Our view: There's no harm in a club for gay students

There are 671 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jan 22, 2009, titled Our view: There's no harm in a club for gay students. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

There are some social issues upon which principled people will never agree, and it seems one has lately reared its head in the Waynesboro Area School District.

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fulmmoney

Kitchener, Canada

#235 Jan 24, 2009
For the record wrote:
Gimme a break. That dont even compare. Get over it.
See, that is what you Pro Alliance people keep doing...oh this disgusts me.
Not the gay, lesbian alliance...the whole thing here on how you are handling the debating.
You keep twisting, baiting, brow beating anyone who dares debating against your homosexual rights.
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Actually, it compares perfectly. Cindy claims that since there is no homosexual gene, that it must be a choice. Based on her logic, since there is no autism gene, then that too must be a choice.

I'll pardon your poor grammar, and will assume that it is just a part of your lifestyle choice to be poorly educated.

“Dont judge me.”

Since: Dec 07

New Port Richey, FL

#236 Jan 24, 2009
I was the president of my school Gay, Straight Alliance. I founded the club my freshman year(9th grade) and it wasnt allowed until my sophmore(10th grade) year because the school was fighting against it. It took 2,000 signitures from th student body to allow it to happen and once it was started there was no "Gay agenda" alot of the time we talked about discrimination of ALL kinds and just had fun playing games, having debates, and just being teens. I organized an assembly my junior year (11th grade)to talk about HIV/AIDS/STD protection, the whole club, which was about 300 students, all went down to the Health Department and got tested. We even worked together with the Christians In Action club that was at my school to raise money for both our clubs. It was a great club and I'm quite proud of the advances I made in my school with it.

Since: Sep 08

Junction, TX

#237 Jan 24, 2009
For the record wrote:
Ok, for the record, I am against this.
NOT because I dont like Gays, Lesbians, etc.
I have my various reasons that I am not going to make a big fuss over.
My main complaint here is all the constant bickering back and forth.
It seems to be that the ones for the alliance is more obnoxious than the ones that are against the alliance.
We are all adults. I think. So lets act like it and debate intelligentley.
Get it through your thick skulls.......
Just because we do not agree with this alliance, does not mean we are bigots, racists, rednecks, and the list goes on and on.......
If you dont want to be judged, then dont judge me. You dont know me at all.
I see several you on here just brow beating each other, especially the "Pro Alliance" followers.
I also do not believe you are born gay.
Yes, I have read all or most of the posts stating your "excuses" and reasoning behind why you think you and others are born that way.
I am not a big Christian going person. I do not attend Church. That dont mean I am a sinner nor a saint.
I just dont feel I need to go to Church to believe in God. I do believe in God and have morals and values.
I believe we are all sinners in some why at one time or another in our lives. No one is perfect.
I am sick of hearing the Pro Alliance people here trying to compare apples to oranges.
Whatever happens, happens.
My kids will not be part of it unless they tell me they want to be.
Just like religion, code of conduct, dress codes, education, each of these have a place. If religion cant be pursude in school, why this alliance?
I am also tired of hearing that its not about sex.
I understand that. I dont think this is going to be some kind of love fest, orgie, or recruitment.
Thats not the point.
Now I am sure you Pro Alliance folks will try picking me apart just as you have done to the rest of the Anti Alliance people here.
That is your choice, but not everyone agrees with you. We can agree to disagree.
Houston

Houston, TX

#238 Jan 24, 2009
The point that I stated earlier has been proven over and over again.

The root of this issue does not lie with the schools lack of action...it lies with parents who set a poor example. By the time the kids get to high school their morals and ethics have been set firmly in place by past life experiences. If parents have not taught children tolerance and respect the school isn't going to be able to enforce it. That's just common sense. Don't give me this crap about allowing the club is just one step above doing nothing. How about parents do something to prevent this problem in the first place? It is NOT the school's responsibility to install a moral compass in a child. It is a PARENT'S!

It simply doesn't matter if you think that sexuality has no place in school because it IS an issue in schools. Just look at all the pregnant girls walking around. If you think your child doesn't come face to face with heterosexuality and homosexuality everyday, even multiple times a day, you are delusional. Unless you live in Mayberry your kid probably is more versed in sexual lingo than you are.

Take it from me, I am a high school teacher. The things I hear would make your ears bleed and your stomach turn. And yes, YOUR child is participating. Keep denying it if you'd like but your kid isn't any better or different than anyone else...gay or straight.

In other words....bigots get over yourselves. You've got your own garden that needs tending.
For the record

Atlantic City, NJ

#239 Jan 24, 2009
See there you (Pro Alliance people) go again with the name calling.
See you think thats kids cant decide for themselves...you claim that all kids are tainted by their parents views by the time they reach a certain age. Yes, some happens that way, but do not assume all kids are tainted by their parents views.
I understand all too well that kids/teens think about sex and have sex. I was a teen once and have 2 teen sons, so dont preach to me.
Both my sons are good teens. My oldest teen son, age 19 started having sex with his girlfriend. How do I know this you may ask?? I have a great and open relationship with my sons to where I can talk to them on their level, give them advice, and be there for them no matter what.
So, NO, I am not delusional.
So in other words TEACHER TEACHER, get over yourself!
So you can call me a bigot just because I dont agree with what you believe? Gimme a break.
Just because you're a teacher, does not mean you're perfect and above anyone regardless of their views.
Do you know how many times my kids and their friends (girls and guys) have told me how much teachers are part of the problem now days????? Teachers trying to preach their point of views to the kids, flirting with the kids, incinuating sexual inuendos to the kids....oh dont even get me started...I will shut up for now.
So get off your high horse Mr or Ms Teacher!
You have no right telling me or anyone else who did not agree with your views that we are bigots!
Houston wrote:
The point that I stated earlier has been proven over and over again.
The root of this issue does not lie with the schools lack of action...it lies with parents who set a poor example. By the time the kids get to high school their morals and ethics have been set firmly in place by past life experiences. If parents have not taught children tolerance and respect the school isn't going to be able to enforce it. That's just common sense. Don't give me this **** about allowing the club is just one step above doing nothing. How about parents do something to prevent this problem in the first place? It is NOT the school's responsibility to install a moral compass in a child. It is a PARENT'S!
It simply doesn't matter if you think that sexuality has no place in school because it IS an issue in schools. Just look at all the pregnant girls walking around. If you think your child doesn't come face to face with heterosexuality and homosexuality everyday, even multiple times a day, you are delusional. Unless you live in Mayberry your kid probably is more versed in sexual lingo than you are.
Take it from me, I am a high school teacher. The things I hear would make your ears bleed and your stomach turn. And yes, YOUR child is participating. Keep denying it if you'd like but your kid isn't any better or different than anyone else...gay or straight.
In other words....bigots get over yourselves. You've got your own garden that needs tending.
For the record

Atlantic City, NJ

#240 Jan 24, 2009
Thank you :)
Arin wrote:
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That is your choice, but not everyone agrees with you. We can agree to disagree.
For the record

Atlantic City, NJ

#241 Jan 24, 2009
Poorly educated??? Wow! The grammar is not bad. May be not perfect like YOU!! But surely not uneducated/poor grammar.
i gess uva hed u self a good edgecation uh? good fur u. ma n pa muss b soooo proud
fulmmoney wrote:
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Actually, it compares perfectly. Cindy claims that since there is no homosexual gene, that it must be a choice. Based on her logic, since there is no autism gene, then that too must be a choice.
I'll pardon your poor grammar, and will assume that it is just a part of your lifestyle choice to be poorly educated.
got the scoop

Hanover, PA

#242 Jan 24, 2009
Sandy wrote:
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You missed the whole point, as Christians we are to follow the teachings of Christ, when Christ came things that were before changed, such as multiple marriage and dietary laws. If we are going to go by the old testiment which you quoted we should be allowed to have slaves and make sacrifices, you can't pick and choose what you will obey IF you follow the old testiment. Christians were called Christians because unlike the Jews who followed the old testiment they followed a new path, if they hadn't there would be no Christians.
I am not Pro gay but I try to follow the teachings of Jesus, separation of Church and state and believe in protection of the rights of the minority. If we use religion to set societal laws what happens when our beliefs are in the minority? and Christians don't even agree, which values do we use? Catholic, Baptists, Amish, Mormon?
I believe you have selective reading. I listed 5 sets of scripture passages, and 3 out of the 5 are from the New Testament. You accused me of following the Old Testament. So as you can see, you misrepresented what I said.
I follow the ENTIRE bible. Not just part of it. The Old and New never, ever contradict each other. And they both speak out against homosexuality.
got the scoop

Hanover, PA

#243 Jan 24, 2009
For the record wrote:
Poorly educated??? Wow! The grammar is not bad. May be not perfect like YOU!! But surely not uneducated/poor grammar.
i gess uva hed u self a good edgecation uh? good fur u. ma n pa muss b soooo proud
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Childish !

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#244 Jan 25, 2009
gunboat wrote:
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thee's no reason to consider prayer and Bible reading in schools harmful, but according to the ACLU it is. I guess , as usual, these people want to pick and choose what they want to be justified.
In other words, if they want it, it's great, if they feel threatened, keep it out.
Of course there is a reason to consider prayer and bible reading in public schools harmful! Separation of church and state, mon frere. If you want your kids to be reading the bible in school, enroll them at Shalom or CVCS. There's no place for religion in the classroom unless it's a comparative religions or philosophy class where you'll cover OTHER ways of thinking as well. Otherwise, it should (and is) confined to after school clubs.
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#245 Jan 25, 2009
I dont think the Bible should be in school either because you cant teach all the religions and various reasons.
However, this Gay-Straight Alliance does not belong in school either.
Sick-Tired wrote:
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Of course there is a reason to consider prayer and bible reading in public schools harmful! Separation of church and state, mon frere. If you want your kids to be reading the bible in school, enroll them at Shalom or CVCS. There's no place for religion in the classroom unless it's a comparative religions or philosophy class where you'll cover OTHER ways of thinking as well. Otherwise, it should (and is) confined to after school clubs.
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#246 Jan 25, 2009
So heres my questions with it being in school:
1. If its during school hours, then that takes away from the ciriculum the kids are already taking.
2. If its after school hours, that means lights, electricity, manpower by the school and possibly more tax dollars???(I dont know, thats why I'm asking)
3. Who would be in charge? Teachers? Students? Parents? Principal? The janitor LOL ???
4. Regardless whether its during school hours or after, would parents be invited? If not, why???
5. Would there have to be permission slips by the parents?(Which the kids could easily fake the signatures of parents)
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#247 Jan 25, 2009
One more question I just thought of:
6. Since you have to be passing to participate in sports or other clubs, activities, would it be that the kids would have to be passing to be able to participate in the Alliance?
(My opinion is that if you have to be passing for others, you should have to for this)
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#248 Jan 25, 2009
I wouldnt say its childish since fullmoney or whatever the name was, was the original person who posted a very derogative comment in the first place. Here is what was said by fullmoney>>>(I'll pardon your poor grammar, and will assume that it is just a part of your lifestyle choice to be poorly educated.
So it is childish for us all to keep going back and forth including me.
I am getting tired of hearing all the ones who are for this alliance to keep being the most hateful posters. Yes not so good stuff from both sides at times, but main culprits of the most hateful name calling, etc. is the ones for the alliance.
Every time someone posts something the alliance ppl are all over them.
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got the scoop wrote:
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Childish !
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#249 Jan 25, 2009
I think that instead of hurling negative things back and forth and hearing 1000 different points of views and opinions, how about getting actual questions answered???
I posted a few questions and I hope they can be answered.
I think its a shame that it will more than likely get approved because the school district will be fearful of a law suit????!!!???
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#250 Jan 25, 2009
Will this be like a moderated classroom with guidelines, or like a social meeting?

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#251 Jan 25, 2009
Erika, you are obviously IGNORANT. The federal courts have already rules on this issue a long time ago.

Under federal law, it is ILLEGAL to bar a Gay-Straight Alliance Club if other clubs are allowed.

That's FEDERAL LAW !

You can b & moan all you like. But that is the LAW.

Deal with it.
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#252 Jan 25, 2009
Who the he11 is moaning? I already said it would probably get approved!
You pro alliance ppl sure have ba11s. Instead of helping to answer some legitimated questions I have, you "attack" verbally.
Daniel P from Long Island wrote:
Erika, you are obviously IGNORANT. The federal courts have already rules on this issue a long time ago.
Under federal law, it is ILLEGAL to bar a Gay-Straight Alliance Club if other clubs are allowed.
That's FEDERAL LAW !
You can b & moan all you like. But that is the LAW.
Deal with it.
Erika

Atlantic City, NJ

#253 Jan 25, 2009
I guess its pretty pointless to expect anything more out of the pro-gay alliance ppl.
You keep bickering and attacking back and forth and dont bother to offer anything more than
than crying about your rights,
federal law,
your agenda,
attack verbally
Everything you can to try to p1ss off ppl that are asking legitimate questions and trying to understand everyones views.
Believe me, I could hurl a whole lot of things back at you all, but I am not wasting any more of my time on you all.

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#254 Jan 25, 2009
Erika wrote:
I guess its pretty pointless to expect anything more out of the pro-gay alliance ppl.
You keep bickering and attacking back and forth and dont bother to offer anything more than
than crying about your rights,
federal law,
your agenda,
attack verbally
Everything you can to try to p1ss off ppl that are asking legitimate questions and trying to understand everyones views.
Believe me, I could hurl a whole lot of things back at you all, but I am not wasting any more of my time on you all.
Good !

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