Teaching Gay History in California

[Brian_G]

Quest wrote:

I think you've finally lost your grip on reality. Unless you are kidding with this stuff? You can't be serious?

The consequences of same sex marriage on gender segregated institutions are serious! Maybe Quest doesn't care about about inpatient care and prison safety, but I do. More prisons, not same sex marriage.

[TomInElPaso]

Hey Brian, watch where you're buying your smoke, they're obviously lacing it with something.

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Brian_G wrote:

<quoted text>The consequences of same sex marriage on gender segregated institutions are serious! Maybe Quest doesn't care about about inpatient care and prison safety, but I do. More prisons, not same sex marriage.

[Vito]

Thank You Brenda! Good Post

Brenda Lee Johnson wrote:

No the numbers of Gays are not increasing among our youth but an attitude of indifference toward morality. Thus one of the reasons for Gay attacks on Christianity.
There are people who claim to have had sex with Gays for money but are not interested otherwise.
That is a break down in morality.That same break down pushes the acceptance of homosexuality. The worst enemy Gays have is mother nature and the science that points out that homosexuality is perversion, but as you can see science can be silenced by Christianity can not.
I doubt the number of Gays within any particular group of people has ever exceeded much more than 2-3% of the population, they are more visible because the population is growing
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[mammy yoknuf00]

Largelanguage wrote:

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And the evil gays have allowed homosexuals into the boy scouts! Numbers of homosexuals is increasing within our youth!

I done got my boys out that place and in the footballs place and then they is all for packin mud in the locker rooms over there and now they dress funny but got lots money with a beeny bit of makeup on. They dont like the ham but buy nice lunch when they visit. so what.

[mammy yoknuf00]

what about fat people and their right to have small stinky noisy demented nude dogs? This is a god given right and that is that. I dont care what you say and that is why I believe in the teabag party and always vote for them and their stuff as they dont know crap either and refuse to learn which is a strategic position but there are plenty of us and we all meet in church. woopee in the vestry no more but planning in the sacristy is on and you are off. Or something like that cant we all just get along with the korean mooslimms? Remeber that DC is full now of the Morons from Outer Space who have taken over so we have to go along or lose our pups.

[Brian_G]

TomInElPaso wrote:

Hey Brian, watch where you're buying your smoke, they're obviously lacing it with something.
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Tom isn't facing the argument, ad hominem isn't reason. Most same sex marriage supporters feel they are superior people to their political opponents and it fills them with hate, so they often insult. Don't take it personal, but call it when you see it.

[Brian_G]

Quest wrote:

I think you've finally lost your grip on reality. Unless you are kidding with this stuff? You can't be serious?

Same sex marriage supporters don't like to think about the consequences of their policy, they don't take tomorrow seriously. I ask Quest, what will be the probable affect of same sex marriage on gender segregated institutions, where unrelated adults are held in a communal living environment? We already have too much prison rape, will we get forced same sex marriage?

The consequences of same sex marriage would be serious to prisoners and the free, no kidding.

[Brian_G]

Largelanguage wrote:

And the judge even made a law that someone is allowed to rape their spouse.

Exactly, marriage isn't for everybody.

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Largelanguage wrote:

Many women like to sexually abuse husbands, so it would normally be the men that get the worst of it.

Well, I can certainly agree, same sex marriage would be bad for men and women too.

[Tony C]

Largelanguage wrote:

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Marriage certainly isn't for gays. I won't allow them in if they knock on my door pleading to be homeless!

Have you ever had a psych eval?

[Not Yet Equal]

Quest wrote:

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I think you've finally lost your grip on reality. Unless you are kidding with this stuff?
You can't be serious?

That's what I was thinking. Hard to imagine someone typing this stuff and not laughing at the same time.

[Not Yet Equal]

Marriage is a fundamental right of the individual, as affirmed 14 times by the Supreme Court.

Everyone qualifies for fundamental rights by virtue of being alive, though a fundamental right may be denied or delayed, but only if the government can demonstrate a compelling and legitimate governmental interest for doing so.

Procreation ability, intent, or even desire has never been a requirement, yet gay people do raise children both biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment provides nothing to opposite sex couples, while harming same sex couples needlessly.

Prejudice fails to qualify as a legitimate government interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment as required by the 5th and 14th amendments.

“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.” SCOTUS

[TomInElPaso]

Why bother to argue with a doorknob such as yourself.

You can't think yourself out of a game of Tic Tac Toe.

Largelanguage wrote:

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Tom has never once gave me proper argument! He doesn't say anything of any substance! It must suck for him!

[Brian_G]

Marriage isn't for everyone, you have no right to marriage if you can't find a qualified marriage partner. Any homosexual may marry under current rules; homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else. There is no orientation test for a marriage license.

You may not impose your new standard of gender segregated marriage on everyone to satiate sexual predilection.

[Alright now later guess]

mammy yoknuf00 wrote:

what about fat people and their right to have small stinky noisy demented nude dogs? This is a god given right and that is that. I dont care what you say and that is why I believe in the teabag party and always vote for them and their stuff as they dont know crap either and refuse to learn which is a strategic position but there are plenty of us and we all meet in church. woopee in the vestry no more but planning in the sacristy is on and you are off. Or something like that cant we all just get along with the korean mooslimms? Remeber that DC is full now of the Morons from Outer Space who have taken over so we have to go along or lose our pups.

Waddabout htese here Morons from space thing? Isa that true or just some kind of guess by them colleges? We blow so much studying crap that we could ought to be able to prove this here. Bless the parties, right on?!

[LaTrina Marin City]

Largelanguage wrote:

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You illegal nuts learn so much feminist induced nonsense in college yourself, how ironic.

That is true! If they take my check I will, get pissed. The reason god is mad at us is because we mess with the boss stars and take pictures when they is out and about, know what I maean? They own more stuff because they got more money and god gave them the money and we are twatts to want what they got because we are nt going to get it. THE TV woman said that the richest are the best because they got what god gives them and we get what is left as the laws of the jingle. NO TAXES on them, she said, NO annoyed them, she said. This has to be tried to get god off our backs as I cant take no more or pay for nothing to buy.

[Not Yet Equal]

Brian, your attempts at rationalization still fail to provide any justification for harming gay people through denial of a fundamental civil right.

Again, being human is all that is required for a fundamental right. While it may be restricted or delayed, the government must demonstrate a compelling and legitimate governmental interest for doing so. Your creative use of pejorative terminology and misrepresentation of the constitution fails to provide any.

Despite the escalation of pejorative terminology, coupled with a denial of relying on such emotionally loaded words and phrases, marriage equality does not impose same sex marriage on anyone. It expands freedom to more people. It does not restrict it. It does not change what marriage is for straight couples.

Segregation and apartheid are restrictions, imposed upon others against their will.

Expanding marriage to allow equal participation under the laws currently in effect, imposes no restrictions. It removes unnecessary, burdensome, and harmful, restrictions.

Again, the 14th amendment only recognized women were not counted as voters. That one mention of treating women differently but only when counting voters, was nullified by the 19th amendment, which gave women the right to vote. The 5th and 14th amendments require equal treatment for all persons. "All persons" specifically includes both men and women. This is gender equality, written in the constitution.

Same sex marriage does not take anything away from marriage. It adds same sex couples to the mix, providing more opportunities for children both biologically related and adopted. Gay people are not infertile.

Irrational fear mongering is still all you have to justify refusing to treat all persons equally as promised in the founding documents and required by the constitution. It would be funny, if it were not also stigmatizing, dehumanizing, insulting, and harmful, contributing to and maintaining a social hostility that continues to cause young people to kill themselves. The prejudice you promote, contributes to needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

It is time to overcome your irrational prejudice, stop spreading harm, and accept reality.

[Brenda Lee Johnson]

Who says it is a right? A twisted interpretation of the Constitution by radical homosexual activist?

Not Yet Equal wrote:

Brian, your attempts at rationalization still fail to provide any justification for harming gay people through denial of a fundamental civil right.
Again, being human is all that is required for a fundamental right. While it may be restricted or delayed, the government must demonstrate a compelling and legitimate governmental interest for doing so. Your creative use of pejorative terminology and misrepresentation of the constitution fails to provide any.
Despite the escalation of pejorative terminology, coupled with a denial of relying on such emotionally loaded words and phrases, marriage equality does not impose same sex marriage on anyone. It expands freedom to more people. It does not restrict it. It does not change what marriage is for straight couples.
Segregation and apartheid are restrictions, imposed upon others against their will.
Expanding marriage to allow equal participation under the laws currently in effect, imposes no restrictions. It removes unnecessary, burdensome, and harmful, restrictions.
Again, the 14th amendment only recognized women were not counted as voters. That one mention of treating women differently but only when counting voters, was nullified by the 19th amendment, which gave women the right to vote. The 5th and 14th amendments require equal treatment for all persons. "All persons" specifically includes both men and women. This is gender equality, written in the constitution.
Same sex marriage does not take anything away from marriage. It adds same sex couples to the mix, providing more opportunities for children both biologically related and adopted. Gay people are not infertile.
Irrational fear mongering is still all you have to justify refusing to treat all persons equally as promised in the founding documents and required by the constitution. It would be funny, if it were not also stigmatizing, dehumanizing, insulting, and harmful, contributing to and maintaining a social hostility that continues to cause young people to kill themselves. The prejudice you promote, contributes to needless suffering and death, here and around the world.
It is time to overcome your irrational prejudice, stop spreading harm, and accept reality.

[Brian_G]

They want to teach kids to love the superstar no matter the gender to increase revenue.

Greed drives same sex marriage.

[Not Yet Equal]

Irrational prejudice drives discrimination. Together, they cause needless suffering and death.

Not only does anti-gay discrimination and prejudice result in pressure to keep secrets and be dishonest, is causes needless stress resulting in emotional and physical harm.

"Prejudice and discrimination have social and personal impact." "The widespread prejudice, discrimination, and violence to which lesbians and gay men are often subjected are significant mental health concerns. Sexual prejudice, sexual orientation discrimination, and antigay violence are major sources of stress for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people. Although social support is crucial in coping with stress, antigay attitudes and discrimination may make it difficult for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people to find such support."

[Not Yet Equal]

The 14th amendment says no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The U.S. Supreme Court said: "The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

"Fourteen times the Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. This case tests the proposition whether the gay and lesbian Americans among us should be counted as ‘persons’ under the 14th Amendment, or whether they constitute a permanent underclass ineligible for protection under that cornerstone of our Constitution.”
Constitutional attorneys Theodore B. Olson and David Boies in their prop.8 filing: