Fla. Trans Woman Found Burned to Death Behind Garbage Bin

Jun 23, 2014 Full story: EDGE 48

A transgender woman was found burned to death behind a garbage container in Fort Myers, Fla., on June 19, Naples News reports.

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Here Kitty Kitty

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Jun 23, 2014
Lots of criminal activity feeding from a history of societal disorder in this case
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Such a hideous crime exposes purposeful criminal failure of the EDUCATIONAL system and purposeful criminal failure of the RELIGIOUS system for not teaching the masses about human diversity at school entry level
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Feed 'em to the lions!
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#2 Jun 23, 2014
My God....there is NOTHING more vile than a bigot.

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Spotted World

#3 Jun 23, 2014
Gremlin wrote:
My God....there is NOTHING more vile than a bigot.
There is. A violent bigot. Not every bigot is violent, though maybe all are potentially dangerous.

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Spotted World

#4 Jun 23, 2014
Was this person really a TS or TG? The difference:

1. TSism is a condition. I think of it like a birth condition, where you are born with

2. TGism is mostly chosen gender variance, but anyone who wants to identify as such is welcomed.

There is quite a difference between a normal woman with a serious condition on par with cancer taking hormones and surgery to eliminate the condition and fit into "normal," mainstream, cisgender society, and a normal, healthy man choosing to live as a "woman" for fetish or recreational reasons.

I know this is not popular to say, but lumping TSs with TGs and with LGBT persons is part of what fuels anti-TS violence. TS women just want to get surgery to stop being TSs, but TGs take more pride in their differences and have differing goals. Go to a gender support group. You will find that the TS women are plain vanilla and may have more conservative or traditional views, while the TG group is more wild and active and don't care if they fit in. So TS persons would naturally earn respect if the TGs and LGBT people were out of their way. But TGs often inadvertently render what TSs do to earn rights ineffectual. From my narrow vantage point, TSs tend to try to earn rights by becoming better individuals, while TGs try to earn them on a group level through laws and all - which I believe are necessary. If people knew the differences between the groups, it would help reduce the violence and increase empathy, but certain people fears it would weaken their own stand, and the media don't even bother. But there are numerous cases where people would not have killed a TS if they knew the person had a birth condition, and not a choice to dress up, and were not out having sex. Often people don't hate medical TSism, but they hate what they see as LGBT behavior and recreational crossdressing. But nobody is telling them that TSs are not the same as that. And yes, TGs and LGBTs ALL deserve full rights, full safety, and the same chance at happiness as others. However, you have to realize how people think now. Sure, push ahead, but not in irresponsible ways that gather more casualties. After the public assumed TSs were a type of TG, and thus a part of the LGBT, violence against them increased.

And to clarify, I don't care which group is what - YOU DON'T MURDER PEOPLE. The TS crowd wants healed and the TG crowd wants their kicks or to drown out pain or whatever. Regardless, they are reaching for what they believe will make them happy, and they are harming nobody else.

A common denominator in these killings is race. It seems BM are currently the most transphobic group, but to make it sound fairer and less biased, it is probably poor men of whatever race that is the most likely. While White TS women and TGs are often victims, more TS and TG deaths are Black. Black TSs and TGs are less likely to come out, and the ones that do are often violent, since they were forced to prove themselves as men, and after transition, people will want to mess with you, so you have to be tough to stay alive.

Another possibility as to why darker TS and TG persons are more likely to die is the differences in culture and socializing. While TS and TG persons of all races will socialize, it is possible minority TS women and TG persons will socialize more than their lighter counterparts.

Women can be vicious with TS women and TGs, but men are statistically more likely to be violent with them. Women tend to mostly attack TSs and TGs after an altercation, when in an existing living situation (female on TS woman domestic violence), or at the urging of a boyfriend. However, when guys attack, it is usually unprovoked, or they provoke her first to give themselves a "reason."

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Spotted World

#6 Jun 23, 2014
I also wonder in cases like this if the police or the FBI pay people to attack or kill TS women. Police rarely investigate.

Even gay men get a better shake in court than transsexual women, and that is not saying much. A gay politician and a mayor was assassinated and the killer got 7 years, and that was with a reduction due to his "mental state."

But in more recent years, a transsexual woman (not merely "transgendered") was murdered, and the 2 killers each got 6 months. The DA only brought it to district court, and there was no grand jury, so the judge could only convict them of assault and battery. I don't know if they could try them again. I know about double jeopardy, but they were charged with assault, not murder, so they might get a conviction there. Maybe the DA was actually playing it smart based on local sentiment and might have been wanting to preserve their one good chance to convict of murder. If they were tried for murder, double-jeopardy would have attached for killing. But the killers are currently back on the streets. They received a slap on the wrist for what they did.

Most TS women are killed for the hell of it, not out of "gay panic" or similar. The motives are hate, but the cases of people being fooled into bed are actually rare. Most already know who is what, whether by noticing or by history or gossip. So if they plan a liaison with them, they already know everything, and thus killing them is premeditated.

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#7 Jun 23, 2014
Harris wrote:
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I know of something a lot more vile...a queer.
No, the "queers" as you call them mostly live their own lives and leave others alone. The violent bigots attack others who are not bothering them first. It's not about "protecting children" or "they hit on me," or "I found out in the bedroom they were really a man." No, those are the common lies the killers tell. Most gay-bashing, trans-bashing, and TS-bashing is all premeditated. Overreacting during an incident is one thing, but that doesn't happen, either that, or the killer provoked the incident to have an excuse to commit violence. So no, the victims don't provoke it, unless you count breathing and being yourself as provocation.

I really hope Florida finds who did this and gives them the needle. Well, they should get what they dished out, but we have the 8th Amendment. In some ways, sending them to a cell block with LGBT inmates would be a better punishment. And in some ways, not calling it a hate crime might make things worse for the inmate. Those convicted with hate crime enhancements often get protective custody, unless I understand wrong. So if they are not convicted with that and get allowed in gen-pop, it could go worse for them.
vote no gay

Corryton, TN

#8 Jun 23, 2014
The victim's name was Eddie James Owens, not Yaz’min Shancez.

"Owens has been arrested multiple times in Lee County, including twice on prostitution charges."

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/25823795/family-sa...

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Spotted World

#9 Jun 23, 2014
It is disrespectful on par with a hate crime to refer to a TS woman with their birth name their parents should have never given them. The bigot above nor the news bigots gained nothing by outing her. Many TS women and TGs go by common-law names.

You are who you say you are, and anyone with half a heart would respect that.

As for the hooking part, as much as I find that morally repugnant, that is NO EXCUSE to murder someone. And by referring to her by male pronouns and her birth name, everyone is still murdering her.

The prostitution comment does play into my theory about TS and TG persons of color "socializing" more. But to be clear, that is no excuse. For instance, women who go clubbing may get raped more than women who don't go clubbing, but that doesn't mean that the ones who go clubbing deserve it more or deserve less police protection.

So I am at a crisis on what to advise. On one hand, TS women should heed the same precautions given to other women. The precautions are for rape, but they are about as effective for murder -- not much, but better than nothing. On the other hand, giving such advice does not go far enough and can be used to excuse criminal behavior. I mean, in the Middle East for instance, they believe if a woman talks to a male stranger or doesn't wear a Hijab, she somehow deserves to be raped. While covering women might have once been done to help protect them, now rapists use not being covered as an excuse. So that is the problem with giving victim tips without working to reduce, reform, or punish victimizers. So I say give TS and TG persons self-defense advice while still pushing ahead to increase penalties, reduce sexism/transphobia, and change societal attitudes.

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#15 Jun 23, 2014
Chevy wrote:
He was a prostitute in this area. My hunch is that he didn't reveal that was really a man when men picked him up for sex. It is believed that it was after the fact, that he surprised he poor S.O.B. by revealing there was a penis under his skirt and the 'John' killed him.
I imagine I happens quite often.
So SHE was. There is no need for you to rape who she is by calling her male pronouns and calling her outside of her name. You doing so is every bit as immoral if you were to rape her, murder her, cut her up, and set her on fire. She was SUPPOSED TO be born with a vagina, and her rights as a woman come from that vagina she was supposed to have.

Your verbal violence shows nature was correct in giving you a rape tool. But she was never supposed to have one.

As for hooking, maybe she did that trying to save up for surgery. Try being born with a birth defect and correcting it without money. The pressures are different in the hood.

The arrests were probably old. She worked as a hairdresser and had no need to be a hooker. And the Johns already knew. Black men have a keen sense of knowing if someone has TSism or not. Maybe someone can tell me why. So they already knew, and the talk was around to be sure. Black culture and maybe poor culture in general tends to produce more nosy people, maybe because there is nothing better to do. So if a john did it, they knew before hiring her.

It was like in the Gwen Araujo murder. They asked for oral sex from her knowing she had the birth defect of being born with the opposite genitals. They did that to have an excuse to murder her. That was why they demanded sex of her. And the funny thing is what those Mexicans were not charged with RAPING a teenager in addition to murdering her. They were adults and she was not and they demanded oral sex.

And it isn't just hookers, homeless, and criminal TS women being killed, but white collar professionals who are very valuable to society to. I mean computer experts, cardiologists, gynecologists, etc.
vote no gay

Corryton, TN

#16 Jun 23, 2014
Chevy wrote:
He was a prostitute in this area. My hunch is that he didn't reveal that was really a man when men picked him up for sex. It is believed that it was after the fact, that he surprised he poor S.O.B. by revealing there was a penis under his skirt and the 'John' killed him.
I imagine I happens quite often.
The detectives will likely solve this case and when they do I expect the motivation for the crime will be what you describe. If not that, then Owen's drug habit may be the cause.
Chevy

Cape Coral, FL

#17 Jun 23, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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So SHE was. She was SUPPOSED TO be born with a vagina, and her rights as a woman come from that vagina she was supposed to have.
As for hooking, maybe she did that trying to save up for surgery..
Do you have any idea how CRAZY you sound? Oh my GOD!
HIS name was Eddie Owens.
HE WAS born with a dick, a penis, a cock, therefore HE was a MAN.
HE was a crack addict.
HE prostituted himself to support his crack addiction, not to save up for surgery.
No, his charges aren't old.
What kind of fairytale are you pretending to live in?

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Since: Apr 08

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#18 Jun 23, 2014
A human being dies a horrific death, and an unregistered troll with multiple names/locations blames the victim. Not for any other reason, but to spark reactions and gain attention. Such is his gay forum obsession.

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#19 Jun 23, 2014
Chevy wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any idea how CRAZY you sound? Oh my GOD!
HIS name was Eddie Owens.
HE WAS born with a dick, a penis, a cock, therefore HE was a MAN.
HE was a crack addict.
HE prostituted himself to support his crack addiction, not to save up for surgery.
No, his charges aren't old.
What kind of fairytale are you pretending to live in?
And all of this affects you in what manner?
Clarence

Kansas City, MO

#20 Jun 23, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
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Black men have a keen sense of knowing if someone has TSism or not. Maybe someone can tell me why. So they already knew, and the talk was around to be sure. Black culture and maybe poor culture in general tends to produce more nosy people, maybe because there is nothing better to do.
Really?
Holy Silicon Wafer

Philadelphia, PA

#21 Jun 23, 2014
Spotted Girl wrote:
Was this person really a TS or TG? The difference:
1. TSism is a condition. I think of it like a birth condition, where you are born with
2. TGism is mostly chosen gender variance, but anyone who wants to identify as such is welcomed.
There is quite a difference between a normal woman with a serious condition on par with cancer taking hormones and surgery to eliminate the condition and fit into "normal," mainstream, cisgender society, and a normal, healthy man choosing to live as a "woman" for fetish or recreational reasons.
This is more sick sht from insane poster, Purple Girl, who uniquely spews the exact same nonsense. Same sht spew, same poster, moderately different moniker.
Holy Silicon Wafer

Philadelphia, PA

#22 Jun 23, 2014
Chevy wrote:
He was a prostitute in this area. My hunch is that he didn't reveal that was really a man when men picked him up for sex.
"Hunch" = "has happened to me."
Chevy

Cape Coral, FL

#23 Jun 24, 2014
NE Jade wrote:
A human being dies a horrific death, and an unregistered troll with multiple names/locations blames the victim. Not for any other reason, but to spark reactions and gain attention. Such is his gay forum obsession.
His death was horrific and a very sad way to go. I certainly don't troll gay forums. I have no interest, however this popped up on our LOCAL news feed. I live in the same city as he did.
People think he was targeted ONLY because he was a cross dresser and that is not the case. His arrest record also has a charge of his giving HIV to another person.
You don't think THAT was reason enough for him to be a target?
Eddie lived a very dangerous lifestyle and this death to me is not nearly as shocking as it is to the rest of his followers apparently.
Drugs, prostitution, HIV, posing as a woman while getting into John's cars. It was only a matter of time. My heart goes out to his family. They interviewed them and they loved this man very much and THEY all referred to him as "He" too.
People need to get a grip.

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#24 Jun 24, 2014
Chevy wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any idea how CRAZY you sound? Oh my GOD!
HIS name was Eddie Owens.
HE WAS born with a dick, a penis, a cock, therefore HE was a MAN.
HE was a crack addict.
HE prostituted himself to support his crack addiction, not to save up for surgery.
No, his charges aren't old.
What kind of fairytale are you pretending to live in?
Her name is what SHE says it is despite you having this sick need to rape her with the name her parents should have never given her. She was supposed to be born with a vagina. True transsexualism, like the CHOICE of transgenderism is a birth defect where you are born with the wrong body. Your body is not who you are. except maybe in YOUR case where you are just a walking penis just waiting on women to rape and that you have no worth past your penis. You have a right not to be murdered despite your addictions.

You calling her a he is being disrespectful to her wishes, and every bit as immoral as the more conventional rape. She was NOTHING like you, so stop trying to lump her with your inferior, rapist, violent gender. If she didn't really have the inborn soul and neurology of a woman, then your bullying and verbal violence won't help her. In fact, it would only convince WOMEN like her that they are not filthy men like you.

Transsexualism is a known physical condition. The brain is just as much a sex organ as the genitals, and the hormones and surgery is to make the body match the brain and soul - just like it should have been. When you refer to a person with pronouns, the pronouns only refer to the person's soul, not their body. You are ONLY supposed to care about the souls of strangers, never their bodies. People dress and live as they do to get you to call them the correct pronouns for their soul. Why does a female doctor or college professor dress and live as a woman? Is it because she has a vagina? Is it because she wants nonstop sex? Or is it because she feels like a woman, has a feminine soul, and wants the world to know? Women dress as women to earn the right to be called female pronouns.

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#25 Jun 24, 2014
Holy Silicon Wafer wrote:
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This is more sick sht from insane poster, Purple Girl, who uniquely spews the exact same nonsense. Same sht spew, same poster, moderately different moniker.
Who cares. I am an activist. The information is the truth, and anyone who supports the TS-Specific version of TS events will say roughly the same. Truth is truth no matter who says it, and it sounds the same. This PG person you mentioned likely is a TS. SO why are you attacking me when I care about the civil rights of these people? I'm not her, but even if I were

Born transsexuals have lost rights after being lumped in with chosen TGs. TS women are not LGBT (not because they are TSs at least), but a part of the normal people community. They are no different than any other women born with a birth defect. You are supposed to fix the birth defect, then get on with life as if you never had it. TGs are mostly just MEN, born with healthy male souls, and choose to degrade themselves by living in drag. BUT, they don't deserve to die over that.

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#26 Jun 24, 2014
Clarence wrote:
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Really?
Maybe you can give insight into what I've noticed indirectly, and what TS women across the US have noticed? For some reason, men of a certain race can "read" their situation better, and use this extra ability for harassing such women. I'd assume it was just in the deep South, but when people in the northwest and other areas say that is the case too, and even Black TS women, then there has to be something to it.

So the majority of TS killers are Black, and the majority who are not are probably either modeling after such culture, or are rednecks. So maybe the issue here is more a matter of class than race, and it looks like a race issue because that race is over-represented in poverty.

I am really trying to learn for my own insights and activism.

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