Another dead transgender in televisio...

Another dead transgender in television drama

There are 20 comments on the Daily Kos story from Jul 16, 2013, titled Another dead transgender in television drama. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

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Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#1 Jul 17, 2013
Yeah well, it's always been that way and it isn't going to change anytime soon. Our best chances are with making our images as good as possible. Stop being that girl running through the park.
regards, Terri
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#2 Jul 17, 2013
Jeez. Some people just refuse to accept that most people don't care about mixed up sexuality.

Political weasels use it as a wedge issue. That's the only reason that anyone gives it a second thought.

If we're talking about someone who was born with the body parts of both sexes, that is a small tragedy of nature, probably not life threatening and probably somewhat correctable with surgery and hormone treatments.

If it is a nutjob who chooses a lifetime of screwing up roles to play in our culture and mangling their bodies, trying to create the illusion of predestination, it's a pathetic puppet of politics.

I've really heard enough from both sides of politics. You've got in-your-face propaganda and stealth propaganda. It all comes down to one simple thing.

Do you engage in sex for pleasure, or do you live according to taboos imposed on you? Everything else is BS because your life is never a choreographed masculine or feminine role. Allow yourself to be interrogated in some star chamber and you're probably just another dumb fish looking to steal the bait because you can't find nuttin' nowhere else you look.

Personally, I think anyone who sets themselves up to run on the mouse cage wheel is asking to be brainwashed, but there is the politics to address so I guess the dialog must continue for weak-willed couch potatoes. Can't find nuttin'? Don't talk about running through parks because you're not going to find sumthin' in there!

So... what's the message here? Or is this just another case of 15 minutes of fame, jabbering about "the gay experience"? Are you here looking to get chased through a park? If so, you're not worth the 15 minutes of attention.

Carry on!

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#3 Jul 17, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Yeah well, it's always been that way and it isn't going to change anytime soon. Our best chances are with making our images as good as possible. Stop being that girl running through the park.
regards, Terri
above is yet another example of our earlier discussion.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#4 Jul 17, 2013
When will they ever learn! Repeat after me, Gays are not Transexual! And Transexuals are not Gay! We don't even like each other.
The point we don't like is the way TSes wind up dead all the time. It's a bad image and certainly not true. Go to Lynnconway.com then scroll down to Transexual Women's Successes For a look at some girls who aren't dead or being chased through the park. It will amaze you! Transexual Pilots, Doctors, Lawyers, money fund managers, real estate developers, Police, College professors, engineers. Scientists, lotsa I T people. Hardly the losers of the world! Lynn Herself wrote the book that colleges use to teach computer technology. I was formerly working with Dr Christine McGinn, who was a navy Flight Surgeon and later NASA surgeon for emergency cases on the space station. But yet, with movies like this, we still have a image problem and probably will have for some time.
Regards, Terri

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#5 Jul 17, 2013
Hi Anna, Yes it is! I think that we should hire a Madison Ave Ad agency for an image remake and break this "Transgendered people always wind up dead" View of the situation.
Regards, Terri
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text>above is yet another example of our earlier discussion.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#6 Jul 18, 2013
TerryE wrote:
When will they ever learn! Repeat after me, Gays are not Transexual! And Transexuals are not Gay! We don't even like each other.
The point we don't like is the way TSes wind up dead all the time. It's a bad image and certainly not true. Go to Lynnconway.com then scroll down to Transexual Women's Successes For a look at some girls who aren't dead or being chased through the park. It will amaze you! Transexual Pilots, Doctors, Lawyers, money fund managers, real estate developers, Police, College professors, engineers. Scientists, lotsa I T people. Hardly the losers of the world! Lynn Herself wrote the book that colleges use to teach computer technology. I was formerly working with Dr Christine McGinn, who was a navy Flight Surgeon and later NASA surgeon for emergency cases on the space station. But yet, with movies like this, we still have a image problem and probably will have for some time.
Regards, Terri
Define "transsexual". Don't talk about "them" and don't talk about an anecdotal parade of successful people.

As I see it, the conventional wisdom is that a transsexual is someone who has a sex change operation because they've rejected their biological gender perspective. That's quite close to "gay" from where I stand, and the rhetorical nonsense that follows is just as irrelevant to any thriving culture.

If there's an image problem, it's because the "image" is largely a deception designed to sexually intrude in the lives of heterosexuals who don't want to be tricked into an awkward confrontation because you think you can override your biology with a knife and hormone treatments.

At least half of those heterosexuals who find themselves facing those confrontations are males whose traditional roles favor hostility in the face of confrontation and the way I see it, you're just the same old cr@p coming from liberals who are nothing more than political opportunists applying their Socialist, litmus-test, inquisitions at the expense of others.

You're both feet in the middle of a political conflict and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you're being chased through parks. You're playing the professional victim for an ambitious political party and you have it coming to you for stalking others using a deceptive physical appearance.

You want a debate? Prove that you're psychologically of the wrong gender. You can't surgically remove your Adam's apple or pelvic structure anymore than you can remove the pathways of your brain. Like the ordinary gay, the real debate is about whether or not you're coping with who you really are and what what is within your capability to change in the world you live in.

Don't tell us your sob stories.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#7 Jul 18, 2013
Normaly, I wouldn't bother replying to this, but this is so extreme it's got to be answered. As you see it, You're wrong!!!
I am a political Conservative! I'm not carrying anyone's water but my own. You're right that a lot are left wing. However, considering the treatment that we receive at the hands of the Republican party, it takes a lot of rationalizing for me to stay with the Republicans in spite of it. You and I are probably on the same page on most issues except this one. The difference is I am one! A Transexual! Preop. Transexual is a diagnosis. Transgender is a umbrella term that includes all trans or Cross gender behavior. I was born and acting out, as it were, before Dr Harry Benjamin coined the term. When I thought I was the only one alive.
Jesus referred to us as "Eunuchs". In Matthew 19:12 he described as as the third type of eunuch, those who make themselves eunuchs. In India, There are eunuchs still today and guess what, They act like women, they dress as women, they speak as women, They take women's names, They are for all intents and purposes, women. They are called Hijira (google) and they've been around since before the time of Christ. They are India's Transexuals! In Thailand it's Kathoey. In Samoa, It's FaFafini. In America indians, its Berdache. All manifestations of the same Human characteristic of Cross-sex or Trans-Gender. It's pretty Rare. only about 1% of the population suffers from it. Gays are about 10 %. Google the following;
Hijira Lynnconway.com Donnarose.com Susan' sPlace.com
Captain Jan Hamilton. AskDrBecky
Regards, Terri
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Define "transsexual". Don't talk about "them" and don't talk about an anecdotal parade of successful people.
As I see it, the conventional wisdom is that a transsexual is someone who has a sex change operation because they've rejected their biological gender perspective. That's quite close to "gay" from where I stand, and the rhetorical nonsense that follows is just as irrelevant to any thriving culture.
If there's an image problem, it's because the "image" is largely a deception designed to sexually intrude in the lives of heterosexuals who don't want to be tricked into an awkward confrontation because you think you can override your biology with a knife and hormone treatments.
At least half of those heterosexuals who find themselves facing those confrontations are males whose traditional roles favor hostility in the face of confrontation and the way I see it, you're just the same old cr@p coming from liberals who are nothing more than political opportunists applying their Socialist, litmus-test, inquisitions at the expense of others.
You're both feet in the middle of a political conflict and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that you're being chased through parks. You're playing the professional victim for an ambitious political party and you have it coming to you for stalking others using a deceptive physical appearance.
You want a debate? Prove that you're psychologically of the wrong gender. You can't surgically remove your Adam's apple or pelvic structure anymore than you can remove the pathways of your brain. Like the ordinary gay, the real debate is about whether or not you're coping with who you really are and what what is within your capability to change in the world you live in.
Don't tell us your sob stories.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#8 Jul 18, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Define "transsexual".
In more recent years, a plethora of researchers have given credence to the remark-able insight of these early researchers by providing both empirical and anecdotal proof of the biological intersex nature of transsexualism. Their findings have since been used to inform the common law of Australia. Professor Louis Gooren, an endocrinologist and Chair of the only Faculty of Trans-sexualism in the world, a part of the Free University of Amsterdam and its teaching hospital, presented the Closing Speech at the Council of Europe’s 23rd Colloquy on European Law in 1993.20 Explaining the complex process by which a developing foetus becomes either male or female. Professor Gooren said:

Except for the chromosomes, there is no distinguishable difference be-tween a future boy and a girl in the first 6 weeks of development. After the first 6 weeks, the indifferent gonad becomes a testis in the case of a 46, XY pattern, and an ovary in case of a 46, XX pattern. All the follow-ing steps in the differentiation process are dependent on the hormones produced by the testis before birth. The next step in the differentiation process is that of the formation of the internal genitalia. These are com-pletely identical ducts in boys and girls. In the presence of testicular hor-mones produced by the boy foetus, one pair of ducts will become prostate and deferential duct, while the other pair goes into regression. In a girl foetus, the development is the contrary: there are no testicular hormones, so one pair does not develop; the other pair becomes the uterus and ovi-ducts. A couple of weeks later, the external genitalia develop from a common principle. In the presence of testosterone, as is normal in a boy, the external genitalia become a penis and a scrotum. In girls there is no testosterone around, and the external genitalia develop into a vulva and vagina.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#9 Jul 18, 2013
Professor Gooren then discussed some of the ways in which the sexual differentia-tion process may not proceed according to expectations, resulting in (intersex) infants with atypical genitalia and/or karyotypes. Turning to the predicament of transsexualism, he said:

It has always been assumed that the sexual differentiation was completed with the formation of the external genitalia. But it is NOT. Since the be-ginning of this century we have known that the brain, too, undergoes a sexual differentiation... It is likely from the available evidence that in transsexuals the pattern of sexual differentiation of the brain has not fol-lowed the pattern typical of that sex: in other words, the nature of the chromosomes, the gonadal and genital development are in contradiction with the brain sex; at least with the sexual self-image of which we assume the substrate to be in the brain... For all these people who have had the misfortune to incur a sex error of the body in their development, solutions have to be found... experience teaches that being intersex makes a person subject to social abuse; such a person becomes a freak. The only option is a rehabilitation to one sex or the other. Rehabilitation does not pretend to be a cure. It is exactly what the word says: rehabilitation makes the best of a condition that cannot be corrected essentially and fundamentally... Sex reassignment of transsexuals is a medical intervention on a sliding scale. It is not essentially different from procedures in other sex errors of the body. The same interventions including genital surgery are done in other cases of sex errors of the body. This brings me to the issue raised in some of the legal material I have been reading in this context: Can it really be done: Sex reassignment in transsexuals? In other words: is the femini-sation of the body by hormones and the construction of a neo-vagina, a true authentic sex change or is it a construct, an artefact, a modification only of the body? My answer would be that it is as much a sex change as it is in other cases of intersex. Many of the intersex cases will have con-tradictions between the variables, the criteria of sex ... There can be no psychomedical ground not to treat these people respect-fully; we must provide them with reassignment treatment which meets their needs. In the cases of intersex, and this is particularly true of trans-sexualism, medical treatment does not bring resurrection from one's ashes; it is not a cure. It is not a completely new start; it is a rehabilitation proc-ess. We must accept the given fact of sex errors of the body and continue from there. We must create the conditions for successful rehabilitation to the male or female sex as much in cases of transsexualism as in other cases of intersex subject.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#10 Jul 18, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Define "transsexual".
Professor Milton Diamond, Director of the John A Burns School of Medicine, University of Hawaii, has probably done more to research the intricacies of sexual formation and identity than any other single person.
“Transsexuals, who I believe are intersexed, have the body and genitals of one sex and the brain of the other making reconciliation of their sexual and gender identities problematic.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#11 Jul 18, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Normaly, I wouldn't bother replying to this, but this is so extreme it's got to be answered. As you see it, You're wrong!!!
I am a political Conservative! I'm not carrying anyone's water but my own. You're right that a lot are left wing. However, considering the treatment that we receive at the hands of the Republican party, it takes a lot of rationalizing for me to stay with the Republicans in spite of it. You and I are probably on the same page on most issues except this one. The difference is I am one! A Transexual! Preop. Transexual is a diagnosis. Transgender is a umbrella term that includes all trans or Cross gender behavior. I was born and acting out, as it were, before Dr Harry Benjamin coined the term. When I thought I was the only one alive.
Jesus referred to us as "Eunuchs". In Matthew 19:12 he described as as the third type of eunuch, those who make themselves eunuchs. In India, There are eunuchs still today and guess what, They act like women, they dress as women, they speak as women, They take women's names, They are for all intents and purposes, women. They are called Hijira (google) and they've been around since before the time of Christ. They are India's Transexuals! In Thailand it's Kathoey. In Samoa, It's FaFafini. In America indians, its Berdache. All manifestations of the same Human characteristic of Cross-sex or Trans-Gender. It's pretty Rare. only about 1% of the population suffers from it. Gays are about 10 %. Google the following;
Hijira Lynnconway.com Donnarose.com Susan' sPlace.com
Captain Jan Hamilton. AskDrBecky
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
No, gays represent about .3 to 3 percent of the population according to more centrist estimates. There are levels of fluctuation in statistics but you'll rarely see a higher number than 5 percent except in very biased publications.

I don't bother to quote sources because some people think that if you bat your eye lashes, you're a latent homosexual.

You just don't want see the political litmus test but you are obviously willing to exploit the rhetoric. Republicans are harsher, but it's all about their Christian politics. When it comes down to it, as I've stated many times, life is not a choreographed role. You can be a he-man football fan and still be thought of as a knuckle-headed bonobo fencing with the guys because.... well, I'd say it's because you're subservient to the wifey and need to compensate.

Anyway, the point isn't about your politics. It just annoys many people more to deal with alternative lifestyles because of the politics. It's about whether or not you approach people without letting them know up front what you really are. THAT is what gets people beat up in parks. If you want to play with the bad boys, you'll eventually get have to deal with the bad.

Straights are simple. Women know they can't get a Kennedy so they'll negotiate with the well-off middle aged business man. If he won't play, they'll try the repo man. After that, they choose alternative lifestyles or they just become sullen spinsters. But they rarely go for anyone who doesn't have money. Women either take a chance on an unproven college doofus or shack up with the bully and tease him for table scraps, and keep him in enough fights to keep them looking the other way. Guys just get used to being alone if they don't have cash or the will to be a predator.

I'm thinking that your average transexual gets chewed up and spat out by socially ambitious straights in all political circles. They then choose to stalk nice people and nice people stop being nice. Getting chased through the park is just a predestined drama that can be avoided by anyone who isn't out to change people, and lifestyle choice has little to do with it.

Personally, I also think that the current trendy fashion claim that homosexuality is biological is BS. That's another debate.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#12 Jul 18, 2013
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text>
In more recent years, a plethora of researchers have given credence to the remark-able insight of these early researchers by providing both empirical and anecdotal proof of the biological intersex nature of transsexualism. Their findings have since been used to inform the common law of Australia. Professor Louis Gooren, an endocrinologist and Chair of the only Faculty of Trans-sexualism in the world, a part of the Free University of Amsterdam and its teaching hospital, presented the Closing Speech at the Council of Europe’s 23rd Colloquy on European Law in 1993.20 Explaining the complex process by which a developing foetus becomes either male or female. Professor Gooren said:
Except for the chromosomes, there is no distinguishable difference be-tween a future boy and a girl in the first 6 weeks of development. After the first 6 weeks, the indifferent gonad becomes a testis in the case of a 46, XY pattern, and an ovary in case of a 46, XX pattern. All the follow-ing steps in the differentiation process are dependent on the hormones produced by the testis before birth. The next step in the differentiation process is that of the formation of the internal genitalia. These are com-pletely identical ducts in boys and girls. In the presence of testicular hor-mones produced by the boy foetus, one pair of ducts will become prostate and deferential duct, while the other pair goes into regression. In a girl foetus, the development is the contrary: there are no testicular hormones, so one pair does not develop; the other pair becomes the uterus and ovi-ducts. A couple of weeks later, the external genitalia develop from a common principle. In the presence of testosterone, as is normal in a boy, the external genitalia become a penis and a scrotum. In girls there is no testosterone around, and the external genitalia develop into a vulva and vagina.
Sounds like a bunch of snooty liberal professors to me!

I've already asked, are we talking about the biologically deformed or the deliberately disfigured? Describing the process of fetal development isn't describing a behavior.

For those who were born with mixed parts, reasonable medical efforts to choose one over the other is a kind thing to do, but does little to allow an individual to take on a traditional role of breeding offspring.

Such individuals should make their biology known before allowing anyone to be embarrassed while making advances. No, it's no fun to share such personal things, but that's a choice a person needs to make when one presents oneself as a person who is apparently trying to attract sexual attention. Even married women are expected to show a wedding band and it is still considered inappropriate for a married woman to dress as if they are displaying the goods!

Men? Well, I still think that physical attraction is far less important than money or bullying value so that's a non-issue. Most women would be annoyed to find out that the guy they were flirting with was not a guy, but they wouldn't beat anyone up in a park over it.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#13 Jul 18, 2013
“Actually from my own clinical experiences, my own experimental research, and from the findings of others I conclude that transsexuality is a form of intersexuality…. I believe that transsexuals are intersexed in their brains as others are or might be more obviously so in their gonads, genitals, hormonal character, receptors, enzymatic or chromosomal constitution. And it is this brain intersexuality that biases the person to assert his or her gender identity.”
Dr. Diamond’s full article here: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like a bunch of snooty liberal professors to me!
You ask for a definition so I provided you one from a couple of the most experienced researchers in this field
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already asked, are we talking about the biologically deformed or the deliberately disfigured? Describing the process of fetal development isn't describing a behavior.
fetal development is of vital importance in this issue as the professionals in this field believe that transsexual people are born with a forum of intersex where it manifests itself in the brain development while in the womb.
Here is an informative article which gives insight into some of the new discoveries and complexities we are learning about when it comes to development of the fetus.
http://www.learner.org/courses/biology/units/...
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
For those who were born with mixed parts, reasonable medical efforts to choose one over the other is a kind thing to do, but does little to allow an individual to take on a traditional role of breeding offspring.
many intersex people are happy the way they are and require no medical intervention. To perform unnecessary surgery on intersex individuals simply so they will conform to another’s expectation is abuse.
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Such individuals should make their biology known before allowing anyone to be embarrassed while making advances.
I strongly disagree in that many advances are unwanted and there is no reason for a person to disclose their intersex status unless there is a chance that the encounter may develop past advances.
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's no fun to share such personal things, but that's a choice a person needs to make when one presents oneself as a person who is apparently trying to attract sexual attention.
if one is trying to attract sexual attention with the intent of intimate sexual contact, then yes.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#14 Jul 18, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Even married women are expected to show a wedding band and it is still considered inappropriate for a married woman to dress as if they are displaying the goods!
this is a different issue but a fact of life.
For most of us, an affair is the sign of a relationship that's faltering. But according to a new poll, a shocking one in three women say that having an extramarital fling can actually help keep their marriage alive.
Of those who do have affairs, 73 per cent said that they do because they feel neglected by their spouse or partner.
Among the women who said that neglect was the reason for their infidelity, many also cited not having their emotional needs met - a factor that played a significant role in their decision to find someone else.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-232...
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Men? Well, I still think that physical attraction is far less important than money or bullying value so that's a non-issue.
that is your opinion and other men have theirs.
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Most women would be annoyed to find out that the guy they were flirting with was not a guy, but they wouldn't beat anyone up in a park over it.
Again your personal opinion, others may differ.
As to parks, my only experience is taking children to the park to play. I would have no problem with a man, woman, intersex, or trans person, making advances towards me as I am secure in who I am and am free to choose whom I would date. As far as children being exposed to people different from myself, the world is full of differences and it is important that they learn this. It would be inappropriate for any person to be having sex in a public park, that I would object to.
How dry I am

Baltimore, MD

#15 Jul 18, 2013
Hic....up, don't worry about it, another one will come along shortly.
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#16 Jul 19, 2013
Annaleigh wrote:
“Actually from my own clinical experiences, my own experimental research, and from the findings of others I conclude that transsexuality is a form of intersexuality…. I believe that transsexuals are intersexed in their brains as others are or might be more obviously so in their gonads, genitals, hormonal character, receptors, enzymatic or chromosomal constitution. And it is this brain intersexuality that biases the person to assert his or her gender identity.”
Dr. Diamond’s full article here: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS
<quoted text>
You ask for a definition so I provided you one from a couple of the most experienced researchers in this field
<quoted text> fetal development is of vital importance in this issue as the professionals in this field believe that transsexual people are born with a forum of intersex where it manifests itself in the brain development while in the womb.
Here is an informative article which gives insight into some of the new discoveries and complexities we are learning about when it comes to development of the fetus.
http://www.learner.org/courses/biology/units/...
<quoted text> many intersex people are happy the way they are and require no medical intervention. To perform unnecessary surgery on intersex individuals simply so they will conform to another’s expectation is abuse.
<quoted text> I strongly disagree in that many advances are unwanted and there is no reason for a person to disclose their intersex status unless there is a chance that the encounter may develop past advances.
<quoted text> if one is trying to attract sexual attention with the intent of intimate sexual contact, then yes.
Do me a favor and don't parse my posts. I don't like it when your staging sound bites. I write my posts to present a full concept which sometimes cannot be fully addressed in single sentences.

And I have to say at this point, WHAT is intersexuality? You're not providing clarity. It sounds like pseudo-science and name dropping unknown scientists isn't helping.

Sorry, this is sounding like basic homosexuality with every post. Or maybe you don't debate homosexuality enough to realize that most gays see themselves as psychologically of the opposite gender.

Whether or not anyone sees his or herself in a specific gender role in a sexual relationship isn't important to me. Personally, I consider many perfectly heterosexual tribes to be prone to a considerably androgynous point of view. Vikings and some Native American tribes come to mind, along with some African tribe which I couldn't give you a proper name for.

The original question is still relevant. Do people who experiment with gender roles, whether or not they physically alter their bodies, engage in a form of deception by way of dress, makeup, and/or behavior, to engage in a form of stalking heterosexuals in an attempt to catch them off their guard and force an unwanted sexual encounter on them?

Such behavior is WRONG! People who do such things have no business claiming to be victims!
anonymous

Barberton, OH

#17 Jul 19, 2013
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text> this is a different issue but a fact of life.
For most of us, an affair is the sign of a relationship that's faltering. But according to a new poll, a shocking one in three women say that having an extramarital fling can actually help keep their marriage alive.
Of those who do have affairs, 73 per cent said that they do because they feel neglected by their spouse or partner.
Among the women who said that neglect was the reason for their infidelity, many also cited not having their emotional needs met - a factor that played a significant role in their decision to find someone else.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-232...
<quoted text> that is your opinion and other men have theirs.
<quoted text> Again your personal opinion, others may differ.
As to parks, my only experience is taking children to the park to play. I would have no problem with a man, woman, intersex, or trans person, making advances towards me as I am secure in who I am and am free to choose whom I would date. As far as children being exposed to people different from myself, the world is full of differences and it is important that they learn this. It would be inappropriate for any person to be having sex in a public park, that I would object to.
OK then! What you're saying is that you don't observe traditional rules for fidelity.....and you are assuming that because statistically, the numbers of heterosexuals who do observe fidelity is dropping, you have every right to test the waters whenever and wherever you choose!

You clearly don't understand the importance of fidelity in maintaining civil order. Once again, I think getting chased through parks is predestined drama, and certainly not the kind of thing that anyone need worry about whether or not there's a victim involved. Nobody has a right to randomly attack a person, but people have a right, and in fact, are sometimes expected to resist a rapist.

You're not at all on solid ground with this.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#18 Jul 19, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Do me a favor and don't parse my posts. I don't like it when your staging sound bites. I write my posts to present a full concept which sometimes cannot be fully addressed in single sentences.
And I have to say at this point, WHAT is intersexuality? You're not providing clarity. It sounds like pseudo-science and name dropping unknown scientists isn't helping.
Sorry, this is sounding like basic homosexuality with every post. Or maybe you don't debate homosexuality enough to realize that most gays see themselves as psychologically of the opposite gender.
Whether or not anyone sees his or herself in a specific gender role in a sexual relationship isn't important to me. Personally, I consider many perfectly heterosexual tribes to be prone to a considerably androgynous point of view. Vikings and some Native American tribes come to mind, along with some African tribe which I couldn't give you a proper name for.
The original question is still relevant. Do people who experiment with gender roles, whether or not they physically alter their bodies, engage in a form of deception by way of dress, makeup, and/or behavior, to engage in a form of stalking heterosexuals in an attempt to catch them off their guard and force an unwanted sexual encounter on them?
Such behavior is WRONG! People who do such things have no business claiming to be victims!
Do gender and sexually compliant men and women, whether or not they physically alter their bodies, engage in a form of deception by way of dress, makeup, and/or behavior, to engage in a form of stalking homosapieans in an attempt to catch them off their guard and force an unwanted sexual encounter on them?

To help in your understanding, here is another example of the use of the term intersexual as used in the science field:
Proteomics Reveals Intersexual Differences in the Rat Brain Hippocampus
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar...

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#19 Jul 19, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
OK then! What you're saying is that you don't observe traditional rules for fidelity.....and you are assuming that because statistically, the numbers of heterosexuals who do observe fidelity is dropping, you have every right to test the waters whenever and wherever you choose!
You clearly don't understand the importance of fidelity in maintaining civil order. Once again, I think getting chased through parks is predestined drama, and certainly not the kind of thing that anyone need worry about whether or not there's a victim involved. Nobody has a right to randomly attack a person, but people have a right, and in fact, are sometimes expected to resist a rapist.
You're not at all on solid ground with this.
No you are conjecturing through assumption.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#20 Jul 19, 2013
A conjecture is a proposition for which someone assumed to be true. It may be a statement expressing prediction, a judgment, or an opinion based on observations or incomplete evidence

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