Is liberal Christianity signing its own death warrant?

Jul 26, 2012 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.virtueonline.org

The Rt. Rev. Mark Joseph Lawrence, the Episcopal bishop of South Carolina, fears for the future of his church.

One week after the U.S. Episcopal Church overwhelmingly voted to approve a provisional rite for blessing gay unions and the ordination of transgender people, Bishop Lawrence said in an interview with NBC News that his denomination is moving too far out of the mainstream ...

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... It's man's inevitable desire to control and manipulate that always complicates it. And to argue any other way is proof of that.
Circular reasoning to control the argument?

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Circular reasoning to control the argument?
Maybe. But is it not still true? Isn't the argument to specify that which isn't specific, just an attempt to manipulate an open ended truth. The Bible, God's word, is purposefully open ended. Intended, I believe, to be reader specific. Each reader gaining the truth and guidance as it applies to their own life. So, for it to be interperated one way, by one "man", and then proclaimed that that is the ONLY way, is a manipulation of what is a divine truth. Meaning, it's a bit more complex than what we (man) can understand. We, all to often, focus on the singular. God does not. That's what makes Him God. Right?
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nada wrote:
The homosexuals are guests in our methodist houses of worship and should be treated with every ounce of dignity and honesty we can possibly give them. But however they must be respectfull and reverant guests and not forgeting they are there by invitation only. Just as i dont have the right to barge uninvited into someones home and put my muddy boots upon the coffee table and light a smoke and thump ashes onto their carpet neither do the homosexuals have the right to trash our houses of worship with their pro gay pseudo religious doctrines.
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Is this a NEWS story? Why is it posted in the NEWS section?

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Maybe. But is it not still true? Isn't the argument to specify that which isn't specific, just an attempt to manipulate an open ended truth. The Bible, God's word, is purposefully open ended ...
Just what's so open-ended about the "thou shalt not's" of the Ten Commandments?

And there's no maybe about it: circular reasoning can't prove anything.
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Is this a NEWS story? Why is it posted in the NEWS section?
It's posted in the Topix Episcopal Church forum because it deals specifically with TEC beginning with the article's lead, which you obviously didn't even bother to read.

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Just what's so open-ended about the "thou shalt not's" of the Ten Commandments?
And there's no maybe about it: circular reasoning can't prove anything.
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The Ten Commandments? I don't know if you've heard but there is a new release. It's called the "New Testament". Those are from the "Old Testament". And I believe that even Jesus said something about how, yes, the Ten Commandments are still good rules to live by, however, they are from the OLD covenant God made with man. God has since made a NEW covenant with man. That covenant came in the form of a man. God incarnate; called Jesus Christ. And yes, that covenant is open ended. That was the point. The old covenant only covered God's chosen people, the Israelites, and was very specific, as you stated. And because of that, God was having to constantly punish His people. Which essentially meant killing them, and their families, off. His people were too "stiff necked", and the punishments of the old covenant weren't getting results. So He changed the game. Enter Jesus, the new covenant.

It's a good read, the Bible. You should try it. The WHOLE Bible.

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The Ten Commandments? I don't know if you've heard but there is a new release. It's called the "New Testament". Those are from the "Old Testament". And I believe that even Jesus said something about how, yes, the Ten Commandments are still good rules to live by ...
You "believe" He said something like that?

Jesus actually said that He came not to abolish, but to fullfil the law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17); today that includes the moral imperatives of BOTH Testaments.

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Oh really? Then what do you call our govt?
The American Government is not a religion
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Neither is religion a government
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Still standing today we are protected by the 1948 United States Supreme Court McCollum vs Board of Education decision; 'separation means separation; not something less':
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"Separation means separation, not something less. Jefferson's metaphor in describing the relation between Church and State speaks of a "wall of separation," not of a fine line easily overstepped. The public school is at once the symbol of our democracy and the most pervasive means for promoting our common destiny. In no activity of the State is it more vital to keep out divisive forces than in its schools, to avoid confusing, not to say fusing, what the Constitution sought to keep strictly apart. "The great American principle of eternal separation" -- Elihu Root's phrase bears repetition -- is one of the vital reliances of our Constitutional system for assuring unities among our people stronger than our diversities. It is the Court's duty to enforce this principle in its full integrity."
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"we have staked the very existence of our country on the faith that complete separation between the state and religion is best for the state and best for religion."
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You "believe" He said something like that?
Jesus actually said that He came not to abolish, but to fullfil the law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17); today that includes the moral imperatives of BOTH Testaments.
Love isn't license.
Uh, yeah, I was paraphrasing, but essentially said just that. I was replying to YOUR post that referenced ONLY the Ten Commandments. YOU were the one neglecting to mention the new covenant in an attempt to prove your lopsided point. Face it, a popular tool of discrimination are half-truths, and that's what that was.

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Uh, yeah, I was paraphrasing, but essentially said just that. I was replying to YOUR post that referenced ONLY the Ten Commandments. YOU were the one neglecting to mention the new covenant in an attempt to prove your lopsided point. Face it, a popular tool of discrimination are half-truths, and that's what that was.
If Joe didn't use HALF TRUTHS then he would have NO TRUTHS at all!

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<quoted text>If Joe didn't use HALF TRUTHS then he would have NO TRUTHS at all!
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That's funny.
It is!!!!

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Uh, yeah, I was paraphrasing, but essentially said just that ...
You said nothing of the sort, unless "paraphrasing" carries a very different meaning in the transgender forum you're posting from.

This is what you said:
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The Ten Commandments? I don't know if you've heard but there is a new release. It's called the "New Testament" ...
I don't know if you've heard, but murder and adultery are still immoral and illegal in AD (Anno Domini) 2013.

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You said nothing of the sort, unless "paraphrasing" carries a very different meaning in the transgender forum you're posting from.
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I don't know if you've heard, but murder and adultery are still immoral and illegal in AD (Anno Domini) 2013.
Her post occurs in The Episcopal Church Forum.

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Her post occurs in The Episcopal Church Forum.
Her posts appear in The Episcopal Church, Gay/Lesbian, Religion, South Carolina, Methodist and Presbyterian Episcopal Church News forums, but they originate in the Transgender forum.

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Joe supposes some sort of superiority because of the cross posted threads. If a comment comes in on anything GAY, then he discounts it. Actually, he discounts EVERYTHING that anyone in support of anything LGBT says from any thread.

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Did you ever work or know anyone that attended or worked for Desisto School?
Sorry, I don't know that name or place. Not me.

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I think conservative christianity has lead us down the darkened path we are on now. Perhaps it's time for a change.

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<quoted text>Aren't you referring to follyhood? If not could you please provide some examples to your assertions.
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God's peace to you as well. The Bible teaches that the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. I believe we have been so focused on "killing" the sin in people (so to speak) for so long that we have forgotten that our righteousness is as filthy rags before God. That all men like sheep have gone astray. And that we each depend on mercy, through the sin offering Jesus paid for us all, for our eternal salvation. With that being said, I believe we have neglected the basic principles of our faith. To love our God and to love our neighbors as ourself. Not judge them. Quite frankly we don't have that authority. How can we be so busy "saving" people when we can't even save ourselves? All we can do is point them in the right direction and show them a little love.

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You said nothing of the sort, unless "paraphrasing" carries a very different meaning in the transgender forum you're posting from.
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I don't know if you've heard, but murder and adultery are still immoral and illegal in AD (Anno Domini) 2013.
Wow, you are quite the pompous little turd, aren't you? I mean, you do seem to have plenty of friends that really like you.

That's not what I SAID, that's what I WROTE. Also, arrogance, self righteousness, discrimination, and the judgment of others are just as immoral.
And being a know-it-all is just annoying.

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