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Chattanooga voters repeal civil rights for LGBT city employees as well as partner benefits

There are 294 comments on the Seattle Gay News story from Aug 8, 2014, titled Chattanooga voters repeal civil rights for LGBT city employees as well as partner benefits. In it, Seattle Gay News reports that:

Preliminary results from Chattanooga, Tennessee indicate that the city's residents have voted to repeal a city ordinance that extended essential non-discrimination protections to the city's LGBT employees, as well as partner benefits for those who have same-sex spouses.

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#25 Aug 14, 2014
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If you don't like being called a homophobe, then stop being one.
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Every respected medical and mental-health organization on the planet agrees that homosexuality is most certainly NOT an "aberrant social pathology", and that it is perfectly natural and isn't a choice and poses no threat whatsoever to anyone. Since these organizations all have the peer-reviewed research to back it all up, I'll gladly take their word for it over the word of a willfully ignorant bigot like you any old day of the week.
You're wrong of course, but I'll be happy to review these journals as quickly as you may provide them. I do wish to assure you I carry no bigotry for anyone, except really stupid people. I hope you're not one too...it could ruin everything.

I grew up in the theatrical industry and worked with many homosexuals, several of whom I continue to befriend, etcetera. I also have a homosexual family member I love and care about. Surely, my first career alone represents more genuine understanding of this aberration than an average person could possibly accrue in tens of lifetimes. Did you ever have a friend or relative do something you hated, yet discovered you still loved them? I have friends who do things all the time that I truly hate, but I still care about them. There's a hidden reciprocity here which you may not see, or you may be unwilling to see. The continuum of non-hostility works when neither camp attempts to forcefully overthrow the other. I hold a biblical world view and share with all, but I'm wise to understand no-one has ever been coerced into loving God's son. Conversely, non-homosexuals cannot be forced to support, respect or promote and finance that which they abhor. This is the distinction you pretend doesn't exist. LGBT is a militant organization steering a pernicious agenda against Americans in a most vicious and menacing way.

You need to know that homosexuality isn't the largest area of my outreach work. It's substantial, but not the largest. You've wrongly called me a bigot, but I'm very sure I'm not, so.... I've considered your mistake is attributable to much greater personal stupidity than was indicated in your post....but that disposition would make me a bigot!

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#26 Aug 14, 2014
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"Well, FYI, no, I am no such thing, I am EXTREMELY INDEPENDENT. I am the epitome of independent thinking. I LISTEN TO all sides, but I am the one who makes the final decision. If everyone else were going to jump off a bridge, I would say do what yall want, but count me out."

Well, your "Independence" isn't worth very much to your friends and neither is your final decision. If my friends were threatening to jump off a bridge, I don't think I'd endorse the idea with "do what yall want, but count me out." Have Mom send your cape to the cleaners...and stay off those bridges! Thank God the only final decisions you make are your own.

I was thinkin'.....none of my friends ever threatened to jump off of anything!

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Your post makes me wish ignorance were painful, then there would be a lot less of it.
Why wish for that which already is, my Prince? You are already poetic evidence that ignorance is painful. In your case, we might even liken it to the experience of emergency lobotomy while surgically removing every single bodily appendage without mercies of anesthesia.

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#28 Aug 14, 2014
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Well, your "Independence" isn't worth very much to your friends and neither is your final decision. If my friends were threatening to jump off a bridge, I don't think I'd endorse the idea with "do what yall want, but count me out." Have Mom send your cape to the cleaners...and stay off those bridges! Thank God the only final decisions you make are your own.
I was thinkin'.....none of my friends ever threatened to jump off of anything!
It was a figure of speach. I don't think I've ever actually been in such a situation.

Although come to think of it, if it literally happened, that's probably how I would handle it, in fact I'm sure I would.

Yes, I would try to talk them out of it. And if that didn't work, I'd probably be like "WTF? Are you off you're record? That's nuckin' futs!!! What are you thinking?" I would try. And I would offer my advice so long as the person is willing to receive it (which is fair, for both parties).

However, at the end of it all, it is that person's decision to make. Not mine. I am responsible for me, and that person is responsible for themself. Therefore it is not my place to assert, no matter who, no matter what, no matter how much I care about them. It is that person's decision to make.

But yeah of course I would try to help, as long as they are willing. Other then that, I just have to turn it over to my Higher Power.

Oh and btw, I said I'd go into my religious beliefs if someone else brought it up. What I'm gonna do instead is just post a link.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hiawassee-ga/...

And just one more thing:

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
...non-homosexuals...
The only way for that to be correct would be to say ANTI-homosexuals.

Whether or not a person IS gay (or ANYTHING ELSE, for that matter), has absolutely nothing, whatsoever to do with whether they support it or not. In fact, as I always say, homophobic gays are not unherd of, as weird and bizarre is it sounds!!!

As a quick example: It's the SAME EXACT principal as "Non-Smoker" verses "Anti-Smoker" (I thought I had a link, but I can't find it so I guess I'll have to freehand this)

Long-story short, it is not a NON-Smoker who cares less if a person smokes right next to them. It is a ANTI-Smoker who does.

Which I'm not saying that anything is wrong with that, necessarily. Long story short, their should be places it's alloud and places it's not, but that's all way beside my point.

And I'm not trying to change the topic; I'll post links to other threads if anyone wants to discuss that issue further.

My point is that what you ARE verses what you SEEK (or "prefer", or even "tolerate" fits with those) are 2 completely different "questions".

Whether a person does or does not do something (or is or is not something) is COMPLETELY SEPERATE from what they feel about it.

So whether or not a person is gay or not, is therefore not jermaine to that person supporting LGBT Rights, or not.

Sorry if this seams like I'm nitpicking, but that is EXTREMELY important. I absolutely had to point that out to the readers, to be sure that everybody understands that.

Again, it doesn't just apply to this one issue, it applies to EVERYTHING!!! For example, the Smokers Rights (or Tobacco Control if you prefer) example I just mentioned. And of course this one (LGBT), and a million others I could go into, although I won't, because I think I maid my point. Plus I'm almost out of room.

So, to reiterate right quick, what you are is one "question", and what you want, seek, prefer, or tolerate is another "question". They are both separate and are not required to intersect (although of course they can and do, for some people, in some cases, of course), however one is not necessarily jermaine too the other.

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#29 Aug 14, 2014
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It was a figure of speach. I don't think I've ever actually been in such a situation.
Although come to think of it, if it literally happened, that's probably how I would handle it, in fact I'm sure I would.
Yes, I would try to talk them out of it. And if that didn't work, I'd probably be like "WTF? Are you off you're record? That's nuckin' futs!!! What are you thinking?" I would try. And I would offer my advice so long as the person is willing to receive it (which is fair, for both parties).
However, at the end of it all, it is that person's decision to make. Not mine. I am responsible for me, and that person is responsible for themself. Therefore it is not my place to assert, no matter who, no matter what, no matter how much I care about them. It is that person's decision to make.
But yeah of course I would try to help, as long as they are willing. Other then that, I just have to turn it over to my Higher Power.
Oh and btw, I said I'd go into my religious beliefs if someone else brought it up. What I'm gonna do instead is just post a link.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hiawassee-ga/...
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The only way for that to be correct would be to say ANTI-homosexuals.
Whether or not a person IS gay (or ANYTHING ELSE, for that matter), has absolutely nothing, whatsoever to do with whether they support it or not. In fact, as I always say, homophobic gays are not unherd of, as weird and bizarre is it sounds!!!
As a quick example: It's the SAME EXACT principal as "Non-Smoker" verses "Anti-Smoker" (I thought I had a link, but I can't find it so I guess I'll have to freehand this)
Long-story short, it is not a NON-Smoker who cares less if a person smokes right next to them. It is a ANTI-Smoker who does.

My point is that what you ARE verses what you SEEK (or "prefer", or even "tolerate" fits with those) are 2 completely different "questions".
Whether a person does or does not do something (or is or is not something) is COMPLETELY SEPERATE from what they feel about it.
So whether or not a person is gay or not, is therefore not jermaine to that person supporting LGBT Rights
It appears the salient point to your exhaustive introspection, if there is one, could be the following assertion...believe it or not!

EXERPT:

"So whether or not a person is gay or not, is therefore not jermaine to that person supporting LGBT Rights, or not."

It has always been a signature method of progressives to compartmentalize smaller frames of text and/or ideas so as to isolate an intended context or preferred connotation for their propaganda advantage.. This works well with stupid people, but not anyone else. The above sentence is a glaring example of seething hatred for even the most benign dissent from LGBT initiatives. As I explained earlier, you cannot accept the truth of it.

I might ask you to explain what could possibly motivate any reasonable, non-homosexual citizen to celebrate the opportunity to pay for so-called "gender-coaches" to indoctrinate their kindergarteners with discussion of trans-genderalism, same-sex marriage and other aspects of sexual deviance in a public school setting? I'll answer for you - Nothing!

In complete contravention to your assertion, no-one other than homosexuals or those supporting their nauseating agenda would choose for this to happen to their kids and grandkids. No-one gives a sh/t what happens in the demented privacy of a homosexual bedroom, but American mothers and fathers care about this kind of lunacy being forced upon their families. I say it's obscenity and child abuse!

CLICK TO WATCH THE CRIME OF CHILD ABUSE PERPETRATED AGAINST KINDERGARTENERS IN SCHOOL

VIDEO:http://bit.ly/1yCm960

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It was a figure of speach. I don't think I've ever actually been in such a situation.
Although come to think of it, if it literally happened, that's probably how I would handle it, in fact I'm sure I would.
Yes, I would try to talk them out of it. And if that didn't work, I'd probably be like "WTF? Are you off you're record? That's nuckin' futs!!! What are you thinking?" I would try. And I would offer my advice so long as the person is willing to receive it (which is fair, for both parties).
However, at the end of it all, it is that person's decision to make. Not mine. I am responsible for me, and that person is responsible for themself. Therefore it is not my place to assert, no matter who, no matter what, no matter how much I care about them. It is that person's decision to make.
But yeah of course I would try to help, as long as they are willing. Other then that, I just have to turn it over to my Higher Power.
Oh and btw, I said I'd go into my religious beliefs if someone else brought it up. What I'm gonna do instead is just post a link.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hiawassee-ga/...
And just one more thing:
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The only way for that to be correct would be to say ANTI-homosexuals.
Whether or not a person IS gay (or ANYTHING ELSE, for that matter), has absolutely nothing, whatsoever to do with whether they support it or not. In fact, as I always say, homophobic gays are not unherd of, as weird and bizarre is it sounds!!!
As a quick example: It's the SAME EXACT principal as "Non-Smoker" verses "Anti-Smoker" (I thought I had a link, but I can't find it so I guess I'll have to freehand this)
Long-story short, it is not a NON-Smoker who cares less if a person smokes right next to them. It is a ANTI-Smoker who does.
My point is that what you ARE verses what you SEEK (or "prefer", or even "tolerate" fits with those) are 2 completely different "questions".
Whether a person does or does not do something (or is or is not something) is COMPLETELY SEPERATE from what they feel about it.
So whether or not a person is gay or not, is therefore not jermaine to that person supporting LGBT Rights, or not.
It appears the salient point to your exhaustive introspection, if there is one, could be the following assertion...believe it or not!

EXERPT:

"So whether or not a person is gay or not, is therefore not jermaine to that person supporting LGBT Rights, or not."

It has always been a signature method of progressives to compartmentalize smaller frames of text and/or ideas so as to isolate an intended context or preferred connotation for their propaganda advantage.. This works well with stupid people, but not anyone else. The above sentence is a glaring example of seething hatred for even the most benign dissent from LGBT initiatives. As I explained earlier, you cannot accept the truth of it.

I might ask you to explain what could possibly motivate any reasonable, non-homosexual citizen to celebrate the opportunity to pay for so-called "gender-coaches" to indoctrinate their kindergarteners with discussion of trans-genderalism, same-sex marriage and other aspects of sexual deviance in a public school setting? I'll answer for you - Nothing!

In complete contravention to your assertion, no-one other than homosexuals or those supporting their nauseating agenda would choose for this to happen to their kids and grandkids. No-one gives a sh/t what happens in the demented privacy of a homosexual bedroom, but American mothers and fathers care about this kind of lunacy being forced upon their families. I say it's obscenity and child abuse!

CLICK TO WATCH THE CRIME OF CHILD ABUSE PERPETRATED AGAINST KINDERGARTENERS IN SCHOOL

VIDEO:http://bit.ly/1yCm960

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#31 Aug 14, 2014
VIDEO LINK FOR ABOVE POST

http://bit.ly/1yCm960

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#32 Aug 15, 2014
ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
It has always been a signature method of progressives to compartmentalize smaller frames of text and/or ideas so as to isolate an intended context or preferred connotation for their propaganda advantage.. This works well with stupid people, but not anyone else. The above sentence is a glaring example of seething hatred for even the most benign dissent from LGBT initiatives. As I explained earlier, you cannot accept the truth of it.
Not trying to be a smartellick, but I could not figure out exactly (specifically) what you were trying to say, in that paragraph. I read it about 5 times. I also saw this post the other day, I just didn't have time to post anymore. So I'm just gonna move on to the next part:

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
I might ask you to explain what could possibly motivate any reasonable, non-homosexual citizen to celebrate ...
The answer is very simple: It is because a person, a decent person, sees "the other guy" as EQUAL to themself.

To put it bluntly, if they will take rights away from gays, they will take them away from me also. Why would they not?

Let me put it this way: How would you feel if STRAIT MARRIAGE were outlawed?

Oh and btw, Bisexuals make up the overwhelming majority of people. People who are exclusively gynephillic (such as myself) are in the extreme minority, as are people who are exclusively androphillic.

Let's say, hypothetically, that Opposite-Sex Marriage were outlawed. For whatever reason. Let's say it had to do with Overpopulation, or whatever. Whatever the reason is, let's just say that OSM gets outlawed in a year or 2.

How would you feel about that? I know I would be madder then a wet hornet, myself. And with good reason! Right? Would that not be justified?

So please tell me how that is any different, whatsoever, from telling those people that they must accept less rights, simply because of what gender they are attracted to?

And THAT is why people, including people like me who are 100% STRAIT, which is actually abnormal, btw, most people are somewhere inbetween... Well, I'm probably SOMEWHERE, maybe 5%-10%, because it's like, I've never had any like "problems" from it or anything. And I enjoy being around people of all genders (and any other demographics), and even enjoy "people-watching" people of all genders, although I'm not SEXUALLY ATTRACTED to anyone who isn't female, doesn't look VERY female, and have all-female parts. So for all practical purposes, I am 100% strait.

And yeah, THAT is why people, including people who are completely strait, support LGBT Rights. It's just a simple mater of Do Unto Others As You Would Have Done Unto You.

Right? Am I wrong about that? If so please show me. I think I'm right, but if I'm wrong, I would rather know it then not. And I am one of the most open-minded people in existence. So yeah, if I'm wrong, then bi all means, show me specifically where I'm wrong, please.

ORIGINAL WILLARD wrote:
VIDEO:http://bit.ly/1yCm960
I'm gonna watch that vid. And the one someone posted about transgender people at McDonalds or something. However, I don't watch the vids on the site, I download them onto my hard drive, so that I can use timestretch, etc. And because YouTube's (and all the other video sites)'s interface pretty much sucks. And for a bunch of other reasons... I'll explain if anyone asks, or bettor yet, hear's a link:

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/miley-cyrus/TG... or Post #4 might explain it bettor, idk, what do yall think? Post #1 or Post #4 of that thread, to explain that?

Anyway yeah I'll watch those videos, whenever I download the next batch... possibly tonight (although I've already viewed the page for each of then, and red the descriptions, btw)

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#33 Aug 16, 2014
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Not trying to be a smartellick, but I could not figure out exactly (specifically) what you were
I find myself basically in agreement with you, live and let live (as long as no one gets hurt) seems to be the bottom line.

I didn't understand the Miley Cyrus bruhaha, just a lot of young people dressed colorfully and letting off a lot of excess energy. Good for them and no big deal. I had no interest in watching an hour plus to find out what the fuss and bother was all about, it's a nonissue to me.

Mr. Original seems to be picking apart the subtleties of the art of propaganda. I don't know why, I see both sides using it. Most of us try to stick to the facts, but our adjectives usually give is away. C'est la vie.

Same sex marriage, sexual orientation, or feeling good about who you are harms no one. It seems that some are not satisfied with that, you must be like them, your welfare and self esteem are not their concern. Sad.

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#34 Aug 17, 2014
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I find myself basically in agreement with you, live and let live (as long as no one gets hurt) seems to be the bottom line.
I didn't understand the Miley Cyrus bruhaha, just a lot of young people dressed colorfully and letting off a lot of excess energy. Good for them and no big deal. I had no interest in watching an hour plus to find out what the fuss and bother was all about, it's a nonissue to me.
Mr. Original seems to be picking apart the subtleties of the art of propaganda. I don't know why, I see both sides using it. Most of us try to stick to the facts, but our adjectives usually give is away. C'est la vie.
Same sex marriage, sexual orientation, or feeling good about who you are harms no one. It seems that some are not satisfied with that, you must be like them, your welfare and self esteem are not their concern. Sad.
Yeah, totally!

I'm pretty sure that most, if not approximately all, of the people who hate or discriminate against LGBT people, it's because they don't UNDERSTAND it.

Not understanding something leads to fear. And it is fear, not anger, that provokes the strongest reactions out of people.

I'm gonna do a post about this, in just a second. Like explaining it in detail. A entire post about this. Now I realize that some people still won't get it. Some of them are either POV-Pushing, or they are using a theological justification... actually I'll address that also :) Yeah, their won't be anything left under it, unless the person is POV-Pushing. In which case they will be exposed as one! When it gets down to brass tacks, that's easy to tell (and show) if someone is debating one-dimensionally, like that.

But what I wanted to address was that about Miley Cyrus.

Yes, you are absolutely correct about that. The overreaction of some people, about that.

What I believe the so-called "reason" is, is well, for starters you've got the "prude" crowd. That's obvious. And you've also got the people who are like, upset because she's a former Disney star and all that. Which is like... come on, that was years ago! People change, move on...

And you got some who are just not into it. Which to be honest, more or less includes me, to a point. I mean I like her music and her videos are ok, but I've never watched one of her performances (although I have sean clips from some). It's not my cup of tea, but then some stuff I like might not be for someone else. It's all about individuality.

And you also have people who are upset about like stuff she's done lately, like the date-rape joke and all that. I posted a comment about that, back when it happened a couple months or so ago (I can't seam to find the link, in my notes) but I was never really "upset", although some people were (primarily on other sites; most celebrity forums on Topix don't get very many posts nor posters these days...)

That one is actually a fairly legitimate case. So long as they aren't confusing the person's "art" with the person themself. Those should always be treated as independent of each other.

Anyway, like I said before, I'm going to make a post in a few minutes, or it might end up being tomorrow. I've got a couple of more replies on a couple of other forums. And the last post I did just now (on another forum) was snagged by the Topix censorbots. I've got to find out why it was botted, and re-post it. It's probably (usually is) something G-rated, lol. So I've gotta wrestle with that... but yeah, I'm gonna do that, and do it strait down to "brass tacks".
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#36 Aug 24, 2014
Its about time it was put to a public vote. Of we have to pay the bill we should have a voice. This is not a civil rights issue. Its an AGENDA brought about by sick people who have no reguard for civil rights. I dont want to have to pay higher taxes so they can get cheaper treatment for the medical issues the lifestyle gives them. If you think Tenn to be backwards, by a ticket on greyhound, might be a reat idea to read a Bible once in awhile to because God, our creator says this lifestyle results in eternal damnation.

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#37 Aug 24, 2014
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Its about time it was put to a public vote. Of we have to pay the bill we should have a voice. This is not a civil rights issue. Its an AGENDA brought about by sick people who have no reguard for civil rights. I dont want to have to pay higher taxes so they can get cheaper treatment for the medical issues the lifestyle gives them. If you think Tenn to be backwards, by a ticket on greyhound, might be a reat idea to read a Bible once in awhile to because God, our creator says this lifestyle results in eternal damnation.
Malarkey!
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Only gay men will make it to heaven
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They will only be redeemed from among men, and they have to be the first fruits
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Men who have sex with women won't get in
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Revelation 14:1> And I looked, and loe, a Lambe stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundreth fourty and foure thousand, hauing his Fathers Name written in their foreheads.
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Revelation 14:2> And I heard a voice from heauen, as the voice of many waters, and as the voyce of a great thunder: and I heard the voyce of harpers, harping with their harpes.
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Revelation 14:3> And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the foure beasts, and the Elders, and no man could learne that song, but the hundreth and fourtie and foure thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
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Revelation 14:4> These are they which were not defiled with women: for they are virgines: These are they which follow the Lambe whithersoeuer hee goeth: These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits vnto God, and to the Lambe.
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Revelation 14:5> And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
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So it behooves all you self-appointed orgasm police to stop trying to get us gay guys to defile ourselves with women
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YOU will cause us to lose our ticket for the trolley ride to glory
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So butt out

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#38 Aug 24, 2014
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Its about time it was put to a public vote. Of we have to pay the bill we should have a voice. This is not a civil rights issue. Its an AGENDA brought about by sick people who have no reguard for civil rights. I dont want to have to pay higher taxes so they can get cheaper treatment for the medical issues the lifestyle gives them. If you think Tenn to be backwards, by a ticket on greyhound, might be a reat idea to read a Bible once in awhile to because God, our creator says this lifestyle results in eternal damnation.
Allright, those are all arguments I've herd (and debunked) before, going all the way back to last century (well a couple were more like early 00s, but anyway). I will address each of them, in order of appearance.

For length reasons I will only touch on most topics. If you (or anyone) wishes to discuss any of these further, I will be happy too do so.

First the issue of putting certain groups' rights up for popular vote. In short, we are a Representative Republic, which guarantees that the rights of minorities are represented. And YES persons of other orientations and/or gender identities are considered minorities.

As for "pay the bill", that argument could be maid for alot of things. Furthermore do you realize that, on average, LGBT persons make more then strait persons do?

Not a civil rights issue? Are you serious? Like I said earlier, what would you do if STRAIT MARRIAGE (and other such benefits for strait people) were outlawed? Would you consider that a civil right? I know I sure as hell would! How about you? So how could that not be?

You know "Heterosexual" is just one place on the spectrum, or "rainbow" if you will. Why should our (presuming you are strait) position of the spectrum be more highly valued then other persons'? That sound like Favoritism to me!!! And quite frankly, while that may have worked somewhat in the 20th Century, nowdays people will see through that. Because people are more ENLIGHTENED, and the average person understands the concept of "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Done Unto You".

Anyway, moving on... Agenda? You mean a agenda of tolerance? What's wrong with that?

Higher taxes? You know they pay taxes also? So why should they not get equal benefits?

"If you don't like it, leave." Well, no that's not how it works. That's what cowards do. Brave people do not run from places where wrongs and injustices occur, they run to such places, and do everything in they're power to put a stop to it.

And finally, as for ur Biblical Literalism, which is what that is. For the record, I am also a Christian, myself. Most people don't realize that I'm a Christian, because I politically side with Atheists and Agnostics about 90-95% of the time, but I am one, nevertheless. But I'm not gonna go into a big thing about this, I'm almost out of room. So hear's a link instead:

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/miley-cyrus/TV...

(That's a different link then before. I'm not sure which of those links is better too address that topic. What do yall think? That one verses the one from Post #28, for that?)

Anyway, so I guess that about covers it. I said in my last post I was gonna make a post that totally prooves this issue. Then I totally forgot about it, lol (I do that some times) I guess this kinda does that. It doesn't go into all the details. I would need alot more then 4000 chr's for that. I guess I could truncate the post, but I'd rather do it this way. Just touch on each of them, and let anyone who takes exception with any of them, lead the discussion, and just follow them.

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#39 Aug 24, 2014
fr original Willard:
>... You've wrongly called me a bigot, but I'm very sure I'm not, so...<

Grow UP, willie, and get a life.
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Pikeville, TN

#41 Aug 25, 2014
i'm a pretty conservative guy and a pastor. Now having said that, we don't have a Caliphate here in the US, it is suppose to be a free choice Republic...and even though I don't agree with the lifestyle, who has the right to make it a legal matter if people want to marry. Unfortunately all of the religious believe that if it's passed then it reflects on them as a person. Hey, hillbilly, it's not about you, it's about the freedom. Too bad the same people who don't like this and are all over it, have no trouble with adultery or divorce or gambling or over comsumption of alcohol, these do more to redefine marriage or change it from a "forever" institution. Just let them do what they want and if they press you for an answer all is needed is to say "I don't agree with it".
Dee

Pikeville, TN

#42 Aug 25, 2014
To quell the "born this way" argument, look to the twin study that showed how in 7% of the time it showed identical twins both being gay. If it were genetic it would be 100% of the time. So there are nurture and environmental things involved in it. We call that "choice".

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#43 Aug 25, 2014
Dee wrote:
To quell the "born this way" argument, look to the twin study that showed how in 7% of the time it showed identical twins both being gay. If it were genetic it would be 100% of the time. So there are nurture and environmental things involved in it. We call that "choice".
Please share the link to the evidence supporting your claim that there is only a 7% chance of both twins being Gay. Thanks

Genes do play a part in one's sexual orientation, as well as hormones, biology and environmental factors in the womb....and just because one twin is Gay, it DOESN'T mean the other HAS to be as well, the other twin could be Bisexual. Identical Twins DOESN'T mean they can't be different with regards to their sexual orientation.

One's sexual orientation is INNATE, one's sexual; behavior is a choice.......they are NOT the same thing!
history student

Campobello, SC

#44 Aug 28, 2014
N8 the Grrr8 wrote:
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Allright, those are all arguments I've herd (and debunked) before, going all the way back to last century (well a couple were more like early 00s, but anyway). I will address each of them, in order of appearance.
For length reasons I will only touch on most topics. If you (or anyone) wishes to discuss any of these further, I will be happy too do so.
First the issue of putting certain groups' rights up for popular vote. In short, we are a Representative Republic, which guarantees that the rights of minorities are represented. And YES persons of other orientations and/or gender identities are considered minorities.
As for "pay the bill", that argument could be maid for alot of things. Furthermore do you realize that, on average, LGBT persons make more then strait persons do?
Not a civil rights issue? Are you serious? Like I said earlier, what would you do if STRAIT MARRIAGE (and other such benefits for strait people) were outlawed? Would you consider that a civil right? I know I sure as hell would! How about you? So how could that not be?
You know "Heterosexual" is just one place on the spectrum, or "rainbow" if you will. Why should our (presuming you are strait) position of the spectrum be more highly valued then other persons'? That sound like Favoritism to me!!! And quite frankly, while that may have worked somewhat in the 20th Century, nowdays people will see through that. Because people are more ENLIGHTENED, and the average person understands the concept of "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Done Unto You".
Anyway, moving on... Agenda? You mean a agenda of tolerance? What's wrong with that?
Higher taxes? You know they pay taxes also? So why should they not get equal benefits?
"If you don't like it, leave." Well, no that's not how it works. That's what cowards do. Brave people do not run from places where wrongs and injustices occur, they run to such places, and do everything in they're power to put a stop to it.
And finally, as for ur Biblical Literalism, which is what that is. For the record, I am also a Christian, myself. Most people don't realize that I'm a Christian, because I politically side with Atheists and Agnostics about 90-95% of the time, but I am one, nevertheless. But I'm not gonna go into a big thing about this, I'm almost out of room. So hear's a link instead:
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/miley-cyrus/TV...
(That's a different link then before. I'm not sure which of those links is better too address that topic. What do yall think? That one verses the one from Post #28, for that?)
Anyway, so I guess that about covers it. I said in my last post I was gonna make a post that totally prooves this issue. Then I totally forgot about it, lol (I do that some times) I guess this kinda does that. It doesn't go into all the details. I would need alot more then 4000 chr's for that. I guess I could truncate the post, but I'd rather do it this way. Just touch on each of them, and let anyone who takes exception with any of them, lead the discussion, and just follow them.
I think the bible mentions you view of christianity, having a form of godlyness yet denying the power...you cant back a single thing you said with actual data, just the lines of nonsesnse parroted by most in this group. The homosexual agenda is satanically inspired according to Gods word. That is a fact. By the way Gay means brightly colored according to webster. If you are going to vomit this agenda at least have the courage to be honest about what it is, a sick, satanic practice. At least then you might sound like you had a small amount of credibility

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#45 Aug 28, 2014
Well I'm glad to see Choo-Choo Town has some common sense. Now if we can just write sodomy laws into the US Constitution and this madness will end!

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#46 Aug 28, 2014
Hitek Rednek wrote:
Well I'm glad to see Choo-Choo Town has some common sense. Now if we can just write sodomy laws into the US Constitution and this madness will end!
Simply NOT going to happen.......either Sodomy laws apply to EVERYONE or they DISCRIMINATE and are UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!

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