Could a gay marriage ban affect Indiana business?

Dec 5, 2012 Full story: South Bend Tribune

It is expected to be a fight in the coming legislative session. One group believes the law could have economic implications.

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#1 Dec 5, 2012
well as of now - I wouldnt go to Indiana and IF they had an Ammendment - I sure as hell would NEVER EVER go there....at side of history do they want to be on?

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#2 Dec 5, 2012
Of course it sends a hostile message to all gay people and those who care about them. With other options to live in a more hospitable social environment, those who have a choice will choose to stay away.

No surprise the AFA wants to vote on equal rights, knowing the religious right is strong in In. This illustrates why the fundamental rights of a minority should never depend on the popular opinion and vote of the majority.

James Madison:“It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part … If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.”

John Adams, the second U.S. president: "the majority has eternally, and without one exception, usurped over the rights of the minority."

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson

“ WOOF ! ”

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#3 Dec 5, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Of course it sends a hostile message to all gay people and those who care about them. With other options to live in a more hospitable social environment, those who have a choice will choose to stay away.
No surprise the AFA wants to vote on equal rights, knowing the religious right is strong in In. This illustrates why the fundamental rights of a minority should never depend on the popular opinion and vote of the majority.
James Madison:“It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part … If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure.”
John Adams, the second U.S. president: "the majority has eternally, and without one exception, usurped over the rights of the minority."
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression." - Thomas Jefferson
Which was just ONE of the reasons the Founding Fathers provided for a Senate in a bicameral Congress. And structured the Senate so that the terms of Senators are TRIPLE the terms of Representatives (and 2 years longer than the President, and VEEP who is President of the Senate), AND provided that only 1/3 of the senators are up for reelection every 2 years. Part of the reason for this was for things passed by the House in the heat of the moment, are gievn a long time in the Senate to be considered.

This is also why the Senate's own rules actually provide not for "majority rule" but rather "minority rule" because a minority of only 41 senators can stop any legislation dead in it's tracks.

And remember that until the 20th century, the average American voter was NOT even given the right to vote for their own U.S. senators. Senators were chosen by the state legislature.

And regarding the myth[s] that somehow "democracy" and "majority rule" was established in the U.S. after we achieved our independence, the Founding Fathers certianly didn't believe in allowing the average American to vote. In the early 19th century, only about 6% of American had a right to vote. THAT is "democrcay" and "majority rule" ?! Until about the 1830's neraly all states had requirments for voter eligibilty which included that the voter must own at least 40 acre sof land in order to be eligibel to vote. How many people crammed into the cities of New York, Boston, and Philadelphia do you tink owned that much land ? More than 90% or Americans were NOT eligible to vote, including ALL females, ALL black Americans, ALL Native Americans, and the VAST MAJORITY of white men over the age of 21 years.

Remember THOSE things next Fourth Of July celebration !

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#5 Dec 5, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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Which was just ONE of the reasons the Founding Fathers provided for a Senate in a bicameral Congress. And structured the Senate so that the terms of Senators are TRIPLE the terms of Representatives (and 2 years longer than the President, and VEEP who is President of the Senate), AND provided that only 1/3 of the senators are up for reelection every 2 years. Part of the reason for this was for things passed by the House in the heat of the moment, are gievn a long time in the Senate to be considered.
This is also why the Senate's own rules actually provide not for "majority rule" but rather "minority rule" because a minority of only 41 senators can stop any legislation dead in it's tracks.
And remember that until the 20th century, the average American voter was NOT even given the right to vote for their own U.S. senators. Senators were chosen by the state legislature.
And regarding the myth[s] that somehow "democracy" and "majority rule" was established in the U.S. after we achieved our independence, the Founding Fathers certianly didn't believe in allowing the average American to vote. In the early 19th century, only about 6% of American had a right to vote. THAT is "democrcay" and "majority rule" ?! Until about the 1830's neraly all states had requirments for voter eligibilty which included that the voter must own at least 40 acre sof land in order to be eligibel to vote. How many people crammed into the cities of New York, Boston, and Philadelphia do you tink owned that much land ? More than 90% or Americans were NOT eligible to vote, including ALL females, ALL black Americans, ALL Native Americans, and the VAST MAJORITY of white men over the age of 21 years.
Remember THOSE things next Fourth Of July celebration !
Wow. One of your best posts I've ever seen. Good info.

“ WOOF ! ”

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#6 Dec 5, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Wow. One of your best posts I've ever seen. Good info.
I know ! And not only that, as usual, it was Fair and Balanced too !

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