Fla. Trans Woman Found Burned to Death Behind Garbage Bin

There are 48 comments on the EDGE story from Jun 23, 2014, titled Fla. Trans Woman Found Burned to Death Behind Garbage Bin. In it, EDGE reports that:

A transgender woman was found burned to death behind a garbage container in Fort Myers, Fla., on June 19, Naples News reports.

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Chevy

Cape Coral, FL

#48 Jun 25, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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1.) As for your HIV comment, unless you have a link, I will assume it is just bigoted stereotypes talking.

2.) Living the same as a normal FEMALE is not a dangerous lifestyle.

3.) Her family never loved her or they would have referred to her by female pronouns. Their pronoun abuse shows there is a good chance they hired the killer.
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1.) It's the internet, Honey. All you have to do is Google his name on the Florida Arrests website and you will see for yourself. Do you know how to do that, or are you too busy rambling on about TS and TG and CD and rape?

2.) Living as a normal female is not a dangerous lifestyle. Living as a crack addicted prostitute and getting into strangers cars to suck their D for $5.00, posing as a woman IS a VERY dangerous lifestyle. Have you been living under a rock?

3.) How dare YOU say his family didn't love him, or possibly had something to do with his murder? You are a despicable human being and a hypocrite. Who are YOU to judge his family after they just lost someone they love? You are a sick, disgusting person.
Chevy

Cape Coral, FL

#49 Jun 25, 2014
Abrahammock Religions wrote:
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You're a disturbed person.
And, pursuant to your own nonsense about how "people have a right not to be addressed by anyone they don't want to be addressed by," I requested that you never reply to one of my posts again.
Yet you did.
Because you are such a disturbed person, Purple Girl, who doesn't know what she's saying or which personality she is presently from post to post.
Now, by your own insane tenets, I insist that you never reply to one of my posts again.
You're absolutely correct. This one takes the cake.
Chevy

Cape Coral, FL

#50 Jun 25, 2014
Spotted Girl, You are clinically insane and I feel bad for all of the transgendered individuals who you are advocating for. You're making them ALL look bad.

I honestly had no problem with transgendered people before reading your lunacy. I only came to this thread to say that it wasn't a blatant hate crime. There was WAY more involved in his death, than someone killing him ONLY because he liked to wear dresses.

Prostitutes get murdered everyday because they throw caution to the wind and their want for fast money comes before thinking of their own safety. You can't even look into that possibility because you're so lost in you own, sick mind of vaginas vs. penises.

I've also been posting completely genderless in each post, yet you assume I'm a male and have been addressing me as such. Aren't you being just as judging as the people you are advocating against?

Referring to dicks as "rape tools" omg...you're an effing LOON! Just shut up.

I am 100% female. Inside and out. What are you? I have a suspicion you have a little surprise for the gentlemen, hiding under your lacey panties. Am I right?

I'm done here. Continue to ramble about body parts, since that's all you seem to have going on in your life.

R.I.P. Eddie Owens

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#51 Jun 25, 2014
Chevy wrote:
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1.) It's the internet, Honey. All you have to do is Google his name on the Florida Arrests website and you will see for yourself. Do you know how to do that, or are you too busy rambling on about TS and TG and CD and rape?
2.) Living as a normal female is not a dangerous lifestyle. Living as a crack addicted prostitute and getting into strangers cars to suck their D for $5.00, posing as a woman IS a VERY dangerous lifestyle. Have you been living under a rock?
3.) How dare YOU say his family didn't love him, or possibly had something to do with his murder? You are a despicable human being and a hypocrite. Who are YOU to judge his family after they just lost someone they love? You are a sick, disgusting person.
1. Just because others can look up the name she had the right to never be given doesn't mean it is right to spread it. In court, you can be just as guilty for spreading defamation as a person who creates it. For instance, if you post links to copyright content, even if you're not hosting it, you can still go to prison. Transsexualism *IS* the topic here. Calling HER a man or male pronouns is a deep violation of who she was, so rape metaphors are germane here.

2. She probably was saving up for surgery. She wasn't posing as a woman, she was a woman, but passing off as female is another issue altogether. You cannot seem to differentiate between female (sex) and woman (gender). She was born with a feminine brain and soul, and worked hard to present as ANY OTHER woman. So socially and in terms of gender identity, she WAS a woman. Pronouns and whether someone is a woman or not depends on the inborn brain configuration, the "soul" of the person, and what they are presenting to the world. I'll explain this in a future post and might even publish a book so I won't have to keep repeating it.

Like I said, if the killing was over sex, the killer already knew, and murdering her was a part of the fantasy. You'd be surprised how many "straight" men have fantasies of having sex with a transperson and killing them afterwards. But most keep those to themselves and never act on them. Most who kill transwomen knew far in advance about their birth defect. In some cases, they had a previous encounter and were alright with it until they bragged to a bigoted friend. After the homophobic name-calling starts, they return to kill the person to "save face" with their "friends."

3. If they loved her, they'd have used FEMALE pronouns. Love is built on respect and they didn't respect her. They are likely the typical parents who would prefer a dead son over a living daughter who is comfortable with herself. Your gender identity is a part of who you are, and may actually be a deeper part of who you are than your sexual orientation.

Everyone should have the right to self-define within logical reason. A human being can be a woman, and EVERYONE starts out as female in the womb until either the 5th or 12th week until 3 genes on the Y chromosome take over and produce proteins to change the direction of development and start a sex-differentiation cascade. Sometimes this process is broken and the person might be more comfortable to be helped back to a more female state. However, a human cannot be a dog, tree, turnip, car, or whatever. That doesn't mean some won't try, like the woman who wanted to be a cat.

4. If taking up for women with the birth defect of transsexualism and making sure they get called ONLY what they want called is sick and disgusting, then so being, but that is not your business.

5. If people like her are such bad people, then why insist on lumping them in with your gender? Do you want masculinity to be known as the gender of perverts? I'm not calling her nor anyone else a pervert, but if you say she is and then insist on thinking of her as being as much a man as you, then what does that make you? Again just consider.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#52 Jun 25, 2014
Chevy wrote:
Spotted Girl, You are clinically insane and I feel bad for all of the transgendered individuals who you are advocating for. You're making them ALL look bad.
I honestly had no problem with transgendered people before reading your lunacy. I only came to this thread to say that it wasn't a blatant hate crime. There was WAY more involved in his death, than someone killing him ONLY because he liked to wear dresses.
Prostitutes get murdered everyday because they throw caution to the wind and their want for fast money comes before thinking of their own safety. You can't even look into that possibility because you're so lost in you own, sick mind of vaginas vs. penises.
I've also been posting completely genderless in each post, yet you assume I'm a male and have been addressing me as such. Aren't you being just as judging as the people you are advocating against?
Referring to dicks as "rape tools" omg...you're an effing LOON! Just shut up.
I am 100% female. Inside and out. What are you? I have a suspicion you have a little surprise for the gentlemen, hiding under your lacey panties. Am I right?
I'm done here. Continue to ramble about body parts, since that's all you seem to have going on in your life.
R.I.P. E**** O****
Where did I say I was transgendered? I'm not that. So how can an outsider advocating for a community make that community look bad?

I support and advocate for those born with transsexuals and I merely respect TG persons. I mostly only advocate for those born with transsexualism, not those who choose transgenderism. If a person is a TS (born with a hated penis) you call them she, and if they are a TG (born with a penis they love and who choose to crossdress habitually), he is more appropriate, but I still respect them by calling them a she as they prefer. The TG (gender variant) crowd often causes problems for the TS (gender conformists and who need surgery) crowd. The TG crowd is much larger and drowns out the TS crowd and their ideas.

You did have a problem with TS women and TG guys who pretend to be women long before reading my informed posts that come from about 20 years of independent research. If you had NO problem with her, you'd have invariably referred to her by female pronouns and ONLY her female name. But your problem with such people caused you to act out in sheer hatred and use such pronouns. That is the ONLY reason why TSs put on dresses, to FORCE others to call them female pronouns. By calling them men, you are destroying the only thing that matters to them - and causing the the SAME pain as someone raping and murdering someone's child in front of them and then beating the hell out of the bereaved parent for grieving or trying to prevent the tragedy.

As for rape tools, I sure got a reaction out of you there. If you don't have one or use it for that purpose, then why would calling it that offend you? You were appearing masculine in your posts. Generally it is men who lack true compassion for women, so when a woman lacks such compassion for a fellow woman, she is generally an evil person. Take Eileen Weurnos who Florida fried in the electric chair. Some women call her a folk heroine. But what if she had molested, killed, and dismembered little girls? Nobody would have liked her, not even the Christian woman who befriended her near the end and got a court order to be appointed her legal guardian.

There has to be a Sick reason why you disrespected her at the end. Maybe you are having a sick fantasies about her and need to think of her as a man to complete it? There has to be pure, evil HATRED within you driving you to disrespect HER wishes to be called female pronouns and by HER female name.

“The Spotted Girl News Network”

Since: Apr 09

Spotted World

#53 Jun 25, 2014
The mechanics of gender

Sexuality and gender are made up of four distinct components:

1. Physical sex. This is what you have and your reproductive role. However, most interactions between people are not according to their reproductive role. A male mechanic is not there there to impregnate customers, and a waitress is not hired to make babies with the customers or male wait staff. Even having friends doesn't require you to know what genitals they have, just how they seen themselves and present themselves to the world.

2. Gender identity. This is who you are. This is in the neurology, the soul or essence if you believe in such attributes, and is how you see yourself.

3. Gender role, or gender expression. This is where personal choice and society's rules fit in. If you have a female gender identity, you will want to act and appear as a female to get everyone to accept you into the feminine culture and gender role.

4. Sexual orientation. This is simply who you are attracted to, and it has nothing to do with the above at all. This could be subdivided into other things such as feelings/urges, behaviors, mannerisms, sense of community, and power role preferences (top, bottom, switch, etc). However, I am keeping this part simple since this section is only added for contrast. Orientation is simply who, if anyone, you are attracted to.

A note on items 2 and 3. In old transsexual literature from the 60's or so, those elements were included under "gender." They used sex to refer to the body and gender to refer to all the invisible and constructed stuff. But that causes problems. Feminists would then say gender is not destiny and transsexual women would say that gender is destiny. At first, they may seem to contradict, but they are discussing separate things. The feminists would be referring to gender role, while TSs are referring to gender identity.

Also, subdividing makes it easier to distinguish TSs from TGs. For a TS, the discrepancy is between item's 1 and 2. They may have a male body while having the brain and presence of a woman. So they take hormones and get surgery to eliminate the discrepancy. For them, item 3 is a non-issue, and one they have no problem with. If they have a female gender identity and are obtaining a female body, then clothes and all are the easy part, and since their gender identity is fully female, then they would have little problem with what society wants for women (within reason).

For the TGs, they have no problem with item 1. For item 2, they may have a gender identity that either corresponds to their biological sex, or is between the two. Most of the issue for them is item #3 and their desires in this category being at odds with society, which is much the same as with ardent feminists who don't want to be limited by society. Many may want to keep their male parts (item 1), have some male being or ideas (#2) and want to present as a woman #3, and this discrepancy that might not have previously existed would put them at odds with society.

So you can see who TS persons would want to conform in regards to the above chart, and how TG persons may create difference where none previously existed.
L Craig s Hush Puppies

Philadelphia, PA

#54 Jun 25, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
The mechanics
Purple, we're going to need another 5000 words of your deranged crap on...whatever it is you're going on about.

Thanks in advance.

And don't reply to me ever again.

Since: Aug 11

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#55 Jun 25, 2014
Abrahammock Religions wrote:
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You haven't read the horsesht she's posted under various monikers, including a lot of homophobic. Wise up.
The idea that you "can't" reply to someone's post here just because they ask you not to is insane. Get a clue.
That's what I said.

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