that is taken from my family causes that same stress to fester in my family.
My kids can’t afford college because you took my money.
They end up unable to get a job because they don’t have an education.
Being unable to work and provide for themselves or their family leads them to drink, use drugs and even suicide.
Your rationalized demand for someone else to pay for your medical coverage is amazing to me.
You’re just passing the buck of suffering on to someone else, and you’re ok with that.
But I’m a bigot for saying otherwise?
Don't waste your time because Terry E is a professional poster/troll, he/she will twist, spin and lie" it's" butt off to push "it's" agenda. "Terry E" trolls the internet looking sites where he/she can attack anything "it" thinks is anti gay then go into full attack mode, seen "it" do it many times before. Good luck.
Ha Ha

Waltham, MA

#172 Aug 8, 2014
RFCBF wrote:
<quoted text> Don't waste your time because Terry E is a professional poster/troll, he/she will twist, spin and lie" it's" butt off to push "it's" agenda. "Terry E" trolls the internet looking sites where he/she can attack anything "it" thinks is anti gay then go into full attack mode, seen "it" do it many times before. Good luck.
I think you're right because no amount of logic can sway her/ his position

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#173 Aug 9, 2014
Terry E is a M to F Transexual, who is trying to educate a lot of people on just what Transexualism is and is not. My background is that is was adopted into a middle class family as a baby and I grew up knowing something was wrong, but back then you didn't say what it was because it was a one way ticket to the asylum. So you kept it quiet and suffered in silence. I had a Mensa level IQ and I dropped out of HS. I drank too much! If drugs had been as available as they are now, I would be addicted. I fought a lot. I hated life! I thought often about suicide. By the mid sixties, more and more TSes came out and gave me hope. All the while, I kept looking for distractions, Fast boats, fast cars, even a pilot's license and my own plane. All of it worked for a while and then it didn't work any more and I moved on to something else. All the while knowing what I really wanted, but couldn't bring myself to do it. That's it in a nutshell! I'm not a "Professional" advocate for Transexuals in their plight. I don't get paid for this! Politically, I'm right of center, this is the only subject I'm even mildly "left" on. But why should your medical problems be decided on someone's political stance? We're talking about curing or not curing them. It's easy to deny them to avoid paying for them. But once that gets started, we'll be "Qualifying" every medical problem and be granting cures to only those we feel are deserving and brushing all the others away with a wave of the hand saying "It's all in your head!". I hope I've explained myself well enough.
Regards, Terri
RFCBF wrote:
<quoted text> Don't waste your time because Terry E is a professional poster/troll, he/she will twist, spin and lie" it's" butt off to push "it's" agenda. "Terry E" trolls the internet looking sites where he/she can attack anything "it" thinks is anti gay then go into full attack mode, seen "it" do it many times before. Good luck.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#174 Aug 9, 2014
So What?!?
You tell me a sob story, and I’m supposed to give you the money that I worked for?
I grew up with my own sob stories.
I know plenty of folks who had it worse than you or me, and they aren't asking for a handout!

Your story about losing the best job you ever had due to discrimination … did you go after the individuals or the company for allowing it?
It sounds like you have a good case, and I am sure you could get a settlement large enough to get your surgery!
Or was that too much work for you? Was it too much effort?
You could have changed that company’s attitude so that other TGs who went there after you did not have to suffer!

But no, you’d rather try your hand stealing from the taxpayers.
Any sympathy I felt for you and your sob story was gone when I realized you aren’t’ willing to work for it or fight for what is right. You’re just one more grievance group looking for a handout.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#175 Aug 9, 2014
The heart of the matter is whether or not it is a legitimate medical problem needing medical attention! And the experts have said that it is! So, Like it or not, you'll pay for it. About the Job, It happened a long time ago. If it happened today, I'd sue, but then, you couldn't get a lawyer to take the case. So he got away with it! Nothing I could do about it!
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
So What?!?
You tell me a sob story, and I’m supposed to give you the money that I worked for?
I grew up with my own sob stories.
I know plenty of folks who had it worse than you or me, and they aren't asking for a handout!
Your story about losing the best job you ever had due to discrimination … did you go after the individuals or the company for allowing it?
It sounds like you have a good case, and I am sure you could get a settlement large enough to get your surgery!
Or was that too much work for you? Was it too much effort?
You could have changed that company’s attitude so that other TGs who went there after you did not have to suffer!
But no, you’d rather try your hand stealing from the taxpayers.
Any sympathy I felt for you and your sob story was gone when I realized you aren’t’ willing to work for it or fight for what is right. You’re just one more grievance group looking for a handout.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#176 Aug 9, 2014
TerryE wrote:
The heart of the matter is whether or not it is a legitimate medical problem needing medical attention! And the experts have said that it is! So, Like it or not, you'll pay for it. About the Job, It happened a long time ago. If it happened today, I'd sue, but then, you couldn't get a lawyer to take the case. So he got away with it! Nothing I could do about it!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
I am surprised that with all the suffering you claim to have had to endure, how quick you are to pass suffering on to others. How very selfless of you!

You know that asking the government to take control of your problem creates the environment for the crooks in office to steal from the masses.

For example; over the last 50 years, the government took money out of every working person’s payroll for social security. It was taken involuntarily with the kiss and a promise that you would get it back when you were older.
But the politicians have raided that money, and there is nothing left to pay all those people who are now becoming eligible to receive that money back.
Now these politicians are struggling to come up with excuses to hide their theft!
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/democrat-...

The number of people on Medicaid outnumbers the entire population of UK & France combined!
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72600000-reco...
And with all those people on the program, how many do you think are taking money that haven’t qualified for it?
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer...

The US takes IN a total of 2.5 trillion dollars in tax revenue every year.
The US pays a total of 2.07 trillion dollars in entitlements (welfare, medicaid, medicare, SS) every year.
Once you add in the cost of running the government, military spending and spying on the general population … the US spends over 3.4 trillion a year.

That means we BORROW 0.9 TRILLION DOLLARS a year just to break even.

How long do you think the US will be able to maintain this spending spree?

Why are you so quick to add your all those people in your greivence gorup to the dept?
Don't you know how this will effect the people who are paying into it?
Don;t you understand that this debt effects every american in the country when the US finally defaults?

If you want government tax dollars so bad, why don't you try becoming a crusader to fight the fraud, waste and abuse in government ... if you were sucessful at that, you would be able to free up government money to fund the TG agenda without putting a burden on the people who pay the bills!

But no, you just want the money without having to do any work for it!
You're just another selfish, self serving greivence group looking for a handout!
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#177 Aug 9, 2014
TerryE wrote:
So, Like it or not, you'll pay for it.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
It think it's funny how once you started losing this arguement, all the gracious appologies to the taxpayers go out the window. You start talking like it's a done deal and how we will just have to deal with paying for your elective surgery.

Go ahead with your smug comments, because once you piss off all those people who are paying for it (also known as voters), Warren will end up a one term mayor and the next guy will win with a campain of reducing spending by cutting off the free handouts.

You better hurry up and apply for a city job so you can get your free handout while it lasts!

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#178 Aug 9, 2014
You'll be relieved to know that I don't live any where near Rochester. and I don't plan to move just for this. But you'll be sad to know that according to a recent court discision, Medicare is going to pay for it. So it doesn't matter what you or I think. It is a done deal. Turn Muslim if it pleases you. I know you think this is going to run your taxes out through the roof, but you have far bigger fish to fry. If.....If Rochester get's more than one a year, I'd say it was alot. In fact, one a year after the first year would be a lot. There are estimated to be only fifty thousand fully transitioned TSes in the fifty states, since 1955. Or less than a thousand a year nationwide. And I know that very few live in Rochester. So I wouldn't worry about it too much! I'd be worried about the cops getting too much overtime, or the inspection dept with their little scams.
Regards,Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
It think it's funny how once you started losing this arguement, all the gracious appologies to the taxpayers go out the window. You start talking like it's a done deal and how we will just have to deal with paying for your elective surgery.
Go ahead with your smug comments, because once you piss off all those people who are paying for it (also known as voters), Warren will end up a one term mayor and the next guy will win with a campain of reducing spending by cutting off the free handouts.
You better hurry up and apply for a city job so you can get your free handout while it lasts!

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